Read the article on this and thought what a wasted time by Skoda  since 2007 

 

The one company that benefited from the demise of the Fabia vRS is BMW Mini. 

 

Since the last SE rolled of the line , BMW have been laughing all the way to the bank.

 

Current Cooper D has no better performance that the Old VRS MK1 but is better than the Monte Carlo 105 bhp TDI.

 

 

Why haven't SKODA taken the opportunity to issue a SE  Monte Carlo with 130 bhp 1.5 D prior to the line stopping on the MK2.

 

A far better all round package than the Cooper D - 3 POT

 

 

 

 

 

Current Cooper D has no better performance that the Old VRS MK1 but is better than the Monte Carlo 105 bhp TDI.

 

 

Why haven't SKODA taken the opportunity to issue a SE  Monte Carlo with 130 bhp 1.5 D prior to the line stopping on the MK2.

 

A far better all round package than the Cooper D - 3 POT

Because Skoda dont have a 130bhp 1.5 litre to use? By all accounts, the first reviews of the three pot mini engine are very favourable.

 

The 'D' will be the slower one, the SD will be the quicker diesel in the mini line up Id have thought.

Because Skoda dont have a 130bhp 1.5 litre to use? By all accounts, the first reviews of the three pot mini engine are very favourable.

 

The 'D' will be the slower one, the SD will be the quicker diesel in the mini line up Id have thought.

They could uplift the 105bhp I'm sure on a Limited No.

Not a high Development cost or Warranty risk.

The new MK3 MINI & 3 pot BMW/MINI engines are ready for Euro 6 emissions,

 

Skoda have theirs coming with the MK3 Fabia.   (we hope!)

I'd go for a Cooper-sd over a Cooper-d all day long

The new MK3 MINI & 3 pot BMW/MINI engines are ready for Euro 6 emissions,

 

Skoda have theirs coming with the MK3 Fabia.   (we hope!)

George,

 

It's a shame Skoda has lost it's uniqueness in this market- VAG have diluted the flair of the Skoda Design / Development team. it seems to me.

Good example is the work done by Skoda in the ERC,WHO NOW BENEFITS- VW Polo and Audi.S1

Once upon a time success in autosport translated to the marc for you and I.

Who knows what's on the drawing board at the moment.  There's the 110PS version of the 1.6 TDi in the Octavia 3 Greneline already.  Maybe a turbo diesel version of the 3-pot in the Citigo?  Pretty sure that 1.0 engine will find its way into the Fabia 3 given the 75PS version is more powerful than the current 1.2 non-TSi..

 

Apolgies if the engine isn't compatable with the current platform, but if the new Fabia IS an MQB car...

Where you getting 130bhp 1.5 three cylinder from?

 

From what I can see they're doing the 1.5 diesel with 114bhp.

 

Phil

Where you getting 130bhp 1.5 three cylinder from?

 

From what I can see they're doing the 1.5 diesel with 114bhp.

 

Phil

Use current Skoda 1.5 diesel - from VW parts bin and give it a mild tune to 130 bhp. Low cost option, not millions on development and a short production run as mk2 phase out model.  

There isn't a current 1.5 VAG TDI is there?

 

A 1.6 TDI will tune easily to 130bhp.

 

Phil

Thanks Phil.

 

Keith

There isn't a current 1.5 VAG TDI is there?

 

 

Phil

that was my point in the second post Skoda can't uprate the 1.6 in one model whilst remaining at the normal output level for vw/Audi applications. 130bhp is pushing it for that unit, warranted from the factory IMO.

Pretty sure that 1.0 engine will find its way into the Fabia 3 given the 75PS version is more powerful than the current 1.2 non-TSi..

It does out out an ounce more power than the 70hp 1.2HTP, but it doesnt put out as much torque.

Although if the new cars lighter, that may balance out the differences, i imagine?

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BMW engines in the future will all be turbo charged and all have 500cc per cylinder.

 

So far BMW have confirmed 1.0 twins, 1.5 triple, 2.0 four, 3.0 straight 6 and 4.0 V8's.

 

The 1.5 triple petrol is already available with upto 231bhp in the i8 so specific outputs look promising.

 

The diesels will overlap somewhat depending on model but BMW have already said 125bhp per litre is easily achievable from the modular diesels

 

But to keep that in context VAG have already said their new 3000bar fuel system will allow 134bhp per litre diesels.

 

If you want auto the mini is currently stuck with a poor six speed conventional auto, the awesome ZF8HP that BMW use in all it's current models wont fit the transverse engine Mini. But ZF have a 9 speed box for transverse engines available and this will probably go into the Mini soon.

 

Not to be outdone VAG are working on a 10 speed DSG.

 

So whatever you like to drive expect smaller engines with higher outputs and more gears.

 

Cheers

Lee

 

 

 

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The new Mk3 2 litre Turbo 4 pot Cooper S Auto does drive quite nicely though IMO.

The box was much to my liking.

 

Have you driven one yet Lee.?

No not driven one yet although I've driven several cars with the old 6 speed auto in the Mini. It's smmoth and refined as an old skool slushmatic should be.

But it does hurt economy and performance, usually the ZF8HP and ZF9HP will beat the manual in both areas as well as given a more direct drive and faster changes.

Cheers

Lee

Read the article on this and thought what a wasted time by Skoda  since 2007 

 

The one company that benefited from the demise of the Fabia vRS is BMW Mini. 

 

Since the last SE rolled of the line , BMW have been laughing all the way to the bank.

 

 

To be totally honest, I don't think that's the case. I know a few people (all women) who have Minis and I have talked to them about alternatives when the time to change their cars came. I mentioned Skoda and every one of them said no! In that we are still 'snobs at heart' sort of way. Even though my very best friend knows the cars are 90% VAG she would never own a Skoda. I don't think the Mini appeals to the same people that would by a Skoda (in general). Most of the people with Minis don't seem to realise Mini are owned by BMW and I doubt any of them know who co-developed their engines.

 

I am still continually surprised at the snobbery amongst people against Skoda. For some reason, at least in my experience, it is more women than men.

 

:(

Skoda's are all about space, practicality and value for money. Mini's are expensive and cramped, all about style and image. They do handle well though.

Skoda's are all about space, practicality and value for money. Mini's are expensive and cramped, all about style and image. They do handle well though.

They are also ruddy enormous compared to the original. Actually they seem to be quite a bit bigger than the first new Mini. Perhaps it's time to bring back the Maxi name

Because of all that would be dead money, even wasted money.

 

Let's face facts, the Mk1 VRS was an accidental hit - someone in VAG let Skoda go nuts and fill a niche no-one thought was there - a diesel GTI.  And what did they have to lose?  Nothing.  Grannies bought Fabias for the run to the shops and the pharmacy.  Stick in a proven diesel lump and suddenly they've found something loads of people want.

 

Fast forward, they got told the VRS had to be a 1.4TSI DSG, in line with the group, because that's what seems to have happened.  It wasn't really a Mk2 version of the VRS, but just a car wearing the badge.  Like the excellent Mk2 Golf GTI 130bhp morphing into the porker that was the 115bhp Mk3.  Just using the badge to shift units.

 

The Monte, arguably, was a way to shift some cars, with a clever marketing ploy - standard engines, but better exterior.  Play on a tenuous link to motorsports for the adverts and boom!  Sales success.

 

They aren't going to produce a knee jerk, run-out model, completely different to anything they have produced for the last 7 years, just to shift about 500 cars for no profit.

 

If they have been allowed - given that the VRS brand and Skoda in general are now acceptable alternatives to the VW big brother - then maybe for the Mk3 we'll see something whacky - 170bhp CR powered Fabia? 2.0T petrol?  Or just follow suit to the VAG standard.  If that means we don't get a diesel GTI model, or end up with a dead-fish petrol model, then that's what will happen - they won't be pitching Skoda Fabias against a Mini - as Lady Elenore (Shelby Fastback?) says - Mini buyers are not going to be swayed by a Skoda - it's not the right image dahlink...

A bit Harsh, you can not get away from the fact the Mk2 vRS has 180ps, thats if it sold or not, 

Just the same as the VW GTI, Cupra Ibiza & A1 185ps.

(same performance as Golf GTD or as it is better, & half the price.)

 

& lets get back to the Monte Carlo sales success, its not yet is it.

Not in the UK anyway. Maybe elsewhere, "we thought we would sell 3,000, we produced 20,000"

under 6,000 cars registered in 3 years is a sales failure,

the value priced Techs had to be offered to get sales going again,

and now crazy prices are being quoted for new Montes or Monte Techs in 2014.

 

So Skoda Marketing seems very hit or miss, and Dr Winfried Vahland seems to not have the UK market sussed.

 

Lets see if they get Mk3's as UK Customers want, choice and prices.

Monte Carlo as a on going Trim & Image for Sporty Looking is a mistake into the future IMO,

Its a really daft Name.

Hardly like Escort Mexico, the real thing,

 Escort Eclipse with Mexico Stickers and wheels, embarrassing.

Yeah, but the Monte has shifted Fabias they probably wouldn't have sold otherwise, probably to markets that wouldn't have bought them.

 

It may have stood up as a limited edition if it wasn't just a standard trim now - a la Clio Williams.  Williams 2.  Williams 3.  But without the GTI Qudos...

 

I wouldn't compare a Fabia VRS (or VAG Gp Twincharge supermini) to a Golf GTD with 170bhp - different cars completely, with only power output being similar.  Certainly not to a proper GTI.

Clio Wiliams, wonderful.

 

I would not compare a GTD to a vRS either, £27,000 + compared to Under £17,000, 

not that much difference in size and then there is the Golfs Depreciation.

 

I had one last years on loan for 4 days.

Was driving them back to back.

Looked Lovely, and was not that economical. Fat Lump really. (like me.)

Then i tried the GTI for a couple of hours., and well £30,000 worth is a state of mind.

The NSL or even double the NSL feels much the same in any of them really.

& they seem to get there pretty much at the same time.

 

Currently you can go pick up a new vRS for less than Skoda are Quoting for a Monte Carlo Tech.

So maybe with a discount on the MC, same money.

Obviously the MC is the one to have, Nice and reliable and looks the part.

List prices are massively different but the residuals are also massively different. This makes pcp and lease a very real alternative for some VW's, Merc, Audi and BMW.

 

Most of us have heard the sorry tale of the young lad paying £384 a month for a vRS on pcp.

 

One great deal about at the moment.

 

New MQB Chassis VW Golf R 300PS and AWD for £1649 deposit and £278 a month. on contract lease.

 

Cheers

Lee

If I had a spare £30k (HUGE IF) then I would get a Golf GTI Edition 30.  As low mileage as possible, warrantied.  Be on a 56 plate I think.

 

Then with the other £22k, I'd do some other stuff.

 

It's scary that the Fabia looks as big as a Golf - I know my wife's golf feels a bit more quality than my Fabia. So a Golf with leather, more toys and nearly the economy of my Monte would be nice.  More go, better handling, or just to feel more surefooted (because of a bigger chassis).

 

The boot is definitely bigger.

 

That said, I have run around for 6 weeks with a boot full of kids' toys that I am meaning to take to the charity shop...so I could get a Scirrocco!  TDI or petrol GT though?