Ahhh but that's the difference between the vRS and the Monte - the vRS goes as well as she looks! I'd imagine with the Monte you are looking at her getting all excited -taking in all the curves of the bodywork but once you are inside her its abit of a let down. She doesn't seem to move as well as you anticipated..... Hehehe ;-)

You're right, Montes have got a few more curves, that's what I like. Yeah, she may not be as racy but she's quiet,low maintenance and still has a trick or two up her sleeve when she fancies, that's why she could be a keeper!!

Because this is not a vRS Forum, it's a Fabia 2 forum. Most people on here commenting do own a Fabia Mk2 even if it's only a 1.2 htp 60hp S.

 

So some owners are a bit more subjective, it's good that some owners got a bargain with the vRS but Skoda see it as a £17k list price car that they struggle to sell without significant offers. 

 

Most hot hatch buyers do not need 5 doors and autobox and the 212bhp Fiesta ST mountune is only £500 more. The little fiesta is in a different league for handling and fun and has so much more traction.

 

That's what Skoda are up against, they are not bothered that you got a second hand bargain.

 

We'll all have to wait and see what the Mk3 brings.

 

Cheers

Lee

I'm subjective - it has its faults and I've posted the downsides on here.

Fair enough, people are free to comment, it's just that I find it ill mannered. One of the most persistent drives a Golf.

The Fiesta ST is no doubt a better car but it was launched three years after the vRS - I'd expect it to be.

Exactly, also there is no auto option and no estate

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I'm still puzzled as to why people make the effort to post their opinions on a car they don't like and have no intention of buying.

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In fairness, one can often learn far more by listening to / reading the opinions of people who have looked at a car and decided against it than from those who have paid out and are perhaps more inclined to overlook problems.  A salesman isn't going to point out the downside of a car he is trying to sell.  Where are you going to source negative comments; magazine reviews?

 

As a prospective buyer, you might just learn something useful from someone who has considered a car and decided against it.

Exactly, also there is no auto option and no estate

 

Yep but as Skoda have found the buying group that want a small £17k hot hatch with autogear box and 5 door or estate bodyshells isn't that big.

 

Ford have even said the market demand for a 5 door ST Fiesta isn't big enough. To be honest I'd buy one of those.

 

Cheers

Lee

Some interesting stats:

 

Fabia VRS DSG - 2.4k

Fabia Elegance TSi DSG - 1.9k

Fabia SE TSi DSG - 2.1k

Some interesting stats:

 

Fabia VRS DSG - 2.4k

Fabia Elegance TSi DSG - 1.9k

Fabia SE TSi DSG - 2.1k

 

Yep but those figures are splitting trim levels. S, SE, SE Plus, Elegance and splits manual and auto. The difference on a production line to change trim level is minimal. The difference between a 1.2TSi manual and auto on the production line is minimal.

 

But the vRS is pretty much bespoke, exterior, interior, engine, drivetrain, brakes, suspension, exhaust system etc are all specific to that one model and that's what pushes up the price and reduces Skoda's profit margin.

 

A Monte may have some exterior and interior sporty bits but for the production line they share most of there parts with a standard TSi or TDi.

 

I'm not trying to talk down the vRS but looking at it from a business point of view.

 

Cheers

Lee

Yep but as Skoda have found the buying group that want a small £17k hot hatch with autogear box and 5 door or estate bodyshells isn't that big.

 

Ford have even said the market demand for a 5 door ST Fiesta isn't big enough. To be honest I'd buy one of those.

 

Cheers

Lee

The Fiesta ST sold in the USA is the 5 door version,strange how Ford see different markets wanting different numbers of doors.

I suppose you could ask the question why make cars in this segment with only 3 doors at all,since the principle is now also established of disguising the back doors to give a sporty look.

The Fiesta ST sold in the USA is the 5 door version,strange how Ford see different markets wanting different numbers of doors.

I suppose you could ask the question why make cars in this segment with only 3 doors at all,since the principle is now also established of disguising the back doors to give a sporty look.

 

 

It's a uk thing that's for sure. 

 

The UK is a big buyer of 3 door sporty cars and convertibles. I spend some time over on BMW forums and the 1 Series hatch is available in three and 5 door versions, there's nothing in it price wise, a few hundred quid on a £20k-£30k car. But it's surprising how many go for the three door even though the big doors make it difficult to get out in tight spaces and the rear seat access is very tight.

Even on bigger cars, look how many 3 door A5's you see on the road or 3 Series coupe's (Now 4 Series)

 

Cheers

Lee

Yep but those figures are splitting trim levels. S, SE, SE Plus, Elegance and splits manual and auto. The difference on a production line to change trim level is minimal. The difference between a 1.2TSi manual and auto on the production line is minimal.

 

Who knows about margins; I was just observing that the UK numbers show that of auto fabias, more than a third are VRS

 

Who knows about margins; I was just observing that the UK numbers show that of auto fabias, more than a third are VRS

 

 

It's simple really, produce more of any one thing and it's nearly always cheaper. For example for interior or exterior SE spec will be same no matter what engine it is. You would need to look at home many SE's are sold whatever the engine to work out economies of scale.

 

And for the drive train plant a 1.2TSi will be the same whether it's SE, SE Plus, Elegance or Monte or Monte Tech. So you'd need to add all those together to see how many are sold.

 

Cheers

Lee

I'm subjective - it has its faults and I've posted the downsides on here.

Fair enough, people are free to comment, it's just that I find it ill mannered. One of the most persistent drives a Golf.

The Fiesta ST is no doubt a better car but it was launched three years after the vRS - I'd expect it to be.

Lol ! I've owned more ruddy skodas than you've had hot friggin dinners bphrian and I like a lot of peoples like the vrs fabia but not its faults that's why vag are dropping it ! They missed a great opportunity to carry on the fab vrs but didn't choose the diesel nor a manual , I've been very quiet about the vrs of late and presumably this will be the end of it ! For some have been a great car and long may it continue , however for those individuals who have had real lemons they will be rejoicing, the quantity that where sold % and faulty ones are much higher than what was acceptable, yours is fine ( for now anyway) hopefully all the lemons out on the forcourts waiting for owners will be fixed but I'd be very surprised if they do , end of rant