Sachs DMF & Clutch

[Sharpyy]

The inevitable time has come where I have to change the dual mass flywheel, clutch and concentric slave cylinder. I think eBay will be the cheapest place, any other places anyone can recommend please?

Thanks in advance!

[tommccabevRS]

Euro Car parts and use the Brisk25 discount code for 25% off, I would personally go for a single mass conversion as there is a lot less chance of that failing again compared to the dual mass.

[Sharpyy]

Euro Car parts and use the Brisk25 discount code for 25% off, I would personally go for a single mass conversion as there is a lot less chance of that failing again compared to the dual mass.

I'll give that a try, thanks.

I did look into that but apparently it's hit & miss with the idle noise on a SMF.

[eric87]

i recently fitted the Valeo solid flywheel kit, it doesn't really chatter on idle. More when I'm slowing down in gear around 1000-1800rpm.

I got my concentric slave cylinder off carpartsforless. Ordered the cheaper Sachs but got sent the LUK which is more expensive so I didn't complain.

[hutchysrs50]

Single mass flywheels are ****e unless your chasing high end power. Anything under 200bhp, in my opinion is perfectly fine with a dmf.

[Sharpyy]

Single mass flywheels are ****e unless your chasing high end power. Anything under 200bhp, in my opinion is perfectly fine with a dmf.

I'm not chasing any high figures and staying OEM, it's not exactly slow with a good remap either!

i recently fitted the Valeo solid flywheel kit, it doesn't really chatter on idle. More when I'm slowing down in gear around 1000-1800rpm.

I got my concentric slave cylinder off carpartsforless. Ordered the cheaper Sachs but got sent the LUK which is more expensive so I didn't complain.

I'm just not sure I want any chatter at all, it's always been nice, smooth & quiet with the DMF I'll give carpartsforless a try, thanks!

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

Agree with hutchy, no need for a SMF sub 200bhp.

[TriggerFish]

These were the cheapest when I thought the clutch had gone on my BMW. About £150 for a clutch vs £270 (pre discount) from ECP.

Failing that, Car parts 4 less are a cheaper sister site of ECP.

Opps, forgot the link: http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/

Edited 14 May, 2013 by TriggerFish

[bluecar1]

darkside were not a bad price last year when I did swmbo's

getting it all out and stripped is easy, putting gearbox back was a bitch, that box is :bandit: heavy

drop the subframe to get more room, and possible do the console bushes at same time as they are virtually out when you do the box anyway

[kiddy1]

£350 all in from Sachs them selves.

[Sharpyy]

These were the cheapest when I thought the clutch had gone on my BMW. About £150 for a clutch vs £270 (pre discount) from ECP.

Failing that, Car parts 4 less are a cheaper sister site of ECP.

Opps, forgot the link: http://www.buypartsby.co.uk/

That sites really cheap but there's no mention of a make on there website so I'll give them a call later, thanks!

darkside were not a bad price last year when I did swmbo's

getting it all out and stripped is easy, putting gearbox back was a bitch, that box is :bandit: heavy

drop the subframe to get more room, and possible do the console bushes at same time as they are virtually out when you do the box anyway

I'm definitely not looking forward to lifting that ****** out that's for sure. They've already been done mate, thanks for the heads up on the sub frame though.

[TriggerFish]

Ah, fair enough. Fingers crossed it's a decent mak. !

Some parts they list makes for, but not others. Not sure if the unlisted ones are worse or something :S

[billy2981]

Dont get a smf mate.

Hope that link works.

Biggest mistake I made putting that kit on the car.

Plus side tho its bloody nice and strong. Bites like crok and never slips.

Just the sound from it is propper ****e even when driving

[Sharpyy]

Dont get a smf mate.

Hope that link works.

Biggest mistake I made putting that kit on the car.

Plus side tho its bloody nice and strong. Bites like crok and never slips.

Just the sound from it is propper ****e even when driving

That's what I was afraid of, what is it actually making the noise though. Surely can't be the flywheel hitting on the bell housing?

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

Shouldnt be making any noise when driving. Slow speed and idle it'll rattle a bit but shouldnt do at other times. I love mine, when your running 200+bhp its great, revs raise rapidly feels great! Unless your going that far though, nice dmf will keep it quiet and smooth.

[billy2981]

its only on tickover and slow speeds and when accelerating fairly hard to overtake but not thrashing it.

Love the feel of it don't get me wrong but OMG the noise is a PITA.

its something to do with the forks or something in the gearbox, according to CG motorsport who supplied the kit the transition always makes that noise just the DMF acts as a harmonic dampener.

god knows but I know Ill be swapping it for another kit in the future.

[billy2981]

ps it makes that sound soon as you hit the bite point on the clutch in gear or not. worse when in neutral

[eric87]

Mine only really does it in slow speeds, not so much on idle. but I do miss the smoothness of a dmf. If I could go back again I'd defo get a dmf just not worth the labour charges again.

midlands vw told me they wear the gearbox bearings out over a period of time so doesn't sound too good.

[billy2981]

My trusted mech said the dmf was made to actually protect the gearbox. It acts as a torque damper.

Really should of listened to them and not the clutch specialists.

Oh well

[XLBaconDoubleCheese]

Every now and then someone says that, but the amount of people running them I suspect there would be 'boxes going left right and centre. Yet to be shown much in the way of proof. I have a few mates running them, lots of miles done with them, no issues. It's down to what you want from the car, using it as a daily driver in traffic everyday then stick with the DMF and dont go mental with the power. Otherwise, DMF, wack the power and torque up and enjoy the ride lol.

[JoshH]

That's why you run a sprung clutch with an smf to try and save your transmission

Be interesting to meet some time Billy, compare your chatter to my lightweight Sachs one!

[billy2981]

Your a cardiff boy arnt ya?

Or close.

Could meet up mate. Would like anotger oppinion on it as its bloody horrid for noise but omg does it feel strong. Justtfor me the noise is more annoying than the benifits are good.

[JoshH]

Penarth mate!

Yeah any evening or weekend really dude mines bad. Lol

[Craig A Rodway]

My gearbox is away for repair at the moment, so I'm looking to replace the clutch & DMF while I can.

My question is... does anyone know what the difference is between the two Sachs clutches available from CP4L/ECP?

641441610 vs 641441900 - Sachs part numbers 3000950606 and 3000950702.

I can see the visible differences in the photos, but don't know what that means or which one will be better for my vRS Thanks.

[kiddy1]

My gearbox is away for repair at the moment, so I'm looking to replace the clutch & DMF while I can.

My question is... does anyone know what the difference is between the two Sachs clutches available from CP4L/ECP?

641441610 vs 641441900 - Sachs part numbers 3000950606 and 3000950702.

I can see the visible differences in the photos, but don't know what that means or which one will be better for my vRS Thanks.

One is actually an LUK unit, they are both manufactured by the same company I believe.