Divide the Nm by 1.36 to find the lbft figure

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Well, come on then - enough pictures (especially as I'm now considering changing my order to black!), where are the figures?!

No figures till were finished

220-226bhp and upto 485nm of torque from various maps we've created today

Sign me up!

Oh hang on, how do they drive though?

One other question Andrew, I know the mode button on the vRS doesn't effect the power output so obviously the crd-t won't be effected but do all the other things work normally - ie the change to throttle response and steering weight etc?

Ta.

Sign me up!

Oh hang on, how do they drive though?

One other question Andrew, I know the mode button on the vRS doesn't effect the power output so obviously the crd-t won't be effected but do all the other things work normally - ie the change to throttle response and steering weight etc?

Ta.

The tuning doesn't affect the functionality of the mode button at all..

Some stats from today

313 miles driven including 50 static miles and brim to brim 39.2mpg (same garage this morning and this evening 36litres used over 313 miles)

I'm off to bed as it's been a long day, but it is a case of watch thus space.

Edited 9 November, 201312 yr by Andrew@DTUK

Just looking at the graphs

At 9.52am

141hp at the hubb and 387nm at 3003rpm

By 16.29 am

183hp at the hubb and 489nm at 2150rpm

Ive just posted this on another forum but thought i would share it witjh you guys..

 

 

 

talk is always good..


We've been involved with dual channel systems for VAG/BMW/MERC/Vauxhall for nearly 3 years now, intact we've been tuning the 2.0 140/170 with a dual channel system since 2009 and have dyno graphs from that engine showing a nice smooth curve and 220bhp and 443nm

the latest range of EA288 TDI engines in my eyes are a revelation, so much so i actually love driving our vRS 

Getting onto the nitty gritty, we all know that tuned figures are like the lottery. Some of the claims being made are in my eyes unachievable, ok ill rephrase that and say that a high spike of bhp to hit the numbers is achievable but at the sacrifice of drivability.

As maisbitt has mentioned, he has loads of power but by the sounds of it his car is bordering on being undriveable as he is losing traction.

We've been working on software this last couple of weeks (without the dyn0) and we can give our customers an undriveable peaky map that within the dyno lottery would probably give 235bhp.. Yeah I've got 235bhp but i can't drive the car.

A true tuner wants to give their customers a tuned car that they can actually use, and this is why we differ from the competition and why we've invested over £25,000 in our own Octavia. This latest 2.0 184PS is going to be very popular, and we want to be the tuner of choice for VAG owners.

Im sure many of you have heard of Shark Performance, and i know that within the Skoda community they have a very good reputation, intact we used a shark performance STS on our own S3 and would be the inly people i would use for a remap.

So moving onto the 2.0 184PS

We did plan on going to our usual dyno based at Motoscope in Northallerton as this is the dyno we've used for the last 8/9 years and their figures are consistent.

2009 our 2.0TDI Seat Leon produced 210bhp and 443nm
2013 our TT TDI produced 220bhp and 443nm of torque

In those 4 years we have tweaked and developed the software which is what we will do with the latest 2.0TDI'S.

As this new engine is going to be shot topic we decided to goto a different dyno, and chose Shark's in Mansfield, factor in that they also have their own Octavia vRS and are interested in seeing exactly what we can offer them for their customers who don't want their edu opened up..

I will be posting a full write up on this forum and many others later this week, to summarise the results from saturday..


In standard form the vRS produced 

141bhp at the wheel - 179.2 at the flywheel and 378nm of torque at 3003rpm

we dynode several files that we had written using the bum dyno, and the figures ranged from 210bhp unto 226bhp, but th torque on all of these files was sitting between 475 and 490nm.

After a day working with Ben on the dyno we created a smooth drivable file that produced

183bhp at the wheel - 221bhp at the flywheel and 489nm at 2150rpm


anybody that's anybody will agree that those figures are worthless as we could take the same car to 6 other dynos and the figures would vary for me the important thing i always look at are the % increases at the wheel as this takes away all of the correction bull.

So if you look at the 141 to 183bhp figures you'll see that they have increased by 29.7%

So if we were to add 29.7% to 184ps quoted by VAG then the expected figure we could quote on our website would be 239PS


so there we go, the unachievable figure i mentioned above is actually achievable but in reality on sharks dyno we only produced 221bhp..

I hope you guys are following where I'm going with this?


Either way we do intend to take our car to our usual dyno, and run the same files that we did on saturday and i guarantee the figures will be different.


So if youre looking for a company that is passionate about tuning cars, and are in it for the long term then you know who to talk too..

And this is before the introduction of a 3 channel system we are looking to develop with Shark Performance

and the 221bhp graph..

 

I hope this thread doesn't go off topic like the other one, but I will continue to update this for the members who are interested in what we're doing.

Just before I left work this evening the 3 channel kits landed at the office, I have mentioned that I don't like them due to the 12v power supply and that due to the nature of our business , 95% of our kits are DIY purchases.

Not everyone is a rocket scientist, and sometimes mechanics and engineers are the worst offenders for mis fitting our kits, so if you then involve multiple cables, powered by 12vs going to 5 v sensors I hope you can see my concerns

Basically if those cables are mis fitted and melt together, you have 12 vs heading to 3 sensors and a damaged ecu.

Don't get me wrong adding rpm into the mix would give us an even better product, but the compromise in my eyes is worth it.

I will also try and give as much of an insight as possible into our technology without it reading like an advert, and which in turn will Also show the guys that not every tuning box on the market is a simple resistor or a fixed voltage adjuster.

So let's hope we can get back on the right foot and that this thread is kept on topic, oh and I can't promise that I won't allow my emotions to get in the way as that's who I am. My business is my baby, and I'm passionate about what I do

Edited 13 November, 201312 yr by Andrew@DTUK

I like the cut of your jib Andrew and agree the other thread has gone a it Pete tong. I find the work you're dong interesting and although it's to for me I'm still really impressed at modern engines power and torque abilities.

Fingers crossed it all stays calm and above board.

The last thread was informative and useful just sadly got locked

Today's a new day

I like the cut of your jib Andrew and agree the other thread has gone a it Pete tong. I find the work you're dong interesting and although it's to for me I'm still really impressed at modern engines power and torque abilities.

Cheers Nick, I am passionate about what I do, maybe too passionate at times, but glad you found the info informative

Fingers crossed it all stays calm and above board.

The last thread was informative and useful just sadly got locked

Today's a new day

I'll try to be more specific in my posts Kenny so that hopefully they can't be misinterpreted ..

Today is a new day and I'm looking forward to sharing my findings today

Looking forward to it.

 

I run a club where sponsors and people who want to tune things have literally died off. Getting close to info and projects like this is a rare privilege for me. The more info there is the better! 

This is the rolling road graph from when DTE developed the 3 channel system on a Seat Leon FR

 

 

The fitting instructions are available to download below, the only downside i can see after checking our car (its mentioned in the instructions) is that a tire bolt needs to be removed to gain access to the camshaft sensor. No real heartache but its one thing a potential customer could lose, ok its only a screw/bolt but it could cause some customers distress.

 

https://www.dropbox.com/s/67b1pkfonh5wa26/vag_2.0_150_184_crd10_e.pdf

 

If we get chance today we will install the kit on our car.

+1 for someone who is very interested in the work you are doing, and would certainly consider adding a bit more grunt to my vRS.  The difficult decision for me is whether to do it from new or after 3years when there is no warranty to worry about....

 

Apologies as I'm not especially technically-gifted, but does this tuning box affect every mode on the car or limited to sport?  Do you have any figures for how this affected MPG? 

 

I know with the MiTo, maps were often limited to "Dynamic" Mode, which was a shame as the "Normal" and "All-Weather" modes provided by Alfa were useless and need a tweak also!

Edited 14 November, 201312 yr by fiisch

+1 for someone who is very interested in the work you are doing, and would certainly consider adding a bit more grunt to my vRS.  The difficult decision for me is whether to do it from new or after 3years when there is no warranty to worry about....

Thats an individuals choice to make, and understand your quandary. But I'm glad youre finding this interesting.

 

Ive been speaking to Ben this morning about the last 24 hours, and we've decided that were going to continue to work on this project together. DTUK's priority is going to be the continued testing/development of the 2 channel kit, and Shark are going to be concentrating on the 3 channel kit.

+1 for someone who is very interested in the work you are doing, and would certainly consider adding a bit more grunt to my vRS.  The difficult decision for me is whether to do it from new or after 3years when there is no warranty to worry about....

 

Apologies as I'm not especially technically-gifted, but does this tuning box affect every mode on the car or limited to sport?  Do you have any figures for how this affected MPG? 

 

I know with the MiTo, maps were often limited to "Dynamic" Mode, which was a shame as the "Normal" and "All-Weather" modes provided by Alfa were useless and need a tweak also!

 

I'm prepared to be told I'm wrong, but to the best of my knowledge the various modes are changing the throttle response. If its like the sport button found in the vauxhall astras, the car will always produce the same power 150/184bhp but the sport button/modes simply dulls the feel of the pedal.

 

so to answer your question the sensations you feel when switching between modes will still be apparent, but they will be amplified due to the additional bhp and torque.

 

Ive tried the various modes on our vRS, and with the additional power i can confirm that sport is very sprightly, where as eco mode feels like someone has placed a sponge beneath the pedal.

The fitting instructions are available to download below, the only downside i can see after checking our car (its mentioned in the instructions) is that a tire bolt needs to be removed to gain access to the camshaft sensor. No real heartache but its one thing a potential customer could lose, ok its only a screw/bolt but it could cause some customers distress.

That doesn't look too painful, at least you don't have to climb around under the car to install. As mentioned, the 12V feed is a shame though. 

 

Apologies as I'm not especially technically-gifted, but does this tuning box affect every mode on the car or limited to sport?  Do you have any figures for how this affected MPG?

All modes as I understand it, although if somehow if could only be applied to Sport mode that would be fantastic.

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That doesn't look too painful, at least you don't have to climb around under the car to install. As mentioned, the 12V feed is a shame though. 

 

All modes as I understand it, although if somehow if could only be applied to Sport mode that would be fantastic.

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there is a prototype kicking around in germany of a new 3/2/1 channel module that doesn't require the 12v power supply and offers external adjustment of the maps/settings.

 

but this is a few months away yet.

Hi Andrew, bit off topic but im wondering, if i get a box from you for my petrol mkiii, is it then re-mappable if i buy a diesel in 3 years time or do i sell with the car and buy a new box?

Hi Andrew, bit off topic but im wondering, if i get a box from you for my petrol mkiii, is it then re-mappable if i buy a diesel in 3 years time or do i sell with the car and buy a new box?

 

The diesel use kits called CRD09/CRD10 the majority of our petrol kits use a system called FSR which isn't suitable for the diesels :( So if you went to a derv then as  things currently stand you would need a new kit.

 

Now if you were driving an Audi S4/S5 then you could transfer that to a diesel as they use the CRD09.

 

I could of probably given you a simple yes or no answer, but I'm freezing so i thought id try and defrost my fingers

Edited 14 November, 201312 yr by Andrew@DTUK