You will need such a low wax content to make it sprayable, that it will reduce its effectiveness completely

The way to go, I would of thought, would be a hard paste wax format

 

You may be right. No harm in trying though its more to condition the existing sealer for greater longevity than actually produce a spray wax. As you say if you want a wax there are many existing waxes out there that will do a far better job. However the sealer we have is extremely hydrophobic it just doesn't last very long its this issue im hoping to address. I'm no chemist though. Montan does blend very easily and mix with other soluble chems.

If durability is your main concern, why not get some Ceramic Sealer

It will last upwards of two years before re-application

Carbon Collective

Gtechnik C1

If durability is your main concern, why not get some Ceramic Sealer

It will last upwards of two years before re-application

Carbon Collective

Gtechnik C1

 

This would cost me money and it wont satisfy my curiosity for meddling with stuff. But thanks for confirming what the bench mark products are from a detailers perspective this will give me a base line for comparison.

SiO2 sealants are also very popular if you are looking for a very hard durable and long lasting coating.

Take a look at ArtDeShine and CarPro Cquartz

AG products have done me proud for many years and quite a few cars;

then i got interested in the "detailing" scene..... then the choice and options became endless.

 

Use what you can afford and i certainly think AG does well for what it is 

I would put some pics up if this gallery ever gets fixed! (sorry colin)    .

I was very impressed with the EGP didn't bother with the wax in the end.

Grrrrrr,

 

Did a comparison this weekend put autoglym EGP on the red car and Collinite 476 on the blue one after a quick hand polish of both and usual prep. Both looked really nice. Then next day anoyingly both covered in fine dust and to cap it off this morning I woke up to the bin men had jet washed everyone's bin on the street next to both my cars so both cars covered in a mixture of Bin Juice and I can only assume very strong detergent. Begs the question why do I bother?

 

Anyway if anyone was mildly interested in my R&D project into montan wax you might be interested to know I have some sample products to try. One is called Silco Phobe and is a Hydrophopic sealer. I have tested it on the forklifts at work and they are still beeding nicely I didn't even clean the paint first just rubbed it on. and wiped off. I imagine the results on a car will be similar to sonax BSD but much greater longevity. I aim to use on my cars next weekend and I will upload a video of the beading / sheeting, watch this space!

Result! the Hydrophopic liquid seams to work.

 

Its not designed for car paint work but as you can see its as hydrophobic as you can possibly get and should last a very long time. Its so far not having any adverse effect on the paintwork im using the red one as a Guiney pig. If the bonnet test is successful I will cover the car. and report back.

This looks brilliant!! More details please...

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Well I was fed up of the durability of waxes and sealers and as an engineer I thought I would think outside the box. So I approached some suppliers of hydrophobic sealers / aditives. I was originally after montan wax but they suggested this might be better. Its not strictly designed for cars but seams very good once applied.

I didnt clay or polish the car first just a quick jetwash then applied the milky coloured liquid liberally its not as nice to work with as a wax I just used a cloth to aplly and then MF to buff off. It was hard work tbh but I wet the mf slightly and it made it much easier. The beeding hopefully as you can see is asstonishing. I just hope now it doesnt have any harsh reaction with the paint. It smelled quite like vinegar. I forgot to dilute it so I bet if you put some in a spray bottle it would go on easy.

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Well I was fed up of the durability of waxes and sealers and as an engineer I thought I would think outside the box. So I approached some suppliers of hydrophobic sealers / aditives. I was originally after montan wax but they suggested this might be better. Its not strictly designed for cars but seams very good once applied.

I didnt clay or polish the car first just a quick jetwash then applied the milky coloured liquid liberally its not as nice to work with as a wax I just used a cloth to aplly and then MF to buff off. It was hard work tbh but I wet the mf slightly and it made it much easier. The beeding hopefully as you can see is asstonishing. I just hope now it doesnt have any harsh reaction with the paint. It smelled quite like vinegar. I forgot to dilute it so I bet if you put some in a spray bottle it would go on easy.

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I am very much looking forward to seeing how this progresses, e.g durability, destroyed paint etc etc, lol.

 

Did you try any on glass, wheels...?

 

Edit, just re-read your original post - let us know how you get on with the rest of the car!

Wouldn't mind having a pop round to look at this when you're happy with it Mark!

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Very interesting, but you will never be able to gauge long term durability unless you give the sealant completely prepped paintwork to bond with.

 

Interesting stuff though and for a homebrew product that sheeting looks good.

 

You say not designed for car paintwork, can you let us know what it's intended use is?

 

Also definitely test it on some glass!  It sounds far more like some glass sealants I have used (certainly going on application and smell)

Very interesting, but you will never be able to gauge long term durability unless you give the sealant completely prepped paintwork to bond with.

 

Interesting stuff though and for a homebrew product that sheeting looks good.

 

You say not designed for car paintwork, can you let us know what it's intended use is?

 

Also definitely test it on some glass!  It sounds far more like some glass sealants I have used (certainly going on application and smell)

 

 

Your welcome to have a free sample sparkly!

 

You can then test it yourself using proper methods. ;-)

 

Only Disclaimer I will make is that you obviously use at your own risk and you use gloves for application.

 

Its an aqueous emulsion of modified polysiloxane. Its a hydrophobing additive for construction materials.

(p.s. I wouldn't be as mad as me and use it on your daily runner lol)

Your welcome to have a free sample sparkly!

 

You can then test it yourself using proper methods. ;-)

 

Only Disclaimer I will make is that you obviously use at your own risk and you use gloves for application.

 

Its an aqueous emulsion of modified polysiloxane. Its a hydrophobing additive for construction materials.

(p.s. I wouldn't be as mad as me and use it on your daily runner lol)

 

Errm, I will see if I can get my hands on a panel for testing, because I promise you one thing, it aint going on my car

 

Jokes aside I am a little busy at the moment trialling future products for Wax Appeal so I am not the best canidate for trialling this for you I will gladly do it but I may take a while to get back with results.  However i imagine if you ask others on here to volunteer you will get plenty of offers.

 

Before you do go sending it to anyone, I suggest you get a belt and braces set of health and safety instructions so users can protect themselves adequately etc.  One of the compromises of consumer products is that they are relatively low risk to use.

Errm, I will see if I can get my hands on a panel for testing, because I promise you one thing, it aint going on my car

 

Jokes aside I am a little busy at the moment trialling future products for Wax Appeal so I am not the best canidate for trialling this for you I will gladly do it but I may take a while to get back with results.  However i imagine if you ask others on here to volunteer you will get plenty of offers.

 

Before you do go sending it to anyone, I suggest you get a belt and braces set of health and safety instructions so users can protect themselves adequately etc.  One of the compromises of consumer products is that they are relatively low risk to use.

 

Yep I have already got all the spec data sheets and coshh etc. It seams pretty benign not like the other sample I got which had warning triangles all over it which went straight in the hazardous waste tank at work lol.

I could offer the services off my rear (ooo errr!) 

 

meaning that my tailgate is had a massive scratch - so I have sourced a replacement that will be going on eventually. The only issue being would it be worthwhile test applying to the back of the car?

 

Plus being an amateur, my knowledge of how well a product is working may be limited.

 

But the offer is there!  

Sounds to me like a similar product to Thomson's Water Seal for brickwork

Sounds to me like a similar product to Thomson's Water Seal for brickwork

 

Might suit some cars more than others then

Why I was applying it I had the Dr pepper theme tune in my head "what's the worst that could happen"

Why I was applying it I had the Dr pepper theme tune in my head "what's the worst that could happen"

 

Do you really want me to answer that?

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