@ sadgit

I did vote with my feet in the end, and what would you be saying to me if a dealer any dealer suggested you'd altered the mileage,

Just pray you never need to call Skoda main office with a problem, I trust you've read about Justins experiences with his 1.8TSi, there was another user who bought one when they first launched and the alarm kept going off, after numerous visits to the dealer they failed to fix it and when he tried to get rid of it they offered him £14k for a car they'd sold him 6 mths beforehand for £21k,

MFD is not the way to calculate consumption, you need to brim test the tank using the same filling station and pump to be spot on accurate,

Technology has moved on and that's why the 16mpg in the omega is now about 20 in a 3.6 superb,

Anyway I must fly, I'm taking the old Camero up to Scotland today, should do it on £10 of petrol if I coast downhill on the way and simulate stop start

Wow! It would be great if supurbia used some decent punctuation in his rant, it was like reading a James Joyce paragraph:-) I have had a high of 690 Km from a tank and a low of 430 Km. The low is achieved around where I live which is hilly and usually involves short trips (less than 10 Km). The high was a country drive on good roads at a high average speed. It is about what you can expect from a normally aspirated V6 and I don't think anyone who considers such a car would be deluded by the sometimes fanciful figures some people quote. I think the quality control on Superbs is superior to VWs and some Audis because the Superb comes from one facility whereas your VW or Audi can come from one of over half a dozen factories in various countries. It is a shame that some dealers are not up to the same levels and spoil the customer's experience.

Sorry I'm not completely academic to your liking regarding spelling but I am good at mathmatics, lets just examin what you said,

Poorest MPG 430kms = roughly 270 miles

Superb has 60L tank = 13 gallons

13 into 270 is ..........20.7mpg, almost exactly what Skoda official figures show and absolutely nowhere near the 27mpg Sadgit is claiming and that's without considering where you live as that could be a small place with not much traffic,

Also if you are in Australia your car will warm up quicker than a UK model will due to ambient temps, this will also make the car more economic, if you read user comments the fuel on a UK car it always gets better when the good weather arrives,

Anyway whether you intended to justify me or not you have done so I must thank you on that cobber

Edited 22 June, 201313 yr by Supurbia

Hi Supubia

Yes 27 is possible, if you read when I drove through London, it was a Sunday morning, early, around 6am. Very little traffic and if you think ahead, you can get most lights on green. I think that my 27mpg was frankly crap in those conditions, should have been in the 30's but its not that kind of car.

All I am saying is drive sensibly around town and consumption is not that bad, yes if I drove my wife to the station in it every morning in it, instead of using her Fiat 500 then yes, those 4 mile trips would be in the teens, the car would not get up to optimum temp, but I don't and can only comment on what I KNOW and not on assumptions, unlike some

Yes the MFD is accurate on mine, well within 0.1-0.2, no I dont always use the same pump and who can guarantee you put the exact amount in every time you think its full, but I am happy with my method of measuring average consumption, shame it does not meet YOUR standards.

Have a safe trip, I am impressed by fuel figures for the Camero, would not challenge them, if you think something is right it must be right

No, you said your sortie through london was 12 miles and took 2.5 hours, that is 4mph most of the way,

C'mon man I never said you were a liar etc, I simply suggested you'd taken the MFD as gospel,

Regarding the Camero I've heard if you drain all the fluids it reduces drag so I might even make it on £8 worth

Enjoy your car

No, you said your sortie through london was 12 miles and took 2.5 hours, that is 4mph most of the way,

C'mon man I never said you were a liar etc, I simply suggested you'd taken the MFD as gospel,

Regarding the Camero I've heard if you drain all the fluids it reduces drag so I might even make it on £8 worth

Enjoy your car

Yes it was a crap journey, but when you sit on Putney Bridge for 50 mins, you switch off, turn up the radio and enjoy living in London

I do enjoy my car, thank you its not perfect but for the price I am happy.

But a bigger fuel tank would be nice

I'm not especially interested in this debate, but I AM a very competitive guy. So here goes:

:think: :wonder:

Anyway I must fly, I'm taking the old Camero up to Scotland today, should do it on £10 of petrol if I coast downhill on the way and simulate stop start

Since the only Camero I know of is an Australian-built ski-boat, I'm intrigued by the thought of you coasting downhill in it! - unless you're planning to go over a waterfall!

Be quite a thing to see a Camero in Scotland - a rare sight in the UK in fact. (unless of course you mean a Camaro, in which case I hope you live pretty near Gretna if you want to get to Scotland on a tenner!)

Since the only Camero I know of is an Australian-built ski-boat, I'm intrigued by the thought of you coasting downhill in it! - unless you're planning to go over a waterfall!

Be quite a thing to see a Camero in Scotland - a rare sight in the UK in fact. (unless of course you mean a Camaro, in which case I hope you live pretty near Gretna if you want to get to Scotland on a tenner!)

Ok call it a slip of the a's

I'm starting off at Lands End and I'm sure I'll do it on a tenner as I've had it modded with a Citizen Start unit, CSU are brill, you just turn the cd player up and it shouts out Oi mate gissa push will ya

Also if you are in Australia your car will warm up quicker than a UK model will due to ambient temps, this will also make the car more economic, if you read user comments the fuel on a UK car it always gets better when the good weather arrives,

Anyway whether you intended to justify me or not you have done so I must thank you on that cobber

Supurbia

You may not have noticed, but I did not specifically address you since you clearly do not have any direct personal knowledge of the issue being discussed and that was what the OP was requesting. But since you have so arrogantly decided to display your ignorance towards what I offered, I thought I might as well respond. Nothing better to do on this cold Sunday. Too damn cold for a spin on my Triumph.

You have no idea where I live in Australia or its climate, but you decide you know the driving conditions and my car's fuel consumption better than I do.

FYI, where I live is colder than London in winter in terms of min temps and some of the SW of the UK, where I have spent some time. During winter, temps overnight and into the early-mid morning in winter commonly range between -2 and -6 but can drop as low as -10. In summer it is hot and dry here. However, fuel consumption changes very little from summer to winter, unless you do short trips from cold, which generally I don't as my commute is usually about 20kms. My Octavia vRS got better economy on 98 in winter probably due to the more dense cold winter air. However, when it is quite hot, mid-to high 30s, economy drops off, probably due to the constant cycling of the aircon and the less dense, warmer charge air. Again, the change was larger on my vRS turbo. So my consumption pattern is the opposite of what you claim, varies little and it is winter now in Canberra. And no-one, including the highway patrol, would accuse me of driving slowly, I do have a bit of a lead foot and the tacho needle sees the upper end of the rev range reasonably regularly - I love that engine. My learner drive son does about 10-15% better than me on economy particularly on long trips because he has to drive so slowly.

Feel stupid for making ill-informed assumptions? You should.

And how would I know what my car's economy is? Well, I keep log books, I have a record of every fillup of my many cars dating back to the late 80s and I regularly check the actual fillup-based consumption. In fact, my friends laugh at my anal tendencies in this area. I have cross checked the MFD many times and it reads about 0.1-0.2 l/100kms optimistic. And because I regularly do long trips, I keep myself amused by monitoring consumption and doing fuel calcs in my head. Long distance driving here is boring! Oh, the car's odometer has been checked by me with a separate satnav too - its quite accurate.

My best economy was on a trip between Wagga and Albury when I had sustained some underbody damage (don't ask) and the car had only 4,000kms on the clock. It is completely flat and open, few bends or towns. It was 7.1 l/100kms indicated. But I couldn't travel more than 80km/h because the undertray would separate from the body!

Supurbia, however bitter and twisted you may be about your own experience, there is one thing certain here and that is that you know nothing about the real world fuel consumption of the V6 Superb. But there are others here who do, because they drive one and check their fuel use. And they seem to be able to discuss the subject without revealing their deepest personality flaws.

Now you may enjoy sounding stupid, in some perverse kind of way, by calling people liars etc when they present true facts, but it isn't helping the OP inform himself. Get a life!

BTW, I haven't heard anyone use the term cobber since I last watched a late night screening of "A Town Called Alice" in black and white!

Cheers

powerd

Canberra, the frosty bit of downunder

Edited 22 June, 201313 yr by powerd

@ powerd,

Mate idgaf tbh, what you wanna think is up to you, if you say a near on 4 litre car is doing near 30 mpg in traffic jams then fine so be it,

I was actually replying to Albervin whose also in Australia who kindly posted some realistic figures,

Now, I don't know what your science is like but I can honestly say you are the first motoring enthusiast to claim better MPG in cold weather than warm weather,

Basically I've been pulling cars apart for over 30 years, I think your knowledge of the workings of a car extends to the hoovering and filling the washer bottle tbh, now I'm sorry if I offended you by suggesting that you are way of the mark with your figures but basically.....you are!

Mechanics and dealers absolutely love people like you, you brag off about unreal mileage figures to all who will listen who then go and buy the same car and find they can't match your figures, so first stop is back to the dealer for a moan, then the mechanic spends hours looking for a fault that ain't there,

Now go get a dragon box fitted and you can come back and say it now does 35 mpg in town cos the MFD says so, extra mpg for making a car run rich, fools and their money,

Cobber, pigs arse, rack off, lol you Aussies have some pretty funny terms, see ya sport.

Troll

"...near on 4 litre car is doing near 30 mpg in traffic jams then fine so be it...." Deliberate misquote.

Perhaps if you understood engines, fuel injection and management systems, turbos, charge density etc and reread my post accurately, you just might understand.............. but I doubt it.

Its only 40 years this year since I rebuilt my first engine. OK, so it was a side valve Austin A35 - hardly difficult. More tolerance than Desmond Tutu. Currently rebuilding the fuel injection and engine bay wiring on my 1978 XJ-S. But like Captain Schulz, I know nothing.......

Last fillup at Gosford NSW a week ago, to top of filler neck, was 51.7 l for 579 kms after the trip from Canberra (freeway - max tolerance over limit to not get done on by radars) with some suburban driving in Sydney and short trips in Gosford/Terrigal. So that's ONLY 31.5mpg, so a little disappointing for the Superb but it was raining, windy and I took a different route through Sydney and hit peak hour traffic up the F3. usually gets better economy on that trip - about 34mpg, funnily.

Beats bragging about how bad your Skoda is............

BTW, maybe your problem is the driver? My previous car, a vRS, was almost faultless, a new sunroof switch under warranty and a small fix to the rear passenger window in over 80,000kms, some of which was over some much rougher roads than you will experience in the UK. Superb is faultless at 20,000kms since November, as it should be. Time to reconsider how you treat your cars maybe, and what you know about them, eh Supurbia?

Edited 23 June, 201313 yr by powerd

Take the 1.8 TSi - most folks with this in a Superb are very happy with their consumption, whilst most folks with a 1.8 Insignia are ruing the day they bought it.

I go slightly different opinion - got Vectra 1.8VVT (the same engine as in Insignia) and I am very happy with it in terms of economy. Maybe it's down to the weight of Insignia, I don't know but I'd love to see Vectras fuel consumption in my Superb

@ Powerd,

So I'm a troll now because I dare to suggest you got your real URBAN figure wrong, you've just posted the 31-34 for a highway trip which I would agree on as large engines once on the move and not gear changing all the time will return a 30+ figure, it's the 27 URBAN I don't agree with unless you live in an uncongested place where you still get to plod along at 40mph most of the time,

As for car ownership and how I drive,

I can assure you and if you'd read properly my issue wasn't with my Superb it was with the Passat, difference is the Superb had the 1.9 PD unit in it and was based on what was an excellent B5 Passat designed and built by people circa 1995, the Passat B6 however is built by people circa 2004 and the quality of build is shabby to say the least, my point to you is that your Superb is built by the circa 2004 people and bears no resemblence quality wise to the car the 1995 designed and built, now do some research and look into VW BKP engines and more importantly Skoda SCC engines for oil pump issues and you'll get the picture of how VAG treats it's customers.

Basically I know my way around modern engines and how they've improved mpg, I was loaned a Golf 1.4 TSi DSG while the B6 was having £3000 worth of injectors replaced under VOSA insisted recall, VOSA not VAG VAG was happy to let people drive around in a car that would conk out without any notice, this Golf returned figures similar to my B6 2.0 PD DSG which I thought was quite impressive, however when you consider the TSi engine has both a Turbo and a Supercharger on it it makes for a very expensive repair should it go wrong, and that's another thing, VAG fit too small a VVT Turbo to their cars which in turn means whistling and early failure, we won't even mention the VVT getting sooted up in no time and going into limp mode when you needed to join a motorway shall we, but a 3.6 V6 petrol engine in a true URBAN test will return 18 - 21 mpg like the book says and like your fellow countryman said, who incidently also owns one,

Shame on you for not buying a Holden Commodore or Caprice anyway.

@ Imb

You wait until you get into an Insignia the car is a leap from the Vectra (which I always found to be a good car anyway) I've no regrets about switching back to VX at all, still if you fancied a Superb 1.8TSi you could then spend all day worrying about whether you'll need a new set of pistons each time you drive it just like I had worry was my oil pump going to fail and destroy the engine and turbo because of a £3 shaft.

Three consecutive, randomly chosen tanks of typical urban driving in Canberra - see my earlier post for a description of type of driving.

48.2 litres, 424kms - 24.9 mpg. (number of short trips while on leave and not commuting)

55.1 litres, 523kms - 26.8 mpg (normal commuting, trips as above) What a surprise! This is the most common result I achieve given my standard commute and weekend use.

52.4 litres, 445 kms - 23.9 mpg.(more short trips, little constant throttle as moving short distances between worksites or working from home)

Worst average ever was 18.3 mpg. In inner Sydney, heavy throttle, lots of rat runs and inner city traffic with less than 4,000kms on the odometer. Haven't ever repeated that combination of circumstances.

But I guess you know better, Supurbia..............

Hey, Superbia, it's getting a bit spicy on here, mate, so it might be time to let it go. As I get only 35mpg out of my 1.8TSi in gentle driving, I too doubted the claims of the 3.6 brigade. However, they've answered your points in the most meticulous way and seem to know what they're talking about. An old Jewish proverb: if 10 men tell you you're drunk, lie down.

Cheers Ned, & thx.

REAL average IS 18.3 mpg. In inner Sydney, heavy throttle, lots of rat runs and inner city traffic with less than 4,000kms on the odometer. Haven't ever repeated that combination of circumstances.

SO I guess you ARE CORRECT, Supurbia..............

Thx Powerd yer a gent for agreeing with me, have you read Dr Freud?

AND FOR THE RECORD ANYONE CONSIDERING A 3.6 SUPERB BE WARNED V6 CARS OR ANY PETROL CAR WITH A CC ABOVE 2.2 WILL ONLY ACHIEVE 20 ISH TO THE GALLON RUNNING ABOUT TOWN IF YOU WANT TO LISTEN TO PEOPLE WHO CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHEN THE MFD SAYS 26MPG IT'S BECAUSE IT'S WHOLE CALCULATION IS INCLUDING THE 60MPH RUN THEY DID IN THE PREVIOUS 30 MILES, I'LL SAY NO MORE BUT AS AN EXPERIENCED MULTI CAR USER THIS IS FACT AND YOU WILL BE CRYING IF YOU BUY ONE ON THE STRENGTH OF WHAT A FORUM USER TOLD YOU ONLY TO FIND IRL IT STRUGGLES TO RETURN 18MPG, AS FOR THE CAR ITSELF, I LOVE BIG V's MYSELF BUT LIKE EVERYTHING DON'T EXPECT A HAPPY MEAL TO FEED A FAMILY.

Edited 23 June, 201313 yr by Supurbia

My case rests..................

Troll.

Steal your Dad's car keys, did you?

My case rests..................

Troll.

Steal your Dad's car keys, did you?

Look mate your username says you ain't no lightfoot, your post about driving round Sydney like the Transporter also suggest you are an impatient man, neither things could ever be linked to an economic driver and you obviously can't read because I've explained about the MFD readings and you've come back with one realistic figure of 18 mpg and three combined figures because they aren't based on a brim test they are just three lots of figures you have from a tank full of mixed useage,

Steal your Dad's car keys, did you?

I think that should be my line to you tbh

Edited 24 June, 201313 yr by Supurbia

Good grief, guys, I'm not a mod, but if I was I think some members may be getting banished to the naughty step!

Why can't we just agree that a Superb 3.6, while more economical than many other large capacity petrol-engined cars, is never going to make it into the £0 tax bracket.

Re the read-out on the MFD, I use setting 2 for my 'whole-tank' average, and it is always within a few decimal points of the actual consumption.

Let's all go out and enjoy our cars - Supurbia in your Insignia (be sure to get your water-pump changed every time the cam-belt is done - assuming you bought a diesel, it's a real weak-spot on those engines I believe, and one Vauxhall wanted nothing to do with). I'll enjoy driving my Superb 1.4TSi gently - it suits it - and continue to marvel at it's consumption, including 631 miles of motorway driving recently at 55-60 mph, returning over 60mpg (calculated brim-to- brim), and powerd, you enjoy your driving around Canberra - from what I've heard, driving a 3.6 Superb

probably comes near the top of the list of the most exciting things to do in your city

Oh my, is this nonsense still going on?

Supurbia look, yes if I drive like a nutter then yes I COULD get fuel consumption in the teens, happy?

The thing is I dont, thus my lowest consumption is in the low 20's, fact.

Read my old posts (all the post not selective bits) and you will see I agree this it not an economical car. If you cant be bothered, try this.

DO NOT BUY A V6 IF YOU ARE THAT BOTHERED ABOUT FUEL CONSUMPTION!!!!!!!

(I even typed slowly so you will not get confused).

However, its not as bad as you, who has never owned or prob even driven one, make out.

Do you think all the V6 owners on here are either stupid or liars?

What do I gain by this?

I don't care if no other person buys a V6 (though they will be missing out on a lovely car).

Why do you care about what the V6 does, your not getting one.

Are you the self appointed Guardian Angel of Superb buyers?

Many Greenline owners claim consumption in the 60MPG range, should I accuse them of lying because I once drove a car hard in traffic and it did less?

One last question, why post on a Skoda forum if you have such a dislike of VAG cars?

Why not post on a Vauxhall site with your new friends, but god help them when you have issues with your latest car and they are happy with theirs!

Ok last one,

@ ksr, good post mate, I always have a new pump at belt time and VAG ones are no better than the VX ones and that's why the prudent get a metal impeller one to replace the plastic one,

@ sadgit, all these supposed eco cars are ****e, they fall down because power to weight ratio means you have to gun the nuts off it all the time (the VAG 1.4 TSi is quite good though btw) I personally couldn't afford to run a V6 again but having had plenty of old Fords with em in I do find it to be the engine of choice for refined delivery, I spoke to someone today about this hissy fit who had a Golf R32 and he catagorically stated if he drove it uber gentle about town he was lucky to get 18 mpg out of it so whether you accept it or not I'm saying you aren't calculating the use properly and part of your claimed 27 mph isn't town work, if you could next time you get this magic figure flip to the average speed setting and post what that says,

I don't have a dislike of VAG cars I don't like the company itself, I had an absolutely supurb Superb 1 for 3 years and it was one of the best cars I ever had, but (luckily you won't find out as you have a proper lump in yours) the cars VAG builds today are cheap copies of something they used to build much much better,

Let me list you my Passat history, and bear in mind what was in my B6 is also in the Octavia and Superb regarding parts bin

Car had 72k on it

Drivers seat wing foam broke up and used to dust settle on the floor

Drivers door card de-formed due to having arm out of the window in hot weather

Drivers heel mat peeled off the carpet

Lift pump in tank replaced at 50k

Misfire when weather is hot and engine is cold VW couldn't find anything wrong with it

Turbo started siren sounding @ 35k

Oil consumption 1L 2k miles 505.01 5/30 FS

Strut mounts groaning at 40k

Dashboard creaked from day one

Glow plug dead @ 70k

Bad starting when hot, started at 45k sounds like a 3 cylinder start

That's my list and I had a good one, lets look at the other things VW will let you empty your wallet on

Ingintion key fault, replace steering colomn @ £1000

Injectors, these were £650 each to replace before VOSA made VW recall all cars with piezo inj in them

Rear brake calipers that crack the housing and allow water in, only £650 per caliper

EPB control unit, £600

EGR valve motor gunges up and breaks the flap, £250

Sawtooth rear tyres lkeading to premature tyre wear and cabin noise

Siren turbo and boost valve £1500

And finally, last but deffo not least

An oil pump with a hex shaft that rounds off and writes off the engine and the turbo in one hit, £5500

Now lets look at the supplying dealer who I bought it from,

Isn't it a lovely car sir? NO it F'Fin well isn't

This is the standard of a used VW

Rad grille cracked

Windscreen bullet hole

Rear foglight covered in overspray

Rear wing repair that looked like a kid with some playdoh repaired

Car had obvious previous damage history as well

Does this now give you an idea of who you bought a car from and why I'm in no hurry to return for another?

In a word total (it moves out of your bottom in the morning)

Superb 1

3 years use

30k more on the clock than the B6 at disposal time

1 battery @ 80k

1 Alternator @ 80k

1 Timing belt @ 80k

See the difference.

Ok last one,

.... blah blah blah blah blah

Hooray!! Just a shame you added the rest of the text.

Btw, if its any concillation, the Infiniti M37 V6 rental I'm driving this week is probably not getting anywhere near mid 20's the way I'm driving it

I'll try and remember to look at trip comp before I hand it back on Thursday.

Oh my, is this nonsense still going on?

No, No it's not. Thread Closed

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