cruise control = lazy drivers

Lazy comment = another thread going downhill, without brake assisted cruise!

My cruise maintains the set speed whether going down a steep hill or not......

My cruise maintains the set speed whether going down a steep hill or not......

Hi, do you have the ACC option? If not, you obviously do not have any big enough hills in Kent, need to pop up here to try a proper hill!

Edited 8 February, 201412 yr by Matt Pez

Depending in how old that car was it was NOT cruise control, but dynamic cruise control which is a standard system PLUS brake control. It hasn't got the radar of adaptive CC. However, it is not standard cruise control as fitted by car manufacturers, so you needs I be sure to compare the same systems, which presently you aren't.

Sorry you are wrong, as mentioned by a few already, lots of manufacturers now have brake control fitted as standard on CC.

It is really useful on downhill stretches especially where speed cameras are often located at the bottom.

Hi, do you have the ACC option? If not, you obviously do not have any big enough hills in Kent, need to pop up here to try a proper hill!

Lol no just the standard one. I tested it today and actually the speed does creep up by a couple of mph. I guess as it's so small that's why I didn't notice. So I stand corrected lol

Change down a gear, the CC holds the speed, its called engine braking and take no notice of the Eco Tips.

 

Regards

T

There is a section of road on the A616 between Stocksbridge and the M1 at J35, it has average speed cameras, 60 mph limit and a steep downhill section. If I set my bog standard CC to 60 in 6th gear, by the time I get to the bottom of the hill, I'd be doing over 70 unless I dab the brakes a few times, or change down to 5th gear but then the eco tips tell me to change straight back to 6th! Ideally, the CC should slow the car to maintain 60 but as the hill is too steep, the weight of the car is too much for the engine braking so gravity takes over and the car speeds up, I'd prefer it if I didn't have to dab the brakes, but that's just my opinion!

Know exactly where you mean, that stretch is a PITA. Somehow I have managed to avoid a speeding ticket, not sure how, as there have been a few times that I have looked at the speedo and noticed I have been going a little faster than I thought.

Change down a gear, the CC holds the speed, its called engine braking and take no notice of the Eco Tips.

 

Regards

T

Sort of defeats the object of cruise if you have to start changing gear or braking!

Lazy comment = another thread going downhill, without brake assisted cruise!

 

Insulting people isn't going to do you any favours on here.

Sorry if you feel insulted, didnt mean to call you a driver.

Sort of defeats the object of cruise if you have to start changing gear or braking!

I agree, changing down to 5th on a steep enough hill isn't going to do it anyway, 4th just revs the crp out of the motor and stuff doing that for a km if its a decent hill. You end up riding the brakes sporadically and watching the speedo to stay compliant instead of the road. Be better if CC could do it for you.

Every VAG car ive owned with basic cruise has always cancelled when dipping the clutch, so in this sort of situation can get a bit annoying dropping a gear to get some engine braking (diesels dont engine brake as well as a petrol anyway IMHO) then resuming.

Believe (though cannot confirm) that the new gen CC doesnt cancel when the clutch is dipped only the brake so it continues to operate and allows the driver to remain on cruise but match gearing appropriately to gradient.

Sure ive seen people complain about it and suggest its dangerous but guess its VAGs half hearted attempt to offer a mid point between normal and auto braking CC.

With ACC you can depress the clutch and it still maintains all other functions. On a manual it's needed if you approach hills (and we do have a few here) so that you don't labour the engine. Makes sense to me having used it a fair bit. Coming down a mountain I just leave it to the system to brake so the gear isn't important. ACC is one of the best options on the vehicle imo. 

I would have spec'd acc but it was not an option at launch when I ordered as they had not even released the front assist radar, then and even the front assist was later deleted from the spec, not sure if it has been added back yet? I am aware of the clutch not disengaging the cc and it is useful to some extent, and a better system than on the Superb II which did not even give you a speed setting readout on the maxidot, so perhaps they will add the brake function on the MkIV !!

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I've heard that they removed it from the spec for the Octavia because they're having parts shortages. They've made it available on the Leon now though, but only the estate, and the facelifted Polo due out this summer will have it, so the pressure for parts is only going to get stronger. 

 

It's only a £500 option on the Leon, and apparently it can reduce your insurance a bit too (especially for younger drivers), sounds like it's worth it!

Sorry you are wrong, as mentioned by a few already, lots of manufacturers now have brake control fitted as standard on CC.

It is really useful on downhill stretches especially where speed cameras are often located at the bottom.

No you are. There are not lots of manufacturers with cruise control including braking. The very vast majority are simply accelerator controls, I.e. Fuel control. There are some cruise control plus systems, such as BMW and the ACC. But standard cruise control is just fuel control. If you feel you are right then please list the lots.......

No you are. There are not lots of manufacturers with cruise control including braking. The very vast majority are simply accelerator controls, I.e. Fuel control. There are some cruise control plus systems, such as BMW and the ACC. But standard cruise control is just fuel control. If you feel you are right then please list the lots.......

CC not using radar but using brake function is available on BMW & Audi. I have a feeling they are / have been used by Volvo and MB, but haven't got time to trawl the internet to prove it, and TBH would be happy to be proved wrong.

Think you are picking hairs between the labels that cruise control can be called. Just because something has a prefix 'dynamic' or 'plus', it is still fundamentally cruise control.

I had a quick look on the blurb for the Audi S4 on their website & it makes no mention of the brake function other than when included with ACC. However I can absolutely guarantee my car brakes downhill when cruise is on. I don't have ACC.

No you are. There are not lots of manufacturers with cruise control including braking. The very vast majority are simply accelerator controls, I.e. Fuel control. There are some cruise control plus systems, such as BMW and the ACC. But standard cruise control is just fuel control. If you feel you are right then please list the lots.......

Forums are great for really details options about cars to help other choose but if you're unsure of a fact then don't guess.

I know my audi has standard cc and I know it brake as the brake lights are silly bright and try come on!

Seems a standard on most 25k plus cars from the ones I've looked at so seems odd considering te VRS with decent spec is way above that!

Cheers

Seems two of you are proving me right. Having provided evidence of but a few such manufacturers, not the lots first claimed.

Audi's cruise control is the same system as Skoda's and the A6 brochure is clear that the standard cruise control only slows the car by engine braking, as with the system on the Octavia. Adaptive Cruise Control is available as an option. Most cars in the Octavia's price range have standard cruise control and adaptive systems as optional, or standard on the top level alone. The luxury equipment specification of the vRS has always been below that of the Elegance, as it is the sports model and has power, suspension and bodywork additional spec instead.

Our Nissan X-Trail brakes to maintain constant speed on the downhill bits.

 

Tested in the Alps

Our Nissan X-Trail brakes to maintain constant speed on the downhill bits.

Tested in the Alps

Don't tell fireftm, he doesn't believe us

I imagine constant dragging of the brakes on a hot day somewhere like the alps could lead to problems.

Nissan X-Trail has the same cruise control as the Qashqai, that is fuel control only. However, it is fitted with downhill drive support, which will brake for you.

However, it is fitted with downhill drive support, which will brake for you.

 

Is that more of an off-road feature, for driving down rock infested steep lanes etc?

Yes that's what it is intended fir, but the X Trail is nit a true off raider and Alpine downhills are very steep. Certainly would never think of using cruise control, or letting the car brake for me through it, on such roads! I would let hill descent systems help ....