An aquaintance has posted a status and photo of his new car (a mk4 golf) on social media. Someone then asked what engine it was and he replied a remapped 1.8t and a respray badly done. I did a reg check and it comes up as a 1.6 SE in Green. I replied stating this to which he messaged me asking to remove this comment as he didn't want people knowing about the conversion as it was still registered as a 1.6 and green..not white.

I don't feel comfortable with this as surely insurance will be void and various other things I'm sure. Who do I report this to or is it simply normal!

It is normal but not correct.

 

The Replacement Engine Number needs given to the DVLA,  they might want it Checked, By a VIC done at a VOSA station,

The Engine Number is there to help to show if from a Vehicle Reported Stolen or Exported, From a Write off Class where parts should not be re-used etc.

 They might want to see Receipts/Invoices.

Then the Main Colour of the car needs Corrected on the V5 if different from what is showing on the Data Base & the V5.

 

Unless the Insurance Underwriter know the actual Engine in the car, it does not have Valid Insurance, 

and only 3rd party cover is in place.

 

The DVLA Site has a 'Report' section,

Just for catching out the likes of 'Ringers', and it is not Grassing, any of our cars can get nicked and Rung.

Or nicked and broken and parts used, like the engine.

I have the T Shirt, that is for car nicked, not nicking them..

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

It used to be quite easy to change things with the DVLA but do to lots of idiots doing the same as your mate it is no longer so.

The last time I looked into this was a few years ago and as follows.

Colour change is no problem just fill in the log book and send it in, You don't need to do this if you have it wrapped.

Engine number change is no problem just fill in the log book and send it in they may ask for proof of purchase,

Engine number and capacity change will need proof of purchase and may need an independent inspection.

 

His insurance will be invalid as he has put a bigger engine in and not told them.

You do not have to supply engine numbers to the dvla. They only care if youre paying less ved than you should.

Insurance on the other hand does matter.

Yes you do have to Provide Engine numbers to the DVLA.

 

If you have not had to fair enough, but that is not how the system works.

 

http://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificate/what-evidence-to-give

 

http://www.gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificate/changes-youll-need-to-update

 

And for a wrapped car it is easy and saves hassle if you do just change the V5, and change back if you revert to the original colour,

after all if the ANPR systems on Police Cars which will be much more in operation after October from when there are no Paper Tax Discs being issued flags up a Red Golf & a White one or what ever was the car having its number plate read, they might be stopping you to check.

No place does it say a Colour Change by a Wrap & Temporary is treated differently from a Respray, if the Colour is changed.

 

george

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Yes you do have to Provide Engine numbers to the DVLA.

If you have not had to fair enough, but that is not how the system works.

...

You've always had to notify engine numbers to the DVLA.

There used to be a pair of leaflets which caused confusion. If you didn't know the 'Changes to Registration Details' leaflet existed and found the 'Tax Disk Exchange Required?' leaflet, you might believe it was not necessary.

The situation with a colour change by wrap is an odd one. If you contact DVLA and ask if it is required, you will get a standard reply stating that it is not a requirement IF TEMPORARY, but if you notify them they will record it. If you claim it is temporary, you can be asked to remove it at the roadside :(

Why because it's temporary can you be asked to remove it on the roadside? Temporary or not surely no one can tell me when I have to remove it. I'd have though showing the shuts/engine bay to reveal the true colour would be enough. 

If you know that to be correct, then sorted,

and if you are never stopped and the vehicle checked, Police or VOSA roadside, no worries.

 

They will just advise you to inform the DVLA of the changes, 

and you can say it is in the Mail.

 

All Grey Areas with the DVLA , it always has been,

& worse with Local DVLA Offices Closed.

 

Anyway, i am happy with Cars being Stopped if Suss,  it might catch more Car Thieves and the likes.

Only those with something to hide need to be bothered with 5 minutes at the Road Side talking to Officers,

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Why because it's temporary can you be asked to remove it on the roadside? Temporary or not surely no one can tell me when I have to remove it. I'd have though showing the shuts/engine bay to reveal the true colour would be enough.

If you registered it 'temporary' and get pulled over for example 2 years later with the wrap still on it would be reasonable to make you remove it imho lol

An aquaintance has posted a status and photo of his new car (a mk4 golf) on social media. Someone then asked what engine it was and he replied a remapped 1.8t and a respray badly done. I did a reg check and it comes up as a 1.6 SE in Green. I replied stating this to which he messaged me asking to remove this comment as he didn't want people knowing about the conversion as it was still registered as a 1.6 and green..not white.

I don't feel comfortable with this as surely insurance will be void and various other things I'm sure. Who do I report this to or is it simply normal!

Maybe there is no engine transplant and he wanted you to remove the comment so as to avoid the embarrassment of everyone realising he lied about driving around in a crappy 1.6.....

Nah its deffo a 1.8t..photos of engine bay. Grr

If you registered it 'temporary' and get pulled over for example 2 years later with the wrap still on it would be reasonable to make you remove it imho lol

 

Whats the length of time that you can have it classed as temporary? 

The mongrel went to a local DVLA place to get its engine change verified and all sorted.  

Void insurance is one. Insurance company has car described as Golf (1.6)., Police decide to stop and find the engine is 1.8.  Call to ins co and car has no insurance, it gets siezed .Cost - £200 + £150  recovery , then £20 per day  plus 6 points. And since he's played funny with insurance details , insurance company and others might refuse. Add to that if he gets a company to take him on ,he's then got insurance revoked against his name. With higher costs.

Whats the length of time that you can have it classed as temporary?

No idea mate, you'd be best off asking the DVLA. But I'd imagine it is measured in days or weeks rather than years.

What is the issue with anyone that has got a Wrap on their car and a Colour change, popping the V5 in the post box with the Colour change on it.

 

Then in a few weeks it comes back, and the Colour Change will be on it,

or some mistake on the V5 as often happens.

 

Then if you spent £££ to ££££'s you have the change,  and when you change again, another 2nd Class Stamp and off the V5 goes again.

 

Some people just like to be a Dare Devil and look for problems with the Police etc. Rather than take the easy option.

Rebels without a cause,

or reading rules & regulations looking for a Rule or Clause that they can argue about.

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

What is the issue with anyone that has got a Wrap on their car and a Colour change, popping the V5 in the post box with the Colour change on it.

 

Then in a few weeks it comes back, and the Colour Change will be on it,

or some mistake on the V5 as often happens.

 

Then if you spent £££ to ££££'s you have the change,  and when you change again, another 2nd Class Stamp and off the V5 goes again.

 

Some people just like to be a Dare Devil and look for problems with the Police etc. Rather than take the easy option.

Rebels without a cause,

or reading rules & regulations looking for a Rule or Clause that they can argue about.

+1 on this. Spot on.

What is the issue with anyone that has got a Wrap on their car and a Colour change, popping the V5 in the post box with the Colour change on it.

 

Then in a few weeks it comes back, and the Colour Change will be on it,

or some mistake on the V5 as often happens.

 

Then if you spent £££ to ££££'s you have the change,  and when you change again, another 2nd Class Stamp and off the V5 goes again.

 

Some people just like to be a Dare Devil and look for problems with the Police etc. Rather than take the easy option.

Rebels without a cause,

or reading rules & regulations looking for a Rule or Clause that they can argue about.

 

Does it list changes to the colour on it? I could understand people not wanting to do it if it means the V5 will read 'Car has had colour change' Then under:

Black

White

Black

 

Otherwise I guess its the issue that the DVLA are saying a wrap is temporary, if you put a white wrap on a black car and send the V5C off as it now being white, it isnt. It's still black as far as the DVLA are concerned, so you're telling porkies. 

 

 

No idea mate, you'd be best off asking the DVLA. But I'd imagine it is measured in days or weeks rather than years.

 

 

Unless there is a time limit stated I cant see how anyone can say it needs taking off, temporary by definition means 'not permanent' which it isnt, the real colour is still underneath it. Personally if I were to want it on for any real length of time I'd just get it sprayed and be done with it anyway. 

Sorry but i was a spray painter and have had wrapped cars.

 

The Colour is what the General Public see,

the outside of the vehicle, they do not know if it is paint or sticky back plastic.  It has a Colour Change.

 

?? Do you have a wrap on your car by the way?

 

If your car was White & is now Black, your Insurance company Think they have Insurance on a White car unless you tell them it is Black.

If your car is Stolen you report a Black Car Missing, but tell the Police it might be White again with the removing of the Wrap.

 

Anyway, is there really an Issue?

 

A V5 does not say,  

Car has had colour change, White, Black White.   it will say White & when you notify them it is Black, it will say Black.

 

My V5 says the Colour my vehicle is now with a Wrap on, or when repainted, if i Paint another colour, or wrap it,

thats the Colour that will be on the Database, & ANPR will Show.

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

No, my car is unwrapped. My point was, if DVLA say a wrap is temporary and not to change it, then you do exactly that you're doing the opposite of what they are saying you should do. If they said a wrap needs notifying then I agree, no brainer.  

Can you link where you see them say that?

If you contact DVLA and ask if it is required, you will get a standard reply stating that it is not a requirement IF TEMPORARY

That is a Briskoda Member giving his experience, and if he got that in writing fine.

 

There are changes because the Paper Tax Disc goes from October,

Verbal Advice and assurances are never worth the paper they are not written on.

(Like a Verbal Warning at work, ask to get it in writing. & have someone sign & date it, with their real name.)

 

http://vehiclewrapfilms.co.uk/content/2014-04-03-dvla-vehicle-wrap-registration-changes

 

So back to this.

http://gov.uk/change-vehicle-details-registration-certificate/changes-youll-need-to-update

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Yup, hence why I said IF DVLA say a wrap is temp. The quoted member isn't the first person I've had say that's dvlas response to the question either.

That was then, this is now.  

So we go with the Flow, and the internet forums will give both sides or many sides.  Come time it catches up.

 

None of which count for very much when stopped at the roadside having your car checked over.

Edited 26 July, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi