But these are the people who are surprised and annoyed when their car fails an mot because they bald tyres or the alignment is so far out they have worn the outer two inches down to the canvas. If they didn't have tpms they would never check the tyres anyway. They drive around with windscreen wipers so knackered they have scored the windscreen. At least if a light comes up on the dash they may actually do something. Mind you there are plenty that wouldn't even bother then.

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& the MOT failures and scrappage are more and more now because of a light on a dash not going out.

another 5 years and plenty of cars from around 2006-2010 cars will be off to the Recycling Yard.

 

Amazing already how many are now trying to get lights off (disabled) on dashes, ABS, Air Bags and the likes,

in the hope the MOT tester is not going to spot them.

 

george

I think the opposite is true George. You still see lots of cars on the roads that are 12 or 15 years old. You see lots of cars that have done 120-150K miles.

 

When started driving (37 years ago!!) a can was fit for scrap at 60K and 5 or 6 years old.

12-15 year old cars are not from 2006-2010 though.

 

pre 2006-7 is the way to go, for private buyers buying 2nd cars or keepers.

some of the nicest cars IMO. enough standard fitments and safety devices installed without unreliable & expensive to repair frills,

They are the ones i see often looking the best, and best kept, where people that maybe know about cars park theirs.

 

and almost certainly pre Euro 5 Emissions, so really before 2010 or when that model was still Euro 4.

 

george

Actually the feature of having your foot on the clutch to start is a good idea.

 

Everyone should start a vehicle like this. Reduced wear on the starter and flywheel etc as well as the added safety benefit... the stick may be in neutral but there could actually be a problem with the mechanism or box and it could still be actually in gear for all you know.

 

Phil

 

 Is it the manufacturer's way of trying to get more life out of DMF?!

 

 Modern cars are too clever for their own good and I think it does diminish standards of driving to an extent. People not checking blind spots and relying on wide angle mirrors, driving too close too fast and expecting ABS to stop them in a short distance- I know the mrs waits for the car to tell her that it could icy rather than using sense! I've also seen folk using DRL in the dark with no rear lights and reliance on auto-lights and wipers drives me mad if SWMBO is driving. 

& the MOT failures and scrappage are more and more now because of a light on a dash not going out.

another 5 years and plenty of cars from around 2006-2010 cars will be off to the Recycling Yard.

 

Amazing already how many are now trying to get lights off (disabled) on dashes, ABS, Air Bags and the likes,

in the hope the MOT tester is not going to spot them.

 

george

 

 

 I'm not so sure about this, as slider says at 60,000 miles cars were once scrap. Skud has 140k on the clock, Passat 100k and they're still very much alive and well. 

It depends on the tech that's in the cars I think and just how well engineered they are. There are planes in active service that are decades old and there's far more packed into them than the average motor. If the technology is tried and tested then there's no reason why cars won't live as long, if not longer than ever before. 

One of Clarkson's better ideas was to replace the airbag with a big metal spike. It would help to focus the driver's attention.

There were old cars that were scrap, but lots that went on and are going on for ever with a little TLC,

but not to my memory that many that were gubbed at 60,000 miles or anything like it, or at a few years old.

(Yes the Maxi's were bad, and a few others from BL/Rootes/Chrysler)

But the majority of cars lasted for decades and are still around in there thousands.

& they got welded if needs must.

I started working on and repairing them in the 70's, and these were cars from the 60's and before.

Huge amounts of vehicles were exported from the UK and are still in use around the world.

Cars from the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90,s, not all new cars exported, used cars leaving the UK as well.

 

The UK Government Scrappage scheme '2009' sadly had many r Reg and older perfectly good cars being scrapped to get someone £2000 towards some crap Hyundai i20 with a 7 year Warranty. or Aygo, C1, 107, etc

They might actually last well, rather than some of the Citroen Picassos that some used the 2 grand  to put towards.

http://autotrader.co.uk/scrappage/scrappage.jsp

 

My X Reg Saxo Desire is going to get scrapped this spring,

45,000 miles only, 1 careful owner & many not careful drivers,

and externally looks great, and runs great, but really now just not safe enough to be worth keeping on the road.

(just past its best.) Generally not the safest, it never has been from new.

 

george

Modern cars could probably last a long time. But who wants to pay £1500 for a DPF replacement on a car that's worth maybe £2000 or similar for a DMF. Or even run a car that needs £500 of sensors every year.

 

I think the days of million mile cars are behind us.

Most people just want a box to get from A to B.

As comfortably and easily as possible.

Give most non-car people a 30 year old car with a manual choke, manual and no power steering and they'd be horrified.

 My car has all the mod cons, even has indicators that flash so that you don't have to turn them on and off on and off on and off...

 

George, come on - how many escorts, chevettes, allegros's, Nissan Sunny's ect ect do you still see about!

You are right.

Yes lots of them were cheap sh!te. But some are crackers. 

Many went off to the Scrappage, and the Allegro was just like the Maxi, BL, Britain and its Decade of the crazy car Industry.

Ford Ka, built like Disposable Lighters, just as many things were in the Late 70's, & 80's & into the 90's.

Loads of money times.  Easy come, easy go.

 

I see quite a lot of them, but those are at car shows & club events. Looked after and lots going for them..

Easy to work on, and still parts readily available sat on the shelf.

Funny how very few year old cars have back order for parts and can sit for weeks waiting on the siimplest of bits to be supplied.

 

george

Even though you talk utter crap sometimes, I do actually still quite like you. 

 

Even though you talk crap all of the time, you're not so bad either

I am Grumpy, but that has nothing to do with what lights 'Special People' need or think they need.

But, Happy not to live on the Dark Side of the moon, where car lights need special enhancement for use on the road.

Or that place driving in town where there are hidden dangers and need a Single Fog light to help the visually impaired see.

 

Come on George, it's Christmas Eve for God's sake, drop the tirade - at least for one night?

 

Merry Christmas :think:

What is so funny about that post is post #37 & # 43. & these above posted tonight,  that would be you i think.

You like your lights, why bother what others, or even i think.

 

Merry Christmas.

Oh no there isn't! 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/user/8865-mr-grumpy/

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/user/8865-mr-grumpy/

Piff.

 

5000 odd posts in 7 years, as against 7000+ posts from THE grump of the forum ^^^ 22 months.

 

No contest..

 

I could call myself Mr Happy or Mr Tecnogeek, but it wouldn't mean I am. 

You can disable the airbag warning light and it'll be fine for a MOT.  On a modern car you're increasingly in control of less things.  By operating the things that you think control bits of the car, all you're doing is issuing an instruction to a computer which will actuate the thing that you think you're controlling.

 

When was the last time you opened up a throttle on a car by pressing the accelerator pedal without the intervention of a computer?

I'm thankful for features such as ABS and ESP which has saved many people. Now I drive DSG I do feel less attached but I still enjoy driving it even if it means driving in a different way. I still heel and toe if I drive a manual purely because it's fun and satisfying when I get it right.

What is so funny about that post is post #37 & # 43. & these above posted tonight,  that would be you i think.

You like your lights, why bother what others, or even i think.

 

Merry Christmas.

 

Notice how one of the other grumps likes my posts? This suggests to me he has a sense of humour and doesn't take the tirade quite so seriously. Personal pops turn into a bit of light-hearted and jovial fun. It's hard to convey using the written word but Mr Ree has shown he's up for a laugh. My three-legged race comment could easily have been one of the usual defensive lighting posts but in light of the members who were participating in this read it would be pointless. 

 

Then in stomps George with his size tens. Knowing full well that lighting in particular divides opinion you were quite happy to mention that those who quite like cornering fog lights are visually impaired. Unnecessary, a long way off the mark and quite frankly it's now getting boring.

 

Yawn.

 

A New Years resolution opportunity? By all means continue to let us know your distaste on all things bright and twinkly but how about less of the unpleasant comments towards those that aren't of the same opinion?

 

Ho, ho, ho!

Even though you talk crap all of the time, you're not so bad either

Go swivel with yer winking fog lights you.  :moon:

Edited 25 December, 201312 yr by Mr Ree

I'll give George some credit, his labelling of cornering fog lights as T-W-A-T (this way and that) lights made me chuckle! 

Now now people, let's not turn this into a slagging match. If you cant take posts with a large pinc os salt and find someone's posts boring or offensive it is simple to block that users posts.

Brake assist really worries me though, It's great in concept as it can react quicker to events such as children jumping out into the road.. But how complacent will drivers become when they believe their car will brake for them..?

Maybe I've got brake assist and pre-sense mixed up but brake assist just applies the brakes fully. This is a genuine safety feature because most people don't actually press the brake pedal hard enough to get the full emergency stop.

We've had at least one driver in this thread state they don't depress the clutch fully because it's too far for their leg so do you really think they'll get maximum pressure on the brakes?

Pre-sense is a much more nebulous concept in that it uses the various sensors on the car (road-sign camera, active cruise radar, infra-red camera) to decide if you are going to hit something and get the car ready for hitting it. I suspect I'd rather have it than not have it on balance though. I'm not getting any younger or sharper!

I'm thankful for features such as ABS and ESP which has saved many people. Now I drive DSG I do feel less attached but I still enjoy driving it even if it means driving in a different way. I still heel and toe if I drive a manual purely because it's fun and satisfying when I get it right.

As has been pointed out already, heel & toe and left foot braking doesn't work on anything VAG built since about 2005. When you depress the brake pedal, the throttle shuts down. When you depress the clutch pedal, revs are limited to 1800-2000rpm depending on the model and year of manufacture.

Unless you have the Shark Performance Track Mode remap