As some of you will know my standard vRS front discs have warped after only 6k miles...

I have already replaced the cardboard standard pads with EBC Greenstuff, which have cured the fade after one stop problem..

If I have to fork out for new discs than I don't want to buy standard...

Some of you ( TaviaRS ) use grp N discs... who makes this and what pads go best with them??

What other recommendations ??

Cheers

Dazz

Hmmm - I'll be looking for some better brakes when I evetually come around to the reality I'm never going to be able to afford the Fabia vRS, and will want to mod my car to death.

Dazz,

Couple of options:

1. Group N discs allround, add grooves and drilling if required, Ferodo DS2500 pads and Silkolene fluid. Talk to Disco @ Impreziv (http://www.impreziv.co.uk/skoda_supplies.htm) he does the lot as a package. I've been running this setup for the last 100k miles, never faded them or warped them, even with a 40 minute session at Donington.

2. Spend a not inconsiderable amount of money (think

If you are uprating the brakes then you should also consider uprating the brake lines for some nice stainless steel braided ones (only about 60 - 80 quid) Have fitted these to just about every car I've owned and the difference in the braking is well worth it. Nice hard pedal to press and all the power goes straight to the callipers. Haven't got round to fitting them on my VRS yet but its on the list !

Si

No need, IMHO. The standard lines are actually hard wall lined anyway, they just have a rubber sheath over the outside. I wasn't confinced at first, but having cut a set and generally tried to destroy mine, I haven't bothered in the "upgrade".

OK so with the APs I'll be running braided lines, that is due to AP using imperial fittings rather than the standard metric ones

i would ditch the ebc pads a a starting point they are terrible for warping discs... i have done 3 trackdays on the std discs and pads with no fade or warping... and i do give them some stick?

group n is tempting - im gonna try jons old ones for a bit but will prob go with 355mm godspeed discs / brembo calipers

Another vote for ditching and stamping up and down on EBC greenstuffs.

Notice, I avoided any comment on his choice of pad ?

However, as you've all started, I might as well add my thoughts on the various pads I've tried...

Greenstuff, the only good thing about these is the lack of dust I did suffer fade with these, rather badly and it almost resulted in my car mating with a hedge :( Always a bit alarming when they actually catch fire. Binned mine after about 1500-2000 miles as I thought they were crap.

Redstuff, better than the greens but clash with the calliper Not too bad in actual fact but I did notice that once they got to about 3 mm of pad left they vibrated horrendously when hot. Swapped them part way through a Ring trip for some half worn DS2500 and the nasty vibration went away. The reds could also be provoked into fade, but it was a lot harder to do and it was only a minor case of it. Didn't like the "feel" of them through the pedal.

DS2500, a good everyday sort of pad and one which I haven't been able to kill, yet. Can be quite dusty though. OK when cold, excellent once warm (just a few dabs of the brake seems to be enough) I like these, lots!

DS3000, awesome, its mate with the windsceen time Couple of problems with these though, they are very dusty and the dust is bad for your alloys as it has a very high metal content which "welds" itself to your wheels due to the high heat generated. They also have rather a large appetite for discs, which makes it quite pricey.

Cheers for the advice so far...

EBC Greenstuff pads... As i've said, these have been used on some of my older cars, modified 90 quattro, running cheap and cheerfull Euro Car Parts plain discs no problems.. Also used them on various VW Scirocco's again in standard sizes...

A mate who used a set on his Audi S2, wore them out in 7K miles and now will not touch them....

I have used Pagid fast road pads on my 1999 Passat TDI 110...

combined with ATE 'Powerdiscs' these discs warpped quite badly over the course of a few months, they were then replaced with OE quality plain discs, which I had no problems at all...

Other than keeping the alloys clean!!!!

I don't want to go down the route of changing calipers, new wheels etc...

The standard brakes are fine for the 'fast road' use but the standard pads give up the ghost to quickly and fade away..

Hence the reasons behind the pad change....

Why would the Greenstuff's warp the disc more qickly than any other make of pad??????

The group N discs what make are they??? as the ones listed are made by EBC!!!

cheers

Dazz

They are actually EBC group N blanks, which a company I know of supplies and will drill/groove to your spec. They are not the EBC grooved and dimpled. I've tried, them in drilled, grooved, drilled and grooved, grooves in 2mm, 4mm and 6mm (you wanna see how fast a set of pads disappears with 6mm grooves!). The ones that Impreziv are selling are the ones that have been developed on my car (by me) over the last 100k miles. This has included every day driving, hard cross country driving and about 8,500 track miles in the last 20 months. As I said, ain't killed them yet, no warping or fade.

I had thought I might need to upgrade the brakes on my vRS -- especially post Jabba,that said they do seem to cope OK -- have done quite a few rapid 100mph+ to zero stops without problem -- but they don't always provide that secure feeling - as if they might not stop you.....not good for the heartbeat at all -- so I may look at the group N stuff -- bearing in mind that I am unlikely to venture on track(too chicken) would it be allright to leave the rear's standard ? or would that ruin the whole setup ?

Dave,

I suppose it depends on what you're going to do with your car. If like me you may only do 1 or 2 track days a year and not even that then, just changing the pads to Ferodo 2500 will be fine. If you do intend to do the 1 or 2 track days then upgrading the brake fluid is a good idea.

If you intend to do more track miles then the Group N kit is the way to go.

I asked Jon about changing brake as I did experienced brake fade and his view was as above.

That said

I don't want to mess about with the rears, I don't do any track days,,

So will the standard discs or something like a lower priced option

( ATE - powerdiscs, Red Dot, Tarox, Pagid 6 groove ) do the job with cheaper pads like the Pagid FR....????

:cheers:

Dazz

go ds2500 then see how it feels.. if not hard enough then do fluid.

mines on std fluid and dont have brake probs watch the vid....

Originally posted by TaviaRS in this post

Dazz,

Couple of options:

1. Group N discs allround, add grooves and drilling if required, Ferodo DS2500 pads and Silkolene fluid. Talk to Disco @ Impreziv (http://www.impreziv.co.uk/skoda_supplies.htm) he does the lot as a package. I've been running this setup for the last 100k miles, never faded them or warped them, even with a 40 minute session at Donington.

2. Spend a not inconsiderable amount of money (think

Bridgend in Wales. Give Ian a bell, he's a real rally nut, does probably 15 events each year (as a driver) so understands what sort of things we use the cars for. Supplies whatever calliper you require or will make up discs to suit your existing callipers. On mine he is doing the bell so it move the caliper slightly inboard of standard as I don't want spacers.

www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk

Originally posted by TaviaRS in this post

Bridgend in Wales. Give Ian a bell, he's a real rally nut, does probably 15 events each year (as a driver) so understands what sort of things we use the cars for. Supplies whatever calliper you require or will make up discs to suit your existing callipers. On mine he is doing the bell so it move the caliper slightly inboard of standard as I don't want spacers.

www.godspeedbrakes.co.uk

Cool.

Thanks for that.

Not too far from me then

Same principle as my Ibiza Brembo/bells, inboard so wheel fitments are easier. Suitable disk choice is awkward in 305x28 fitment tho... :(

regards

bill

Ian makes them up in whatever size you want ie my 308mm rears

Skoda UK might be changing there mind in regards to my disc problem,, so I might be getting new OE discs... I will then go and fit Pagid Fast road pads... Bill ( Badger5 ) totally recommends them over on the SeatCupra site....

I poss might still fit replacement uprated discs , but then the insurance company will have to be informed of the Modifications.

cheers

Dazz

You might want to try the Ferodo DS2500 pads. Lovely they are...

And at

Originally posted by ecklad in this post

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OK - here's a question for someone in the know about brakes.

How much would be a total discs/pad change "a la Fabia vRS" be? - or at least a good guesstimate. edited to say this includes the brakes themselves, of course.

I'm thinking of a total change when the rear discs become totally knackered!

Originally posted by devonutopia in this post

OK - here's a question for someone in the know about brakes.

How much would be a total discs/pad change "a la Fabia vRS" be? - or at least a good guesstimate. edited to say this includes the brakes themselves, of course.

I'm thinking of a total change when the rear discs become totally knackered!

Don't know for sure - but probably more than going for a Group N kit

I would imagine if you stuck with the existing brakes, but upgraded discs and pads, then it wouldn't be too bad. If the vRS discs are larger then you would need to swap the whole lot I think, including calipers etc.

Jon's your man in that area.