And even better deals than that on a new golf r with dish. I was at be yesterday with somebody wanting one. There is a thread in general chat.

D s g sorry on phone

A matter of interest - how many Fabia mk1 vRS  were sold in the UK over the period 2003- 2007.

 

I seem to remember that the SE version of the vRS MK1 sold 1000 cars in less than 6 months - it was a tarted  up standard car with about £3k of extras, at a little above the normal price.

 

Current price of the Monte Carlo will see sales drop - so a low cost remap would give it a bit of a kick .

 

This might just take buyers focus off the sales disaster the mk2 vRS  became, and give a positive lead up to the launch of the mk3.

 

I guess my main point with  this thread, is that Mini D had no real competition/alternative once Skoda stepped away.

I get where you're coming from Keith, the SE was a run out model on a popular car - but only kit added that presumably was "lying around" in a warehouse somewhere.

 

Monte tech has shifted to some degree, so thinking laterally, what from the VAG (or perhaps more likely Skoda, even more precise Fabia) parts bin could be fitted to the Monte (or VRS) to give a "Black Line" final model?

 

And the Mini D is competed with by any supermini diesel - Polo, Fiesta, Micra.  I cannot see many people saying "Mini or Fabia?" apart from anything, the style over substance vs substance over style is at complete odds.  I don't know, but I bet the Mini is horrifically more expensive once you add chili pack, comfort pack, etc etc to get a real trim level.

 

Like it or not, Skoda is considered a value brand. The VAT free deal now appears to have been a farce to maintain the phallacy.  Once finished, some Skoda models look way too expensive for things that are the dregs of the VAG parts bin, at the end (or more) of their useful life.

 

Someone prepared to spend £20k on a supermini wants style and fashion, solid thunks, people to think it's chic, cute and cheeky, not gawky (ugly?), clunky, cheap (if haggled or on VAT free, or run out model) and cheerful.  Or if a Monte, mutton dressed as lamb (arguably).

Hyundai i20 g t now that should have new world motor sport heritage.

Guess the Suzuki took some of the market over the last few year.

A matter of interest - how many Fabia mk1 vRS  were sold in the UK over the period 2003- 2007.

 

I seem to remember that the SE version of the vRS MK1 sold 1000 cars in less than 6 months - it was a tarted  up standard car with about £3k of extras, at a little above the normal price.

 

Current price of the Monte Carlo will see sales drop - so a low cost remap would give it a bit of a kick .

 

This might just take buyers focus off the sales disaster the mk2 vRS  became, and give a positive lead up to the launch of the mk3.

 

I guess my main point with  this thread, is that Mini D had no real competition/alternative once Skoda stepped away.

Follow up to above- hope it is of some interest:

 

Fabia vRS MK1 Sales 2003- 2007 - 10844

 

Fabia vRS MK2 Sales 2007 - February 2014 : 2680 , 418 of which are vRS Estates.

 

 

Next comparison, will be interesting to see how many COOPER D - SD'S Hatch + others have been sold in the UK.

 

Might just tell us how Skoda missed out on this market.

 

Before any comment ,I recognise the Mini owner  look at their motors in a different way to vRS owners.

Fabia mk2 vRS are sales from June 2010, Media & Demonstrators,

then from July Demonstrators and a few customer purchases.

 

Up till Sept 2012 it was over 2,400 Roadtaxed in the UK,

and Skoda were First Registering over 200 a quarter,

then got a boost in orders/sales when The Doctor announced it was to stop production in the future.

Maybe the 2,680 till Feb is correct.

 

Just the cars First Registered have all sold in the past 6 months, rather than them keeping up numbers by Registering as Demonstrators.

 

The MINI numbers are high.

I posted them last year after an Article in 'Auto Express' after they listed the ones being discontinued.

Even the poor sellers high numbers registered surprised me.

Quite a choice of models across the BMW MINI Hatch range over the years,

It's not like for like (Mini to Fabia).  Also, is the VRS Mk 1really like the Mk2?

 

Mk1 was a trendsetter - the niche in the market has been filled by other cars, so not all of the Mk2 sales drop will be due to K1 vs Mk2 differences, but some by the fact that other cars now offer what the Mk1 did.

 

When you look at that stark figure though - 7 years, 2680 cars...

 

BUT

 

The difference between an affordable 130bhp, cheap to run diesel car and a less affordable 180bhp Petrol car (less cheap to run) are also a factor.

 

Should they have done a diesel hot hatch?  Maybe...but then have VW done an equivalent to the Polo GT 130TDI?  Or SEAT with the Ibiza?

Fabia mk2 vRS are sales from June 2010

 

Up till Sept 2012 it was over 2,400 Roadtaxed in the UK,

and Skoda were First Registering over 200 a quarter,

then got a boost in orders/sales when The Doctor announced it was to stop production in the future.

Maybe the 2,680 till Feb is correct.

 

Just the cars First Registered have all sold in the past 6 months, rather than them keeping up numbers by Registering as Demonstrators.

George , accept the date is 2010 for the Fabia vRS MK2.- Skoda admin just took the launch of MK2 date and I didn't pick that up.

 

However , the figures on sales are from Skoda UK today.

Cheers, looks like they are continuing as last year, about 200 a quarter first registered.

 

Ask them the question, how many last quarter and this quarter are First Registered to Paying Customers,

and how many to Skoda UK or Dealers. 

Sometimes not the Dealership on the v5. a named person, Finance Manager or the likes.

WHY are we hell-bent on continually knocking the VRS? It's turning this section of the forum into anything but the enthusiast forum it's supposed to be (I thought) - and some of the comments are verging on trolling (not those on this thread).

Are you reading differently & putting some different meaning from what i type?

 

who is knocking the vRS, ?

200 a Quarter is double what they registered in 2013 per quarter.

& double the Polo & Ibiza Twinchargers in 2013

4 times the amount of A1's

 

I knock Skoda/VAG, not the vRS

Fed up of Skoda/VAG spin, and treating customers like Mushrooms.

I do draw lots of attention to their Design & Manufacturing faults with the Engines and Products they sell.

WHY are we hell-bent on continually knocking the VRS? It's turning this section of the forum into anything but the enthusiast forum it's supposed to be (I thought) - and some of the comments are verging on trolling (not those on this thread).

Glad you tempered the rant at the end.

 

As passion for the mark is there, just greatly frustrated by the way the Manufacturer has treated it's Cutomers, albeit about 20% of them (MK2)

 

I've loved my 3 Fabia vRS's (2 mk1 and 1 MK2) having good driving experience in all. 

is the VRS Mk 1really like the Mk2?

Well, most of the running gear and chassis are interchangeable, so yes.

Should they have done a diesel hot hatch?

Obviously.

but then have VW done an equivalent to the Polo GT 130TDI? Or SEAT with the Ibiza?

Yes, VW Polo and SEAT Ibiza are both available with the CR140 engine.

Double Post

Mk1 & to 2007 pre Face LIft Mk1

'PQ24 platform',

 

 Mk2 Face Lift 2010,

'PQ25 Platform' same as Mk4 Ibiza 2008, Mk5 Polo 2009, Type 8x A1.

New Audi S1 2014 on this platform modified & with Haldex/Quattro

Previous limited edition £41,000 A1 Quattro 2.0l Manual also on that platform.

 

So what fits fits and what does not, does not.

Well then, it must just be VAG marketing that says "Skoda shall not have a sellable TDI GTI".

It's a shame.

From everything I've read (still yet to drive one) about the VRS, they are ace little cars. Wolf in sheep's clothing, a bit of a bargain and obviously under appreciated.

Obviously on a forum which seems to be populated predominantly by VRS owners, with a smattering of other models and more and more Montes (just like real sales?) there will be a lot of criticism for the car, tongue in cheek ribbing (I've done some) and also plenty of love. For the car, before any of you get excited...

Let's see what the Mk3 brings.

the Skoda CEO is quoted to have said "no mk3 vRS",

 the Development Director is quoted to have said, "if there is a Demand we will build, we like to build".  (Paraphrasing)

 

I think maybe Skoda make very few or only little decisions and do as the Volkswagen Audi Group tell them to do.

 

If you take a Fabia Mk3 Rallying in 2015 then that might mean they need Homagation

so that maybe means 2,500 cars need building to base the car on for the Shape.

As was done with the 2012 Polo R WRC in Left hand drive only, 2,500 built.

A friend of mine has two Minis on the drive for running their family about. If we go out for a trip anyway together, we use my car... because we can fit everything in it, and it's more economical.

 

They'd still never buy a Skoda though, even though they admit they like my car. I think it's more of a brand/image thing than an engines/practicality thing. It's like a statement of what they can afford, just like tiny mobile phones were before everything went smart/iphoney. Unlike them, I'm not arsed what the Jones' are up to 

@ 5 - 6 minutes a bit about the Twinpower Turbos operation in the 2.0 litre 4 Cylinder Cooper S.

@10 - 11 minutes 0-60 mph

 

@ 5 - 6 minutes a bit about the Twinpower Turbos operation in the 2.0 litre 4 Cylinder Cooper S.

@10 - 11 minutes 0-60 mph

 

 

 

I'm very surprised at the Mini's detuned engine selection. We know the i8 uses a 230bhp version of the 1.5 3 cylinder engine but the Cooper gets a 134bhp version. 

And 2.0litre 4 cylinder Twin Power turbo's in BMW's are available with 245bhp (270bhp with pp) and 350NM 1250rpm-4800rpm. Yet the Cooper S gets 189bhp and 280NM 1250rpm-4200rpm.

 

Perhaps BMW are saving the more powerful version for their own line up?

 

Cheers

Lee