I know there is another thread regarding the new laws. Was just wondering what the opinion is of the people who has had it removed? Sell up quick? Ignore and see what happens? Or replace?

Not me, I have had two cars in the last five years. Audi A4 and Yeti. Audi had a DPF sensor fail and was replaced under warranty but apart from that both cars have performed really well but they are well used, Audi did 138,000 miles in three years and Yeti has 102,000 miles on it after 28 months.

James that's a lot of mileage

There will be a specific test no doubt!, if they've been tampered it will fail its mot and will not be issued a pass until fixed ,

It is, maybe this is why I have never had an issue with a DPF as it never gets time to cool down 

Im not worried at all

And decats I understand.

Im not worried at all

Nor me.

Not worried, glad I bought a Fabia though.. Still, infuriated by the notion of 'European emission standards', and that the Government seems to be adopting the harshest parts of EU standards while refusing to extend the service interval as the EU proposed.. but that's another rant for another day.. 

What service intervals,?

The UK has no requirement for Private Passenger vehicles to have any servicing or maintenance done ever!

 

Do you mean the First MOT at 4 years from first registered then each 2 years as was planned.  then dropped ?

 

Considering how many vehicles fail the first MOT after 3 years, 

and how bad UK Maintenance and servicing is, where People seem to thing Service and Maintenance is a Oil & Filter change

& wheels might never be off a car for many years,

thank goodness the test comes after 3 years.

 

Considering how bad some PDI's are that UK Dealerships carry out,

i would have a 'Professional Vehicle Inspection' mandatory every 12 months, or 15,000 miles in the UK.

People do not even check their own tyre pressures these days , they think the TPMS does it,

or even spot they have faulty bulbs or lighting.

Even when vehicles have systems to show bulbs out.

 

The UK MOT is about as easy as it can be,

present a safe vehicle, with the things all checked, and a degree of attention to the vehicle and they pass.

 

george

MOT is a joke!  For example, my wife owns a Fabia VRS, it was bought brand new in 2011 and when it is three years old will have an MOT, the car will have approximately 10,000 miles on it. 

 My Yeti was bought 2011 and in three years from new will go for an MOT, same as the Fabia, however the big difference is that it will have 135,000 miles on it.

 Do you think the MOT should done at set mileage intervals instead of time?  based on the above scenario?

I would think so.

But proper Test & Inspection Stations, simple drive in, drive out properly looked over.

Official, properly Equiped not at some Private Owners Expense.

No big hassle,

Kind of Northern Ireland type thing, but only more Honest.

 

Like UK VOSA Stations now that you can go to and have a Test, Inspection, IVA's etc done at now.

 

george

My Dad lived out in Arizona, no MOT there but if you run in to a fast fit for a tyre and they see something that needs repairing or replacing they have the power to keep your car until you pay for the repair!

No, i still think 1 year is adequate, despite some high mileage vehicles. Admittedly the low mileage vehicles probably wont deteriorate as much, but there are some items that will still deteriorate. Its fair enough i think, and even those high mileage cars are unlikely to go downhill too much in 1yr.

Also, how can they tell that the vehicle has a valid MOT? Right now, if you go to tax a vehicle online, they can tell if the vehicle has an in date MOT. Cant be done if you go by mileage. Even if they asked for your mileage, you could lie when taxing it.

You say the MOT is a joke? Well go to somewhere where there arent such things to worry about, and you will be very grateful of the MOT. It may not be the strictest around, but it is pretty fair, and its something we should be grateful of overall.

James I,

We have them here, 

Fast Flit Dancers / Chancers / Romancers,

 

Some do MOT's,

you can fail on Dampers & Exhausts there, where another MOT station gives an Advisory on the same item..

 

They also offer an Oil & Filter Change along with a Winter Safety Check,

and then forget to actually Inspect anything on the Vehicle except,

Tyres, Exhaust & Dampers.

Fluids, washer, wipers etc all ignored

 

george

Considering that cars deteriorate more based upon mileage than time period, I think MOT's based on mileage would be a better Idea.. Albeit implementation would be the bigger issue..

 

A vehicle could be presented with a timing belt 3 years and 40k overdue a change and it could still pass an MOT.. While If another vehicle was meticulously maintained and serviced but had an EGR system removed and this threw up a fault light.. That vehicle would now fail.. It seems some of these changes are geared more towards ensuring you car is factory spec rather than ensuring its a safe, serviceable vehicle.. 

One of many reasons i left diesel and it will take something special to get me back to derv

Johnoo92,

 

Do you see some of the cr4p conditions vehicles are driven to MOT test stations in for a test, or to see what it will fail on.?

 

Wait till the Euro 6 Emissions comes in and the first vehicles need testing,

that would have been 2017/18 if Germany were not trying to delay now.

 

Cars with everything listed, Factory weights, Factory Options fitted,  Applicable Noise Levels as now appear on our V5's, .

 ECU's that can be plugged in to check, the Map etc. as happens in many States of the USA.

 

Far fetched,

but it was Piloted on M/Cycles in the UK at some Test Stations already before they dropped the plans for the First MOT at 4 years.

 

So Test Stations Logging in as they do now.

Scan the Vehicles VIN,  Brake & Emission test, Weigh, and check the ECU, so simple.

(DVLA can be notified of a non standard vehicle and then it flags up not insured as declared etc.)

Even Tyres tread, width, noise can be checked on the Rollers and Sensors.

(As they have been doing as trials on the Public Highways for a few years now.)

Web Cam observing the Test Bay,

, VOSA Call Centre on the Line if any doubt on any parts fitted, modified Exhaust etc.

 

Luckily Politicians & Civil Servants in the UK are still often  car nuts. collectors etc and like to thumb a nose at the EU.

Why we have Tax Exempt and now more MOT exempt vehicles,

they like old cars and bikes as well.

 

george

MOT is a joke!  For example, my wife owns a Fabia VRS, it was bought brand new in 2011 and when it is three years old will have an MOT, the car will have approximately 10,000 miles on it. 

 My Yeti was bought 2011 and in three years from new will go for an MOT, same as the Fabia, however the big difference is that it will have 135,000 miles on it.

 Do you think the MOT should done at set mileage intervals instead of time?  based on the above scenario?

Chances are they're fleet and so will be serviced regularly and any defects found and sorted.

Not me. I've got the CR engine in mine and it gets plenty of decent length runs. And the fact that I've been doing some calculations and the octy might not be staying with me for much longer.

MOT is a joke!  For example, my wife owns a Fabia VRS, it was bought brand new in 2011 and when it is three years old will have an MOT, the car will have approximately 10,000 miles on it. 

 My Yeti was bought 2011 and in three years from new will go for an MOT, same as the Fabia, however the big difference is that it will have 135,000 miles on it.

 Do you think the MOT should done at set mileage intervals instead of time?  based on the above scenario?

 

I think that the MOT system should be similar to the service schedule of a car. Yearly or after x amount of miles. Anyone flouting the rule would easily be picked up since the vehicle mileage is noted at every MOT.

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10,000 mile 3 year old cars can fail the MOT, I know because I've failed a few.  It's not the age or mileage, it's how well it's looked after, I had a car in at 193,000 miles on its first MOT which passed without advisories.

 

I could get stressed over DPF removal, especially if I fail one and it goes to appeal or if I passed one and a new owner appealed, I can't win.

 

The mileage field is not mandatory on the MOT.  If it gets missed there is no prompt to fill it in and 'not displayed' gets entered automatically.

The mileage field is not mandatory on the MOT.  If it gets missed there is no prompt to fill it in and 'not displayed' gets entered automatically.

 

I never knew that. Every days a school day on Brisky    I just thought that it was madatory since every MOT certificate that I have ever seen has had the mileage filled in. It wouldn't take much to change that rule tho.

I think that the MOT system should be similar to the service schedule of a car. Yearly or after x amount of miles. Anyone flouting the rule would easily be picked up since the vehicle mileage is noted at every MOT.

 

Would that be fixed or variable service?

 

10,000 or 18,000 miles

 

I do approx. 30,000 miles p.a.

 

Does it get MOT'd 3 times, twice or once a year?

 

Suppose I change work patterns and only do 10,000 next year. Or maybe do 45,000?

 

My Superb is 6.5 years old and has 196,000 miles on the clock, always passed 1st time, never had an advisory.

Variable servicing throughout, plus other things as noticed (suspension joint, brakes, DPF top-up etc.)

 

Against her, I've got acquaintances with 3, 4 and 5 year old cars with 10,000 - 20,000 which have failed previous (e.g. First) MOT's and which I wouldn't buy if bribed.

Would that be fixed or variable service?

 

10,000 or 18,000 miles

 

I do approx. 30,000 miles p.a.

 

Does it get MOT'd 3 times, twice or once a year?

 

Suppose I change work patterns and only do 10,000 next year. Or maybe do 45,000?

 

My Superb is 6.5 years old and has 196,000 miles on the clock, always passed 1st time, never had an advisory.

Variable servicing throughout, plus other things as noticed (suspension joint, brakes, DPF top-up etc.)

 

Against her, I've got acquaintances with 3, 4 and 5 year old cars with 10,000 - 20,000 which have failed previous (e.g. First) MOT's and which I wouldn't buy if bribed.

 

The x miles would be stipulated by vosa/who ever deals with MOT's but I recon that 20000 miles would be a reasonable amount to set the intervals. Plus the first MOT would be done at 3 years/60000 miles whichever comes first.

 

For you doing 30000 miles a year you would have to get a MOT done 20000 miles after the previous one and the miles/year counter would be reset to 0. Effectively you would have a year with 1 MOT followed by a year with 2 MOT's followed by a year with 1 MOT etc etc. That is based on you doing 30000 miles a year.