Bolero BT - quick question

[hwl100]

I've read a load of previous excellent threads regarding this and just to confirm my understanding & ask if I need/should consider any further options.  Any help/reply gratefully received.

 

I want Bluetooth enabled so I can make calls (incl voice command) & stream music directly from my bolero unit.

 

I’ve just bought an April 2010 registered Octavia elegance (2011 plate), which has a bolero unit (RCD-510 I think), no multi function steering controls, BT audio button is greyed out , I’ve searched for Bluetooth from my Samsung s3 and it doesn’t find anything, and I can’t find anything under drivers seat which some threads have suggested looking for.

 

‘supply and fit’ options:

http://www.hazzydayz.com/genuine-skoda-bluetooth-handsfree-kit-supply--fit-1107-p.asp

http://www.freeyourhands.co.uk/skoda_bluetooth.html

 

or ‘supply only’ option:

http://www.hazzydayz.com/genuine-vw-bluetooth-kit-140-p.asp

 

Questions:

1 – have I got the correct supply only kit to fit my Octavia?

2 – is this something I could do myself, and save around £100-£150?  I’m happy removing trim and plugging in wires etc.. but worried if I have to do some sort of re-programming or coding

3 – can you recommend or know of any other cheaper suppliers or fitters?

 

FYI – I researched the fiscon (plus) too, but seems roughly same price and perhaps not as good/genuine part (?).

 

Sorry if this topic has been covered multiple times, seems every thread is just slightly different.

 

Any reply much appreciated

[TsvRS]

You can buy the unit (I have the 5N0035730D version which supports all phones) and loom with microphone on ebay and fit yourself - it is a two to three hour job. It will need coding but that is a simple job and there are lots of people who will do that for a beer or so. There were some really good instructions on the web somewhere and maybe on this site but I don't have them to hand

[hwl100]

Thanks.

Just had a quick Google of that BT module and still seems to be around €300 euros, so not sure more cost effective than the above link i posted. Assuming they are basically the same thing?

[monkeyalan]

There's quite a few 7P6 035 730 E modules on eBay. I assume the E just means it's newer and equally compatible?

[KBPhoto]

Fitting the OE Bluetooth kit is as straightforward as it gets really.

Remove some trim, plug cables in, code with VCDS, refit trim and job done.

Have a look on Ross tech website for further info and also on the 'My GTi' website which explains the two options for mic wiring (with or without voice control).

[monkeyalan]

Have a look on Ross tech website for further info and also on the 'My GTi' website which explains the two options for mic wiring (with or without voice control).

Is voice control optional then? Or is it only relevant for some setups? Not applicable to Bolero.. or is it?

[KBPhoto]

Voice control is optional but as it uses the exact same kit as one without voice control (save for slightly different wiring on the loom) you might as well get it fitted with it.

You still have the option of using it or not.

I can never remember the voice commands properly, haven't set up voice dialling and keep forgetting I've got it (not having a button on the steering wheel doesn't help).

http://www.my-gti.com/3/volkswagen-skoda-oem-bluetooth-install

http://www.my-gti.com/3/volkswagen-skoda-oem-bluetooth-install

And microphone pin outs: http://www.my-gti.com/3/volkswagen-skoda-oem-bluetooth-install

Shouldn't be any issues using voice control with a Bolero.

[monkeyalan]

Thanks. That's helpful. So I just need to buy one of these then: http://item.mobileweb.ebay.co.uk/viewitem?itemId=400537047533&cmd=VIDESC

[KBPhoto]

Do you have RNS 510/Columbus?

That listing states that it only works with this HU and minimum software version number.

Bluetooth does work with Bolero as that is, I think, RNS 310, but not sure this one will allow voice control.

Send them a message and ask then if it doesn't they will have to sort it out.

[monkeyalan]

Thanks for the heads up! I have a Bolero not a Columbus. Doh.

[KBPhoto]

I can't find any threads on here about voice control on a Bolero...

Seems a bit odd to me. It's possible on the Amundsen & Columbus but not the Bolero...

[RainbowFire]

I have to admit, for the money being quoted in the original post, you could upgrade to Amundsen/RNS315. BT and Nav built-in, a much better SD card system and DAB. The only "downside" is a single CD vs 6 CD (but offset that against the very fast SD card system). Oh and for a couple of seconds the SEAT logo comes up on the display on startup.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-SAT-NAV-RNS-315-GPS-DAB-Fits-Most-2005-on-Seats-/141023424018?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20d5a6ae12

Add the mic £30 (http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/274292-blackline-bluetooth-kit-loom-mic/?p=3244289)

If you want to use the DAB: £20 aerial from DABonwheels.

You might need the fascia as well.

 

Cost would be offset against selling the Bolero. Installation would be faster and easier too.

[PompeyKev]

I had this one fitted in my 2009 fl Octavia VRS: VW Bluetooth KIT 7P6035730L - Retrofit - Newest Version, which I bought from www.carsystems.pl for 199 euros. 

I then paid a fitter £50 to fit it, and watched as he did so.  I can confidently say now that I could have saved the £50 and do it myself !!

Once it was all wired up and connected, there was no programming required and it picked up my I phone 4s straight away with no scrambled phone directory as well.

[monkeyalan]

I assume this was connected to a Bolero. Do you have voice control? Would be good to settle this once and for all!

[hwl100]

+1 Pompeykev - pl confirm, did you buy this BT kit http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-bluetooth-kit-7p6035730l-retrofit-newest-version,id417.html and it worked (including voice control) with your bolero RCD-510?

 

monkeyalan - sounds like you have same issue as me, i.e. you have Bolero RCD-510 and want BT enabled and if possible voice control?

 

Thanks for above posts guys, sorry for delayed reply, i've been enjoying sunshine

 

I have to admit, for the money being quoted in the original post, you could upgrade to Amundsen/RNS315. BT and Nav built-in, a much better SD card system and DAB. The only "downside" is a single CD vs 6 CD (but offset that against the very fast SD card system). Oh and for a couple of seconds the SEAT logo comes up on the display on startup.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/SEAT-SAT-NAV-RNS-315-GPS-DAB-Fits-Most-2005-on-Seats-/141023424018?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item20d5a6ae12

Add the mic £30 (http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/274292-blackline-bluetooth-kit-loom-mic/?p=3244289)

If you want to use the DAB: £20 aerial from DABonwheels.

You might need the fascia as well.

 

Cost would be offset against selling the Bolero. Installation would be faster and easier too.

Rainbow fire - is this really an option?  With that unit, don't you still need to activate/install a BT phone kit to get it to work?

 

If I could just buy an upgraded unit for <£500 that has everything activated and also satnav I would definitely consider that.  However, when I spoke to hazzydayz they said even if I did have an upgraded RNS-510 columbus with satnav (for example), it would still require a BT phone kit to be fitted.

 

This doesn't seem to be as straight forward as I thought!  Although KB photo, you reckon it is really is pretty easy?

[KBPhoto]

Fitting it all is pretty straight forward.

VCDS coding is straightforward.

Establishing whether voice control will work with a Bolero isn't proving to be difficult though.

Fitting a Columbus still needs a BT kit to be able to make calls.

I'm no expert on the Amundsen system, but it does look as though you could have that + BT for about £500 less what you sell your Bolero for (c.£120).

[pipsyp]

Fitting it all is pretty straight forward.

VCDS coding is straightforward.

Establishing whether voice control will work with a Bolero isn't proving to be difficult though.

Fitting a Columbus still needs a BT kit to be able to make calls.

I'm no expert on the Amundsen system, but it does look as though you could have that + BT for about £500 less what you sell your Bolero for (c.£120).

+1 on the Amundsen +/RNS 315 unit. Have this in my Blackline and its fantastic.

Nav is much the same as the Columbus (3D, full TMC and maxidot integration), has an SD card slot so lack of jukebox really isnt a big deal and has a 5" screen which is similar if not bigger than alot of 3rd party navs anyway.

Then you get onto its capabilities out of the box that the Columbus cannot do.....full BT functionality with A2DP audio streaming (just no voice control but its cack anyway so you'd not miss it) and a built in DAB/DAB+ tuner. Simply swap thr headunit, install the GPS antenna, BT mic and loom and a 3rd party DAB antenna and you have it all.

Blackline came with the Amundsen + but no standard Bluetooth, coding (took a few mins) by a local VAG specialist, bought the mic and got a mechanic friend to fit, 80 quid later (not much in my mind though knowing what I do now could have installed the mic myself.....just scared to take my week old 200 mile car apart) had full OEM bluetooth.

There is also the benefit that the car has 4Gb on board flash storage for the EU mapping data so everything is nice and quick with no delay like you can get with HDD based nav....likely to be more reliable longer term too.

[PompeyKev]

I haven't got voice control at present so I can't say if it has the capability, sorry chaps. If I knew how to do it, I would give it a try though !!

[KBPhoto]

Amundsen & Amundsen+ both have BT built in?

If they do then that would be the way I'd go in the OP's position.

I believe there is a small wiring mod needed to get the mic installed so that voice control works though.

Although I'm guessing the Seat one linked to above will have the Seat logo on start up and won't have green illumination. How much that matters is up to the OP but I thought I'd point it out.

[RainbowFire]

Rainbow fire - is this really an option?  With that unit, don't you still need to activate/install a BT phone kit to get it to work?

 

If you get the right one, it will have BT built in. If it's not activated, it's all of 60 secons in VCDS (one tick box)

 

 

Amundsen & Amundsen+ both have BT built in?

If they do then that would be the way I'd go in the OP's position.

I believe there is a small wiring mod needed to get the mic installed so that voice control works though.

Although I'm guessing the Seat one linked to above will have the Seat logo on start up and won't have green illumination. How much that matters is up to the OP but I thought I'd point it out.

 

There are more RNS315's out there than there are Amundsen/+'s. The VW or SEAT logo is for 5 seconds and the red illumination isn't noticable. As far as I know there are two RNS315s: one without BT and DAB and one that has both.

 

I'd be interested to know that the wiring mod is though....all I've seen so far is Mic+ and Mic- on the pin outs.

 

 

At the end of the day though, hwl100, it is your money and your call.

[KBPhoto]

I'd be interested to know that the wiring mod is though....all I've seen so far is Mic+ and Mic- on the pin outs.

I'm trying to recall the thread for Blackline owners who wanted to activate BT/voice control and my memory may have mangled the info.

But there's a long thread on here about it to cross reference.

[HWMBO - Mark]

I also recently fitted the 7P6035730L kit & i have a Bolero & I have the newer BT module & yes it does support 'voice control' but the bolero does not support it. So much so that I kept getting on open mic error & had to order the previous spec wiring looming kit (http://www.carsystems.pl/bluetooth-wiring-plug-play-sds-2-5m,id166.html) which worked a treat.

 

I do have a scambled phonebook when I try & use the 'Phone' button on the stereo but when I use the Maxidot it's perfect & my favourites are programmed into the head unit so that works fine. Also the functionality is all there for missed calls & dailed calls. Don't be put off with this glitch thought as it's well worth the £'s.

 

I was the same as PompeyKev, got module off ebay, got it fitted by your truly & Iphone picked up straight away. I had mine coded prior  to install by those kind people @Shark whilst it was in for a bit of work

 

Good Luck & Enjoy!

Edited 29 July, 2013 by HWMBO - Mark

[hwl100]

Ok, so I’m making progress (maybe slowly).  My decision isn’t really very difficult to make, but getting the right information to make that decision is!

 

Going back to my original post and seeing the answers/recommendations on here, I see my options as:

 

1 – buy a BT kit to add to my current bolero.  Something like this  http://www.carsystems.pl/vw-bluetooth-kit-7p6035730l-retrofit-newest-version,id417.html or this http://www.hazzydayz.com/genuine-vw-bluetooth-kit-140-p.asp

 

Should enable touch screen for phone book/calling and music streaming from phone (remember I have no multifunction steering wheel).  Unlikely to get voice control (not a deal breaker).  No satnav (not a dealbreaker but might be nice)

Circa £200 + fitting

 

2 – buy a complete new or used Amundsen+ / RS315 unit to replace the Bolero.  This will need to be the version that has Bluetooth already enabled, as there are versions out there without it enabled.  Like this, I think, http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VW-RNS-315-RNS315-DAB-Bluetooth-Navigation-System-Sat-Nav-GPS-HDD-VW-310-510-/290924042084?pt=UK_In_Car_Technology&hash=item43bc6c9764#ht_3454wt_916

it comes with GPS antenna.  Would need to buy & fit mic. Should hopefully also get phone voice control?  Would probably say “Volkswagen” on start up (not a dealbreaker).

Circa £500 + mic + fitting

 

3 – buy a Columbus RNS 510 to replace Bolero unit.  This would be a straight swap, and a genuine skoda part, and I would get satnav, like this http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=200902617128

but I can’t find any that come with Bluetooth enabled, so I would still have to buy and fit a BT kit, which means another £200+fitting so I don't think this is really an option as it would be too expensive.

Circa £500 + BT kit £200 + fitting

 

If what I have said above is nearly correct, option 1 or 2 is clearly the way to go.  Option 1 being cheapest, Option 2 I get satnav, voice control for phone, probably a better system overall (?) and perhaps not as expensive if I could sell my bolero unit for ~£100 too.

 

Thanks for all the posts by the way, really helping & MUCH appreciated.  Please let me know if anyone disagrees, or more importantly agrees with what I've said above and the links attached.

 

Looking to make a decision this week...

[KBPhoto]

The Columbus does not have BT built in. Neither does the Bolero.

You'll need an extra module and wiring for that.

If voice control or sat nav are if no importance, then buy a wiring loom with mic and BT module for your existing Bolero.

Simple plug and play. Possibly some coding needed with VCDS, but straight forward.

If voice control and sat nav are significant then go for the Amundsen with BT enaed, but I would keep an eye out for a Skoda one as I personally would be annoyed with a VW logo every time it started.

[hwl100]

I think you are dead right.

If I could find a Amundsen 'skoda' unit, that would be the solution for me.

However, after a quick search I don't seem to be able to find a skoda one, only vw like in my last post :(