VW have announced a Polo R: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/polo/first-drives/volkswagen-polo-r-prototype-first-drive-review

 

One wonders if the technology will filter down to the Skoda and Seat equivalent models?

My life that looks a tasy little car.

 

4 wheel drive

DSG

2.0 litre engine putting out 250bhp from stock

Multi link rear suspension

 

Yum

Its wonderful and just like the Audi A1/S1 that has been trailed for ages now.

And they talked about £25,000 when thats highly unlikely to be a figure that can be right when a A1 1.4TSI 185 ps cost very near that now with any spec..

 

 

But the Polo R WRC name and mixing up with terms like Polo R prototype is all very odd.

&

where do they get a figure like £21,000 to mention in this article about a 2.0 Litre DSG AWD Polo.?

 

Challenging a Fiesta ST from £17,500, or a Clio RS Turbo, or a Pug at around £20,000 might be easy enough.

But if they can sell a car as described in the article for within a couple of grand of those,

when a Polo GTI already costs more than that now again with any spec, that will be just amazing.

 

george

They'll probably never bring this to the fabia, even if they do say the next one will take from the current s2000.  My betting is it will be a Polo/Ibiza only implementation as Skoda isn't/won't be allowed to have a model that lary 

 

Sounds very nice though! 

Edited 23 January, 201412 yr by Gumby

I thought Skoda were going Rallying with the R5 engines which are 1.6 Turbo.

 

They are hardly likely to carry on Rallying a Mk2 Fabia Body S2000 when they have MK3 Fabia or Rapid Spaceback cars on sale in showrooms.

http://autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111744

 

http://whatcar.com/car-news/seat-leon-cupra-cupra-280-revealed/1226014

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/audi/a1/85317/audi-s1-confirmed-geneva-motor-show

We will see a 1.6 turbo Fabia MK3 vRS, probably with an output of 220hp - well that is what I want to believe

I thought Skodas last statment regarding the fabia was no VRS model??? Infact wasnt someone qouted as follows "if you want a VRS get an octavia"

Shame really as to me it seems Skoda target demograpgphic is growing and the stigma of the brand is nearly gone...

Me personally id love to see a Fabia and Rapid VRS (it would be nice to see a rapid vrs take shape from its concept but i doubt if they produced one it would be that "out there")

And a 3 door fabia. Because as much as i love my fabia i still find my self looking at things like fiestas polos and ibiza and thinking 3 door snall hatch backs look great.

I font know where its skoda themselves not wanting to expand the range of VRS' or wethee VW are holding them back?? Which reminds id of love to seen the result of a supeb with the 3.0TDI engine and a DSG lol

God that Polo looks boring - it just looks like a miniature Golf. Sporty version...? Looks like a 1.0l bore-fest. These car designers need sacking, because today's cars are getting very samey and bland. What's the point in spending hard money on something top spec, when you just blend in with everyone else?

 

THIS looks sporty:

 

 

 

THIS looks b******s:

 

 

 

(Yes I realise one is a Lupo, but I'm pointing out what VW used to be capable of)

 

Even my Corsa GSi looks more sporty than that heap of crap... and that's only got 106bhp! :wonder:

Top spec, top handling, top performance and blend in with everyone else is exactly what many want.

Q Cars.

Dropping the 'vRS' thing seems like a good idea, as it is Skoda have discredited that anyway,

many would not want a car with that on it, even if they do want a nippy car.

 

Plastic Trim, Spoilers, Stickers, alloy wheels, leather trim and mild performance, 'Functionality' ('practicality')

is what Dr Winifried Vahland Skoda CEO seems to think what UK buyers want, Show and no go.

 

**NUMBER ONE "FUNCTIONALITY" PROBABLY IS AN ENGINE WITH WHICH YOU DO NOT CONSTANTLY NEED TO MONITOR
OIL USEAGE,

OR GO BACK AND FORE TO DEALERS BEFORE HAVING A NEW ENGINE FITTED.**

So,

DR. WINFRIED  VAHLAND should keep that in mind. 

SKODA FAIL!

The Doctor might want to give it a little thought,

'The people can afford the engine, the insurance is low, it is VAG that are paying lots to replace engines because their Quality Control on parts is poor, and they have Engine Design issues.'

http://topgear.com/uk/car-news/skoda-fabia-vrs-is-no-more-skoda-suv-coming-2013-08-21

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/frankfurt-motor-show/skoda-fabia-vrs-axed

This articles 'comment page' has comments on the Oil Usage from some Briskoda Members.

 

(not long after this announcement about the end of the vRS, another Technical Development Director said something different from the Skoda CEO, about giving customers what they want, and how they like to build them.)

 

Funnily of the 66,000 Skoda sold in the UK last years, with 21,000 being Fabias, 

there were about 800 vRS only, but also only 1-2,000 Monte Carlos.

So it seems most want nice cooking models at good value, not just bling and useless tat added.

 

An option of a Hot hatch, with a bit of style, but also handling. power & reliability and they will be onto winner.

Choice of Petrol or Diesel, Manual or Automatic, light with around 160-200 ps, and they might have the sales they want in the UK.

 

george

Dr Vahland would appear to be right about plastic spoilers and the like as more Montes have been sold in a shorter period of time than vRSs.

The vRS was a badly executed attempt at a hot hatch just like the new Clio RS is now, Skoda have admitted that it's been a sales disaster where as the Monte isn't and I'm not just saying that because I have one as it was an Ibiza I originally went looking for.

If Skoda do decide to make a Fabia Mk3 hot hatch then they need to have a 1.6 turbo with a 6 speed manual box and lighter weight as proven by Ford and Peugeot if they want to succeed.

Look how many Corsa SXIs and LEs you see on the road compared to GSIs and VRXs which is the same principle as the Monte is to the vRS.

God that Polo looks boring - it just looks like a miniature Golf. Sporty version...? Looks like a 1.0l bore-fest. These car designers need sacking, because today's cars are getting very samey and bland. What's the point in spending hard money on something top spec, when you just blend in with everyone else?

THIS looks sporty:

THIS looks b******s:

(Yes I realise one is a Lupo, but I'm pointing out what VW used to be capable of)

Even my Corsa GSi looks more sporty than that heap of crap... and that's only got 106bhp! :wonder:

I absolutely loved my Lupo GTi - only 995 sold in the UK so it makes the Fabia vRS look like a Model T by comparison. Sales or lack of mean nothing - the original Corsa was the best-selling car at one point and it was truly dreadful (I'm talking about the 1.0 and 1.2 models).

Aluminium wings and bonnet - think the only panel it shares with other Lupos is the tailgate - VW even made the windscreen from thinner glass to keep the weight down - that attention to detail in a small car just isn't going to happen again.

Dr Vahland would appear to be right about plastic spoilers and the like as more Montes have been sold in a shorter period of time than vRSs.

The vRS was a badly executed attempt at a hot hatch just like the new Clio RS is now, Skoda have admitted that it's been a sales disaster where as the Monte isn't and I'm not just saying that because I have one as it was an Ibiza I originally went looking for.

If Skoda do decide to make a Fabia Mk3 hot hatch then they need to have a 1.6 turbo with a 6 speed manual box and lighter weight as proven by Ford and Peugeot if they want to succeed.

Look how many Corsa SXIs and LEs you see on the road compared to GSIs and VRXs which is the same principle as the Monte is to the vRS.

If it I was "badly executed" then it's provided me with plenty of badly executed enjoyment at a bargain price.

I'm not saying it's not fun to drive but for Skoda it hasn't exactly been a runaway success and apart from the few drivers who know about the Fabia vRS then it seems to have been largely ignored.

Not all drivers want flappy paddle gearboxes as they're not as involving as a good manual stick, you only have to look at the new Clio RS compared to the old one with a normal gearbox.

The motoring press are waxing lyrical about the Fiesta ST and 208 GTI rather than the Clio and rightly so, both cars having a more standard 1.6 Turbo with manual box, no one is doing the same for the vRS, Polo GTI and Ibiza Cupra that's all I'm saying.

Look at the problems with oil usage on the vRS, yes it was a bargain for the technology you got but having to have new engines and rebuilds and stuff isn't exactly helping it's image.

I'm not saying it's not fun to drive but for Skoda it hasn't exactly been a runaway success and apart from the few drivers who know about the Fabia vRS then it seems to have been largely ignored.

Not all drivers want flappy paddle gearboxes as they're not as involving as a good manual stick, you only have to look at the new Clio RS compared to the old one with a normal gearbox.

The motoring press are waxing lyrical about the Fiesta ST and 208 GTI rather than the Clio and rightly so, both cars having a more standard 1.6 Turbo with manual box, no one is doing the same for the vRS, Polo GTI and Ibiza Cupra that's all I'm saying.

Look at the problems with oil usage on the vRS, yes it was a bargain for the technology you got but having to have new engines and rebuilds and stuff isn't exactly helping it's image.

No, but that's partly why you can pick up a bargain. They're not all lemons and with a five-year or extended warranty you get decent poke for low insurance and running costs.

I like the Fiesta but with my limited mileage I don't want to pay the price of a new one - plus I'm too old. As for the 208 my Francophobic prejudices would prohibit its purchase .

5 Door 180ps petrol automatic cars for around £16,000 are thin on the ground, and that includes from Ford & Peugoet.

There might be a limited amount of customers for them , but there have been around 6000 in the UK that are driving them.

 

How often are people going to miss the point.  

On the vRS, The Paddles behind the wheel are so small you might not notice them.

You might never use them, you have no reason to if you do no want.

 

There is a Manual Gear stick just not a manual clutch pedal to move your left leg up and down.

7 Gears to choose, 1 very low, but 6 usable ones to change manually if you want with the gear stick.

It is after all a 1.4 TSI S-A,  the S-A stands for Semi Automatic.

 

AudiVAG would like us to forget about the car that really sells so very few.

& i keep trying to get across, it is not 3 twinchargers from VAG, it is 4, they include the A1 185 ps

 

VAG are not saying much about their ACT/COD engines and the Polo Blue GT they are selling so few of in the UK.

 

A recent review.

http://www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/carreviews/252097/vw-plo-gti-review.html

but then the good reviews on the Twinchargers have been more common again recently as Journalists 

attempt to help VAG shift the last of the cars.

The good reviews & the not so good, from 2010 on can be seen at the top of the page in this forum that links them.

 

george

Skoda are in the business of selling high volume cars to as many types of customers as possible.

You're right in saying there isn't much around like the vRS for £16000 and there are plenty of happy vRS owners which I'm not disputing but it's expensive technology for VAG to produce so not economically viable to sell in relatively low numbers.

A more reliable simpler package would let Skoda play Ford and Peugeot at their own game and I agree Peugeot build quality was cr@p, that's why I traded my Pug in and came to Skoda, but the 208 is a marked improvement over the 207.

I, for one would love to see a Fabia 3 vRS, but you've got to make a good profit nowadays so going back to more basic mechanicals would help Skoda do this.

Skoda and High Volume in the UK is what they try to have the public believe.

Skoda sold 66,081 cars in the UK in 2013.

 

The big manufactures sold double that in the first 6 months of 2013

With the like of the Fiesta, 3 times more in 6 months than Skoda sold Fabias in 12 months,.

 

Skoda sold 21,000 Fabias in 2013, and less than 2,000 were Monte Carlos and less than 1,000 were vRS,

In 3-4  years About 2,600 vRS in the UK.

VW managed to shift 1,100 Polo GTI and many of those will first have been Demonstrators.

Audi A1's about 500, again most Demonstrators.

Then the Seat Ibizas, not a great seller, from 2009, and last year with the new engine and face lift, they shifted 

no more of those than VW sold GTI Polos.

 

Peugeot is the High Volume seller, or as it is Lease company in the UK

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/301317-21000-fabias-first-registered-in-theuk-2013-by-skoda-according-to-this

A good review posted by Oz Fabia in the review section i had never seen before.

 

Obviously he read the Brochure and got the Front Fog Lights Wrong.

& not so sure he switched off TC to try or experienced, or  the XDS in operation.

 

http://listers.co.uk/Reviews/Skoda/Fabia/8660

You won't get a 4x4 Fabia VRS when the Octavia is only a Front Wheel Drive and you can't even spec the diff the Golf GTI has.

 

The Fabia would completely upstage the Octavia VRS.

 

Plus Skoda have been rallying a 4x4 Fabia for years, but it's never happened.

So I can't see any reason why they'd do it now even though I wish they would...

I thought the clearly said there would be no mk3 vRS. So that rules out a vRS 4x4.

 

They are doing a AWD or Part Time AWD S1 & Polo.

& Suzuki do a 1.2 AWD Swift. & its 'Much Cheapness', Surely Skoda can match that and match near enough the price.

Suzuki Build In Hungry & Central Europe.

Its no major technology advance for Skoda to do using the Quattro style of mechanical system.

Just another VAG parts bin bitsa.

 

http://topgear.com/uk/suzuki/swift/road-test/4x4-driven

 

Not so sure about 'never' for a 4x4 Fabia, or a Citigo or anything else from Skoda in small cars.

 

Euro 6 means they are going small petrol and small diesel and Electric Motors. that is 4x4.

Lots of Manufactures are going to have out Hybrids soon, and not only on big cars or exclusive to performance cars.

Audi are doing it soon,  so 'Que Sera Sera'

I thought the clearly said there would be no mk3 vRS. So that rules out a vRS 4x4.

 

It was said when the Fabia mk2 VRS came out that it wouldn't be available on the VAT Free deal.

They said what they want at a point in time to further sales.

 

I don't believe anything said by car companies will be reliable 1 or 2 years later.

 

Audi said they'd never stoop low enough to stick an RS badge on an SUV as they can't perform well enough to justify the badge.

Two years on we have the Q3-RS.

 

It's all about sales at the end of the day, if they think they could stick a VRS badge on anything and generate enough sales to make it profitable, they will.

So then thats that, Que Sera Sera,    Only time will tell.

 

Skoda MK3 Fabia, the biggest Skoda Mystery yet, actually the Mk3 Mybia.

they appear to leak very little on what to expect in the way of engines with this one.

 

Actually VAG will sell cars to paying customers to try out new technology and then not accept faults as being 

manufacturing faults for year after year, and cost what they must think are mugs money and losses.

They have done it with enough VW models now for decades.

 

I personally am pleased that the CAVE & CTHE engines are hitting their pockets a bit,

going to hit their reputation, and in the long run change their attitude and treatment of customers,

even if just a little.

 

A few thousand people have managed to get a car they like for a good price buying the Skoda,

& a number of VW customers as well, but i see court cases effecting VW, Skoda, SEAT & Audi unless 

they accept their mistakes and stop current customers being out of pocket.

 

The internet leave them no place to hide now.

My life that looks a tasy little car.

 

4 wheel drive

DSG

2.0 litre engine putting out 250bhp from stock

Multi link rear suspension

 

Yum

Can you get a flat pack wardrobe and a garden bench in it?

Tony

Can you get a flat pack wardrobe and a garden bench in it?

Tony

 If i can fit a Bass amp and cab and half a drum kit ill be a happy chappy.