Remap Price

[Fr0d]

As a pre-fl CR170 vRS owner, just out of curiosity i have been looking at various remaps available from the usual outlets.

 

TBH, I'm a bit taken aback at the going rate for one of these in Stage 1 form. They mostly seem to be in the £400 to £500 range.

 

As a previous owner of a civic diesel, a remap cost me only £150 from a popular, reputable remap company (albeit file only). A map at their premises, including before and after dyno runs was £200. The Stage 1 gains were also proportionally much better than the VAG lump's, too.

 

Before you say the CR170 ECU is encrypted, my MY2008 apparently isn't and can be mapped through the OBD port, as can be demonstrated with a Bluefin device (which are a little cheaper than some other places). Encryption only occured to MY2009 or MK2010 vehicles, afaik. Happy to be corrected, though.

 

So it more than double the price, for smaller gains, why is the CR170 so expensive to map - are customers so desperate to part with their cash for pretty small gains?

Edited 26 January, 2014 by Fr0d

[john999boy]

I thought I'd attach a photo of a hornet's nest as I'm sure you've just disturbed one!

 

[Guest]

If they were less expensive I would buy one for my 105PD.

Anyone selling a suitable tuning box cheap?

[martziniuk]

They're rediculous pricing TBH.

Get on this group buy or give John a call/email asking for his best forum price.

http://www.evvo.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=28078

[Sippo]

I think we have any 'map', you get what you pay for.

[Bcc212]

You know what, I totally agree. I understand the man hours that goes into creating a map. But they're very '10 a penny' these days so should be cheaper... Which they're not. I understand it would probably be 2 hours labour at best including a before and after. Unless live mapping.

£400-500 for that? Plus £60 to 'unlock' the ECU. I know people need to earn living. But There isn't much wriggle room is there. Half a grand for 30hp is a bit OTT.

I guess people must really want to pay that for it though otherwise it would be a lot cheaper.

[RichC]

I can't justify £499 on a remap I could take my young family on a short holiday for this. Maybe some day they will become reasonable sub £300.

[martziniuk]

I think we have any 'map', you get what you pay for.

Normally I'd agree but the guy I posted above has 25 years experience and makes his own software so can sell at any price he wants. I've had 2 cars mapped by them so far which gave excellent Dyno figures and ran very safe. They also provide the maps for the Mini challenge.

[Fr0d]

They're rediculous pricing TBH.

Get on this group buy or give John a call/email asking for his best forum price.

http://www.evvo.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=28078

Cheers - that group buy pricing seems more sensible, although I must admit I've never heard of them before. I trust they are a reputable tuner?

 

Been down the Bluefin route some years before, on a TDCi Focus and their map caused some issues - only solved with one of their replacement maps not much different to stock. They look to be the only ones with a compatible handset for switching maps on the CR170, though.

Edited 27 January, 2014 by Fr0d

[martziniuk]

Cheers - that group buy pricing seems more sensible, although I must admit I've never heard of them before. I trust they are a reputable tuner?

Been down the Bluefin route some years before, on a TDCi Focus and their map caused some issues - only solved with one of their replacement maps not much different to stock. They look to be the only ones with a compatible handset for switching maps on the CR170, though.

Yeah John knows what he's doing, I've had a few maps from them now. Also consider Unicorn motor developments who also write their own Software. Both specialise in VAG.

[Fr0d]

Top man. 

 

I'll bear that in mind if i'm in the market for one, later down the line.

[beaker656]

I've been in touch with John at Dnatuning about getting on the group buy mentioned by Martin above. Seems he can improve the mpg on my 2011 FL 170cr dog and take it to around 212bhp.

I've chucked my hat in the ring seeing as it was payday yesterday ;-)

[Chan110]

Used DTUK ones going for £200-£250 in the For Sale section:

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/303110-dtuk-crd-t-skoda-octavia-cr170-vrs-tuning-box/?hl=%2Bdtuk#entry3623257

[halfabus]

I have a pre FL CR170 too, latterly I have been forced down the remap route with a DPF failure.  It now has no DPF and a stage 1 map from a well known source.  All I can say is that you cannot judge a map by the numbers alone.  I wouldn't bother before buying a cheap/ unknown map.  Yes, expensive for a bit of software fiddling and a couple of hours to install (referring to a remap only, not the DPF delete), but you're buying someones knowledge/ intellectual property too. 

 

I would advise driving a car that's been mapped to the same spec by the same folk before committing to one if you're not sure it's worth it.  I am happy with what I have and confident that my car, that needs to do 20-25k miles/ year, will do them reliably and efficiently.  Efficient, not necessarily always economic.  I average about 48mpg at the moment, driven fairly briskly within reason, which is down on summer figures but if you use more power, it will use more juice.  Laws of physics there.

 

I have driven a couple of mapped cars, VAG 1.8t engined and TDI, that had been remapped less carefully and while the output figures were impressive in the literature, the driveability had gone down the pan.  Unless you were at idle or flat out, progressive driving was near to impossible to achieve. A good map that behaves like factory++ seems to be a harder thing to achieve.

 

Last service the car had, the technician spoke to me after finishing, he'd had to test drive the car, he asked what had been done to it to make it so torquey.  He couldn't believe it was just stage 1 and pointed out that he thought it was obviously quicker than the current petrol VRS.  Occasional wheel spin in 4th is not normal apparently.

[Fiko]

Welcome to Latvia guys! I did remaping on my scout (engine code CFHC), paid 320€ (abt 262 GBP)!

[CEPi]

Yes, but thats Latvian bus-station workshop quality   

[Fiko]

Yes, but thats Latvian bus-station workshop quality   

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