Hi! I know from reading a few threads that the vRS has an unhealthy appetite for oil. Recently I purchased a 10 plate vRS from a Skoda Dealership with 21,000 miles on the clock. I have had it for about 5 weeks and I've done about 1,500 miles, today the oil light came on so I obviously pulled over and checked dipstick - literally dry. Fortunately (given the unhealthy appetite) I was already carrying some oil in the boot, so I was able to top up.

Just really want to get an idea from other owners what is normal; I mean surely it shouldn't be eating that much oil in 1,500 miles? I've got it booked in with the dealer on Friday - it's under warranty but I really don't want a car that's consumed so much in such a short period. Would be grateful for any adice people could offer,

Thanks

Welcome to the forum.

 

Did you check it 1500 miles ago, do you know it had the correct quantity of oil in when you got the car.

Were you carrying Oil and topping up, and sure you were at the right level?

 

So how many miles since you last put oil in and it showed the correct level?

 

george

1500 miles, you got a good one    Welcome to the forum.

Hi George,

Thanks for the reply. I did check the oil after I had it for about 200 miles and oil was middle of the dip-stick; slap bang where it should be.

Wasn't topping the car up as didn't realise it was losing/eating the stuff until the light came on!

Thanks Pete

Hey James! Hope it's not that bad.... :/

They will say the acceptable usage is 0.5 litres of oil in 1000 km (621 miles),

 

That is nonsense though, you will need to get them to do a Proper Official Oil Consumption Test.

 

Find out from them if it has already had Warranty Work, a Oil Consumption Test Done or a Breather Mod.

 

Then you need  to know if it had a ECU Update already at the 1 year Minor Service or the 2 Year Major Service,

 

Has it had the 3 year Minor Service done?

 

george

 

Not saying any in the link is a problem on your car,

but to let you see it might need a ECU update if not done.

Sounds like you have an Oil Users though.

Hey James! Hope it's not that bad.... :/

Ours was about 700 miles to a litre, however after breather modification and remap it now does about the same as yours 1500 miles, as this is deemed acceptable by SUK, I am running it HOWEVER, I have noticed short journeys and driving steady seems to use more oil, a good run and pushing along briskly oil consumption goes down.

 

 It is a known fact that these twin charge motors use oil although there are some that don't but not many. 

They will say the acceptable usage is 0.5 litres of oil in 1000 km (621 miles),

That is nonsense though, you will need to get them to do a Proper Official Oil Consumption Test.

Find out from them if it has already had Warranty Work, a Oil Consumption Test Done or a Breather Mod.

Then you need to know if it had a ECU Update already at the 1 year Minor Service or the 2 Year Major Service,

Has it had the 3 year Minor Service done?

george

Not saying any in the link is a problem on your car,

but to let you see it might need a ECU update if not done.

Sounds like you have an Oil Users though.

It's had its third year minor service done next due in 8000 miles or June. Thanks for the info will query the dealer regards ECU updates - is it actually a defect? Ie do it have any recourse with them for supplying me with goods that are not fit for purpose?

How many of the 2200 in the UK use oil at 0.5 litres per 621 miles other than the faulty ones, ?

 

About 20% possibly, 

You can get a new engine, because stuff buying a 3 year old car & getting a 12 month Warranty then ending up with a gubbed engine.

 

george

 

EDIT,

you will possibly have recourse to reject the car.
Skoda UK will know it is wrong,  

& if you bought a car that has had a Re-map, they can reject the Warranty on it.

They did recently to a member on here. He bought a car and the engine failed. They said it had been mapped.

He had the car taken back by the dealer, because the car was on Finance.

 

If you bought a Skoda Approved Used Car, they should not be able to reject if Previously Remaped and showing that,

if they can check now, they should check before a dealer sells the car.

Ours was about 700 miles to a litre, however after breather modification and remap it now does about the same as yours 1500 miles, as this is deemed acceptable by SUK, I am running it HOWEVER, I have noticed short journeys and driving steady seems to use more oil, a good run and pushing along briskly oil consumption goes down.

It is a known fact that these twin charge motors use oil although there are some that don't but not many.

What is it that causes the poor consumption then?

my new CTHE engine (the improved one! lol...) used about 0.5 litres every 3,000 miles.... my old (CAVE , bad rings blarg blarg) used nothing lol.....

 

edit: I havent caned the new one as much as I did the old one though pmsl......

Edited 2 December, 201312 yr by sharkrider

What is it that causes the poor consumption then?

Lots of reasons apparently, from EGR issues, or it could be glazed cylinder bores but one thing for sure, there is never any smoke! So personally I think it is oil passing the control rings, VAG use a plasma thing for dressing the cylinder bores making them very hard and resistant to wear because this is a very hard surface it takes time to make a good seal with the oil control rings, this is my possible theory although I was told by a guy in the dealership it is EGR related.

 

 My attitude is that the car has warranty, it also has history of repairs/modifications from Skoda so if it goes wrong they can have it back, end of next year it will be going and be replaced with something else.

How many of the 2200 in the UK use oil at 0.5 litres per 621 miles other than the faulty ones, ?

About 20% possibly,

You can get a new engine, because stuff buying a 3 year old car & getting a 12 month Warranty then ending up with a gubbed engine.

george

EDIT,

you will possibly have recourse to reject the car.

Skoda UK will know it is wrong,

& if you bought a car that has had a Re-map, they can reject the Warranty on it.

They did recently to a member on here. He bought a car and the engine failed. They said it had been mapped.

He had the car taken back by the dealer, because the car was on Finance.

If you bought a Skoda Approved Used Car, they should not be able to reject if Previously Remaped and showing that,

if they can check now, they should check before a dealer sells the car.

It was a Skoda Approved car with a years warranty, so I would hope if it has had a remap they would be aware prior to the sale.

Should I accept any repair on it or push to reject it? I don't want to be in a position where they continually try fixes but nothing works...

Wouldn't mind but it wasn't cheap!

I would be wanting a new engine if the Oil Consumption test shows it is not within their acceptable limits.

Their test is pants though.

 

You will be wanting a '2 Year' Complimentary 'Extended Warranty'

i hope if you accept repairs or remedial work being done.

 

First check tomorrow with Skoda UK Customer Services the cars History and any Warranty work that it has had,

they will tell you,  

the Dealer can as well, but i would ask Skoda UK first rather.   Get the answer, then ask them.

 

george

I would be wanting a new engine if the Oil Consumption test shows it is not within their acceptable limits.

Their test is pants though.

You will be wanting a '2 Year' Complimentary 'Extended Warranty'

i hope if you accept repairs or remedial work being done.

george

Thanks for your advice George, I knew it wasn't acceptable but didn't really know where I stood. Will let you know how I get, it's booked in for Friday but I'm going to go down and speak to them tomorrow.

Cheers Pete

Mines a 13 plate, it used a lt after 4,500 and a further lt after another 2,000. Spoke to the dealer when I picked up some oil and they won't touch it till it's a lt every 600 miles.

The performance economy mix of the engine is great, however I think they just tuned it too much to 180bhp. If you can accept the oil into the running costs of the car and you enjoy it then I think you have to accept it.

I panicked when the oil light came on again and considered changing cars and for the money there is still nothing out there that compares.

As George said - check the cars history with suk. Has it had the breather mod or oil consumption tests? Is it even still on the original engine?

Id get the consumption tests done ASAP and if it fails try to reject.

Good luck!

As George said - check the cars history with suk. Has it had the breather mod or oil consumption tests? Is it even still on the original engine?

Id get the consumption tests done ASAP and if it fails try to reject.

Good luck!

Sorry just so I'm clear what does their consumption test entail? Empty all the oil; refill to the manufacturer's specified volume; drive for a given distance; drain oil and measure remaining volume? Thanks Pete

They measure weight, not volume (and don't always get the calculation right...).

 

Quick tip - if you do undergo the oil consumptions test DON'T be tempted to do a long drive to get the 600 (300) miles.  Use it normally.  Use it for short trips - even ones you might not normally do (post box).  It won't do the oil any favours but it's only going to be in there for 600 miles.

 

Noting from others with oil consumption issues, those doing lots of short journeys seem to suffer more than those who do long ones.  Just my observation.

Certainly looks like the second owners are starting to get effected by these oil burners ! , like George and others have said get the history of repairs or other done to this car, warranty does last for ever so strike whilst the iron is hot ! All the best

Another member on Briskoda had an Oil Consumption test done,

& they said in the report  that it it not use too much oil.

 

They charged him for doing the test. £137.28  (I hope he has now been refunded & compensated.)

 

*This is the report. Linked below on the left.

 

some might know that the correct capacity is 3.6 litres of oil.

1 litre of engine oil is 856 grams @ 15*oC

a litre of Engine oil still in a bottle weighs about 900 grams

 

Yet they seem to think 1 litre of oil weighs 1000 grams,   so they do not even start the test with the correct amount of oil if the did weigh it.

It does not weigh 1000 grams at 88*oC either.

*Skoda Dealership Technicians often not fit for purpose.*

 

The 2 old Sheets on the right are how you would do a proper Oil Consumption/usage test, a Dynamic Test.

Still just a short driving Test and Multiply the results to equate to 1000 km or so.

 

They say 'may use 0.5 litres per 1000 km',

 so unless a car is being used over 621 miles and needs more than 0.5 litres to top up,

or 1242 or more to see if it uses over 0.5 litres or 1 litre,

tell them to forget their Tests as they are not representative  of real world driving

when just being done as 300km or 100km of driving and then multiplied.

 

If you know it uses more than 1 litre every 1200 miles, of normal UK driving 

you know they can not say all is OK.

Another member on Briskoda had an Oil Consumption test done,

& they said in the report that it it not use too much oil.

They charged him for doing the test. £137.28 (I hope he has now been refunded & compensated.)

*This is the report. Linked below on the left.

some might know that the correct capacity is 3.6 litres of oil.

1 litre of engine oil is 856 grams @ 15*oC

a litre of Engine oil still in a bottle weighs about 900 grams

Yet they seem to think 1 litre of oil weighs 1000 grams, so they do not even start the test with the correct amount of oil if the did weigh it.

*Skoda Dealership Technicians often not fit for purpose.*

The 2 old Sheets on the right are how you would do a proper Oil Consumption/usage test, a Dynamic Test.

Still just a short driving Test and Multiply the results to equate to 1000 km or so.

They say 'may use 0.5 litres per 1000 km',

so unless a car is being used over 621 miles 1242 or more to see if it uses over 0.5 litres or 1 litre,

tell them to forget their Tests, they \are not reprasentitive of real world driving.

If you know it uses more than 1 litre every 1200 miles, of normal UK driving

you know they can not say all is OK.

Thanks for the info - just spoken with Skoda UK. It had warranty work carried out in Feb 2012 for cracked piston rings. Think I'm going to drive down to the dealership today and have a word with them

Hi peter,

I brought a 2nd hand vrs and got stuck with a oil drinker, there was no history of any repairs done to it so previous owner must of just got rid rather than have it sorted.

Mine was using 0.9 litre every 621 mile according to the skoda consumption test, had breather mod which dropped it to 0.6 litre. The next step was a new remap by them which alters how the engine warms up from cold start, this was done and measured last month and come back at 0.3 litre every 621 mile which they say is acceptable. I have accepted this and don't mind topping that bit up as a lot of my miles are short as it only 10 mile to work from my house. I found mine uses less on long runs tho.

One thing I will say is log a complaint with SUK as I did could they were good in my case and I ended up with half price service and free warranty for all the hassle, so worth a moan haha.

peter6edwards,

That was a Bottom Engine Rebuild or a new Short Engine that it got.

 

The car needs a new Engine fitted or reject.

 

I would reject, the engine has been out once already.

the DSG could end up suffering.

 

I have a car with a rebuilt by 'Skoda' Engine, not Piston Rings fitted in some Dealership Workshop,

 and it is perfect for 22,000 miles since the rebuild.

But i knew it had been rebuilt.

The price paid reflected the cars history, as it should.

Car fixed and perfect, then no need to be cheap, but some are around that are cheap, yet perfect.

 

Now many buyers are getting cars that Skoda have not written up the Service Book with the Information Owners/Buyers require.,

Engine Rebuilds or new engines.

 

We have been pointing out for 18 months that this will become an issue.

These oil threads do seem to run and run don't they!

 

 Personally, I think I have struck a good deal with SUK, free oil, this works for me, SUK insist no damage is being done to the engine or CAT with the higher oil consumption and this for me is ok, all complaints have been logged and if anything further does become an issue I can always refer back to the history of the car.