Even with the stock front anti roll bar and a mahoosive 28mm neuspeed rear anti roll bar i never lost it!

Possibly crappy tyres letting go far too early!

As standard you'll understeer rather than slap the tail out!

Possibly you 'let off' mid corner as you went in too hot! Thus transferring the weight and experienced 'lift off oversteer'

 

agreed. I had massive anti roll bars on my mk1 leon. It still understeered like a pig

I had my ass end out on a small roundabout in the damp but iv got prada's on the back and I came in fast and let off (as a test) enough said!

It's the tyres yo! Thems is sugar honey ice tea! Even at slow speed on a constant radius turn a small lift caused over steer. Was doing no more than 30 max on a one third steering wheel turn. Came round in slow motion. ????

Time for some quality rubber. Makes the kumhos on the fronts feel like slicks!

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of course it will. No matter how good your tyres are at the back if you go too quick into a corner and suddenly take your foot of the throttle that is what happens. The tyres probably didnt help the situation.

 

A mate of mine owns a 306 gti with yokos all round (a car which doesnt lack grip). I had the pleasure of watching his talent run out once on a bend. "lift off oversteer".

A 306 gti is NOT a car that suffers from massive understeer like an Octy vRS. Lift off oversteer should not happen with a standard MkI vRS Octy. Lord knows I tried enough times with mine in all weathers when I DID have same tyres all round...

 

You'd have to lift off really harshly for the weight distribution to suddenly jolt this into happening, but the way the vRS suffers so much from understeer it's hardly likely to jolt so suddenly, unless the weight distribution is all wrong. Load the boot with bricks and all bets are off though...

Agree with above.  Lift off oversteer is something that tends to happen with shorter wheel base cars, you should try driving a 172 cup on the wet quickly around an island, brown pants time.  Longer cars like the octy suffer less.

A 306 gti is NOT a car that suffers from massive understeer like an Octy vRS. Lift off oversteer should not happen with a standard MkI vRS Octy. Lord knows I tried enough times with mine in all weathers when I DID have same tyres all round...

 

You'd have to lift off really harshly for the weight distribution to suddenly jolt this into happening, but the way the vRS suffers so much from understeer it's hardly likely to jolt so suddenly, unless the weight distribution is all wrong. Load the boot with bricks and all bets are off though...

 

your deliberately trying to have lift off oversteer in all weathers?   and no a 306 doesnt suffer understeer like a vrs , however it still does believe me. I agree probably not the best example to give.

 

The fact is the vrs handles crap stock, much like any mk4 based car. 4mos excluded.

 

I WOULD personally class throwing a car round a  B or A road, then lifting off the pedal mid corner as harsh, but like I said before having crap tyres on the back probably didnt help.

 

OP did say its been 7 years since having fwd.

I used to provoke mine to get a little slide going on!

Boot it

Let off

And as you let off yank the wheel the way your going!

Then a bit of opposite lock and a bit of tokyo driftin' yo

I've always was been in the pursuit of keeping most my cars like sh!! to a blanket so to speak. Im boreing that way.

 

Bet the beemer can drift tho

your deliberately trying to have lift off oversteer in all weathers?

 

Yeah well, there are some useful places round here where you can play without getting into trouble:D

 

 

 

Well,

 

without getting into danger anyways...

 

And then there's airport open days etc...

 

 

 

I keep meaning to take the wife's E92 335iSE out for a drift or two, but everytime I even drive it sensibly she bitches about how much more fuel I've used than she manages to.

Did try in her old 230SLK once, switched traction control off, full throttle, bit too much lock...

 

Waheyyyy, wait, I'm going in a straight line again...

 

Bah! Bloody traction control switches itself back on again. NO fun. :(

I don't have enough power in my beemer to drift lol (320d)

I don't have enough power in my beemer to drift lol (320d)

 

nothing a remap can't sort!

Yeah i fancy a bluefin so i can knock it on or off!

Can't justify the £400 pricetag just now though :(

I had an early bluefin on my mk1 focus many moons ago, when they first launched it. Superchips get slagged for low power hikes, but I think they just map quite safe. Good bit of kit. You can also wipe the ecu, so the car can't be stolen, even with the key.

I think you people are all crazy, matching conti sports all round and even before fitting an additional rarb lift off oversteer is very possible, in fact there's a couple of local spacious roundabouts up here that I occasionally practice this on! Takes a sharp wiggle and tug on the wheel but it will go in the wet relatively easy.

Not as easy as with either of my cups though used to have a ball 'drifting' those.

Private roads obviously.

Sounds like a good old case of lift off oversteer to me, especially if the rear tyres are cheaper/have less tread than the fronts.  Always have the best tread on the rear, to minimise lift off oversteer due to sudden weight transfer to the front as you lift off, thus reducing the weight at the rear and therefore the grip of the rear tyres.  I know this fact through bitter experience...

 

In my misspent youth in the late Nineties I had a brand new set of Toyo Proxes on the front of my Escort which had 15" alloys with 50 series tyres and a set of cheapo tyres on the back with bugger-all tread.  You can see where this is going, can't you?  Suffice to say, one wet roundabout* approached far too fast (as I felt invincible with my fancy new tyres), lift off to reduce speed, car does a 180 degree spin within the width of the roundabout's two lanes and I ended up facing the wrong way on the roundabout, in the same lane I was in and missing the kerbs by a miracle.  It happened so quick that all I could do was sit there as it was happening, no doubt with my mouth open in a pretty good imitation of a goldfish.  Not my finest hour!

 

Ever since then, I've gradually got used to my cars' handling characteristics.  My vRS is on cheapo tyres which I hate (and which make it handle like a barge, although I doubt it'd handle very well even with decent tyres as it feels massively overpowered for its chassis, which is all part of its charm for me).  The trouble is, said cheapo tyres (which the car came with) have 7mm of tread left on them and a new set would probably be worth nearly as much as the car, so I drive it steadily around corners and think of the money I'm saving!

 

*on one's own private roundabout.  Obviously.

 

sounds like a classic case of "oh **** im going to fast"  off the power , and out goes the back.

Happened only once to me and this was the cause, left hand corner adverse camber in the wet! i nearly **** myself.

I think everybody early on in their driving career needs a brown trouser back end spin that is a result of cheapo tyres. (obviously one that doesn't involve any other vehicle or damage to anyone )

Nothing else quite shows the real value of good tyres like watching your back end rotate past you due to piching a few pennies on getting some decent rubber.

I think you people are all crazy, matching conti sports all round and even before fitting an additional rarb lift off oversteer is very possible, in fact there's a couple of local spacious roundabouts up here that I occasionally practice this on! Takes a sharp wiggle and tug on the wheel but it will go in the wet relatively easy.

Not as easy as with either of my cups though used to have a ball 'drifting' those.

Private roads obviously.

That's not lift off oversteer, that's blatant deliberate provoking! Load up your suspension like that and it's bound to happen.

It is lift of oversteer, or maybe closer to the ol Scandinavian flick, whatever, point is its very easy to oversteer an Octy

After reading the entire thread, I'm staying with my original thought of "dangerous Chinese ditchfinders on rear". How does the cost of a 1 proper tyre compare with your insurance excess? Personally I find a tyre is less than my excess (and I'm only on £150 ).

Depends how you drive I suppose, if you go quickly and like to corner quickly (and there's nothing wrong with that!) then get 'em changed, especially as you've got better tyres at the front meaning that you've got unbalanced handling until your you have similar tyres all round.

 

I'd love to get a new set of tyres on mine but I can't bear the thought of throwing away four tyres with nearly full tread on them, plus I actually drive pretty steady in the vRS, I just like knowing that the power is there*.  I actually drive harder in the other half's Honda Jazz on its Pirellis, as that requires Schumacher-style driving to keep up with mobility scooters and there's something quite satisfying about getting the most out of an underpowered car, whereas the vRS is so quick that you need a runway to take it to the redline in any gear higher than second! 

 

*plus I'm also skint at the moment!