Before I get shot down in flames I know this is not the correct measurement of a cars ability in was just curious if anyone had timed there's, officially or just by using a stop watch.

Never bothered with mine, it's hardly a performance car. I'd guess low 8's standard, maybe a fraction quicker if it's been remapped.

Edited 24 October, 201312 yr by Keith Lard

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Edited 24 October, 201312 yr by Keith Lard

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If you want to I have some accurate timing gear mate. We just need a quite straight, flat road by you, or you can pop over hear (see your not to far away)

I always try to time cars as a) its interesting gives you a baseline figure for if it gets poorly or you mod it. c) tells you quick your remapped car really is!

Ive got some really interesting results timing various cars. 

 

OR you can use an OBD reader, its not as accurate as the method I have, but you can get an idea from it if you can get it to sample fast enough (the problem I had with my obd reader was I could only at best get  around 5 to 7hz via obd)

 

 

Stopwatch is utterly Random. Id avoid this method

Means nothing to me, I just got mine mapped for extra driveability, not to win a traffic light GP or boasting figures 

Considering mine is 7seconds standard with dsg using launch control then remapped should be low 6 depending if it is dsg or not

Mine was done on a proper quarter mile over 3runs before anyone shoots me down.

Considering mine is 7seconds standard with dsg using launch control then remapped should be low 6 depending if it is dsg or not

Mine was done on a proper quarter mile over 3runs before anyone shoots me down.

 

Where was that?

We need a group air field meet where we can line up one of everything and let them blast down 1/4 mile to see who is Victor! How good would that be! Imagine, starting at one end standard fabia, remapped fabia, same for mk2 onto octavia all the way to yeti and citigo. Standard and tuned for each deviant.

Scangauge in my vRS TFSI records my 0-60 times of between 6.0 and 6.7 seconds- is a pig to get off the line cleanly in a relatively powerful FWD.

That's with 265 ish BHP.

I wouldn't expect a CR to be too far off when mapped; especially with the extra low down torque.

That is heavily flawed in that any launch (standing start) in a fwd manual is all about the driver and a load of random variables. TC can help to even it up mind.

 

0-60 isnt the trash figure people claim it is, its shows a fundamental ability for a car to accelerate from rest and cover a couple of gears.

BUT it doesnt tell you how fast a car is.

My average 0-60 in my rover is about 6.0 - 6.5 seconds (thats pretty slow for its bhp/ton). yet itll only take another 5 seconds to pass 100 (thats pretty quick).

What it tells you is it cant do standing starts. It has no relation to its outright performance.

Same really is the qtr. A pro drag guy talks about the 60ft time. And this measurment will skew the time/mph at the finnish line.

 

What i tend to do is run a car through 3rd gear. You can see at each increment what the car can do. You get a full scope of its rolling ability with no driver or random variables.

Where was that?

gti international, 2011 I think. I think I saw your car in show and shine and nick was taking his down the strip too.

If you want to I have some accurate timing gear mate. We just need a quite straight, flat road by you, or you can pop over hear (see your not to far away)

I always try to time cars as a) its interesting gives you a baseline figure for if it gets poorly or you mod it. c) tells you quick your remapped car really is!

Ive got some really interesting results timing various cars.

OR you can use an OBD reader, its not as accurate as the method I have, but you can get an idea from it if you can get it to sample fast enough (the problem I had with my obd reader was I could only at best get around 5 to 7hz via obd)

Stopwatch is utterly Random. Id avoid this method

what do you use to time it accurately?

gti international, 2011 I think. I think I saw your car in show and shine and nick was taking his down the strip too.

 

It was, and he did

I use a gtech gmeter mate, ive used it to measure allsorts and its proved to be very consistant and incredibly accurate.

With the help of a spreadsheet I actually use it to get BHP figures from to, which have been very close to rolling road figures (e.g 269 vs 273, 292 vs 293 etc). Although that needs a comprehensive set of accurate specs for the car.

 

Its not as easy to plug in and go as a obd reader (like the scangauge and such) as it needs a standing start to calibrate itself and it does need a flat road. But it samples much quicker than obd and isnt dependent on the not 100% accurate on board sensors from the car.

The software that comes with it is good to as it gives you loads of graphs straight off.

 

sounds like im a salesman for them. oops!

Lol ever compared your timing gear to a cheap app? Are they along way off? I have a gtech timing gadget I got off ebay a few years back for around 50 quid, got a 6.1 in my mapped fabia vrs but in my thread at the time was told the timing wouldn't have been accurate

I keep meaning to, but one app ive got is really fussy over its orientation so ive not bothered!

Problem with the phone ones is the Gsensors not as good and the GPS is a waste of space unless you plug in a 10hz rx at the least.

What i have compared it to is the obd output from cars (the obd reader couldnt sample quick enough so i could only say they were both in the same ball park) and offiical road tests where my times always match the road cars of similer tune (not press cars which can have more bhp - I think BMW did this with the N54 as neither mine nor tuners can match the press times)

 

Is it one of the silver ones with the OSD? Thats what im using.

The previous black one with a simple red display) was a bit ropey!!

Yeah it's the ropey one I think! Lol

Considering mine is 7seconds standard with dsg using launch control then remapped should be low 6 depending if it is dsg or not

DSG helps a lot. Watch youtube clips of the Golf GTI DSG v Manual 0-60 times. The DSG is consistently quicker due to eliminating the driver input.

I know with my S4 I can get consistent sub 5 sec 0-60 times. Nothing to do with me, DSG & AWD means its party trick is the traffic light Grand Prix.

How about doing the 80-120km/h in 4th gear test? (or similar ones) I guess the in-gear acceleration is what counts in 90% of the real-life cases, you hardly race from stoplight to stoplight doing 100km/h in cities no?

I've always believed 0-100 was a more meaningful representation of a cars acceleration from rest, and 30-70 to be even more relevant. I've used a phone app with mine, but the desire not to shag the drive train up means I only ever used it once and got crap results, as in slower than the stock car. When it's lighting up the tc in 3rd in the dry it's fast enough.

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My Ibiza TDi is slow to 100mph really, but fast to 60mph because the car launches so well.

 

0-60mph in 5.0 seconds

0-100mph in 13.3(ish) (guess)

 

Is my PB.

 

As above its in the launch, as my PB 0-60ft time is 2.03 seconds on normal road tyres too.

 

220hp with about 100KG's of weight taking out over book figure.

DSG or an auto will indeed muller a manual. 

The difference is much bigger than you see on professional reviews or manufacturer brochures as we are much more careful with our own cars and wont shift a manual anything like as fast as a press test. Where the auto will change just as fast whoever is driving it. 

 

Ive found an auto will shift 0.3 to 0.4 seconds faster than a manual. (clutch, swap, clutch, turbo lag...). So thru the gears they are hard to beat. 

 

  

 

 

When it's lighting up the tc in 3rd in the dry it's fast enough. 

Or it doesnt have enough traction 

 

Its all part and parcal of how effective a car can be. As with the S4 example, itll launch consistently and quick, its no reason to discount 0-60 it just says it launches well and has good traction. If im judging a cars performance i wont pick speed increments that suit the car i like, you have to break it up into bits as between 0 and vmax there are a heap of different ways to test and each one can see one car better than the other. 

Even things like when you choose to change gear can totally alter the outcome of a thru the gears test. 

 

 

5.0 to 60 in a 220bhp fwd is very quick. Fastest ive ever seen is 4.8 in a fwd car of that sort of bhp/ton on road tyres and that was by one of the best standing starters in the country. Best ive done myself is 5.8 with that spec.

Thank you

 

2nd gear launch in the shorter 6 spd diesel box found in the later Ibiza FR / Fabia vRS cars. So upto nearly 50mph then change into 3rd. Toyo T1-R's on all round too.