Some actual details on Fabia 3 fuel consumptions etc...

 

http://www.worldcarfans.com/114081779715/skoda-drops-two-additional-teasers-for-2015-fabia

 

We've lost count of the number of teasers released by Skoda in the last few days but hopefully we are getting closer to a full reveal of the Czech supermini which will be offered in hatchback and wagon body styles. There won't be an RS version while the evolved PQ25 platform will enable a weight loss of up to 65 kg (143 lbs).

 

All engines will meet the stricter Euro 6 emissions and on average the fuel consumption will decrease by 17 percent. Four gasoline motors will be on offer, kicking off with a three-cylinder 1.0-liter MPI rated at 60 PS (44 kW) while at the other end of the range will be a 4-cylinder 1.2-liter TSI delivering 110 PS (81 kW).

A 1.4 TDI direct-injection common-rail diesel will be available with 75 PS (55 kW) and 105 PS (77 kW).

 

Towards the end of 2015 there will be a Fabia GreenLine with the 75 PS 1.4 TDI engine along with low-rolling resistance tires, start/stop, aerodynamic optimizations and kinetic energy recuperation which will allow the frugal Fabia to consume just 3.1 liters / 100 km (75.8 mpg US or 91.1 mpg UK) with 82 g/km of CO2 emissions.

Look for an online reveal sometime next week while a public debut will occur in October at the Paris Motor Show. Since production is rumored to commence at the end of August, sales of the third generation Fabia will probably kick off shortly after the auto show in France.

Source: Skoda

Read Fabia 3 New engines

Read Fabia 3 New engines

 

I am not sure if the improved fuel consumption comes entirely from the engine or as much from lower weight, slightly improved aerodynamics and better engine management unit.

 

It is an absolute disgrace that the Fabia 2 petrols are not all under the 120 gram cheap road tax, Skoda UK must have lost hundreds of sales due to that.  At least that is largely solved it sounds like.

 

The Octavia using the MQB still looks and sounds a quantum leap better than the Fabia 3 and even though I would prefer something Rapid size the technical difference is just too much in favour of the Octy. 

The Platform is about the Manufacturers Production, and not necessarily about a better performing car.

It might be better performing, but only where the components used do improve. 

 

It might be lighter, but they can do lighter with leaving out spare wheels and the fixtures and fitting and body panels, less paint etc.

That can lead to rubbish glass & windscreens that are prone to breaking.

 

Other manufacturers are now on Composite Components in the Suspension etc.

We are still talking a Platform like as is now, different name, but no mater what Code Name you give it. MQB is nothing special.

It is just their way of using a module that can be adapted for multiple applications.

Emperors Clothes possibly.

 

http://autoblog.com/2014/08/04/vw-macht-quits-mqb-platform-problems

 

The one thing you can be sure of with the Volkswagen Group is that they are very reliable at getting things wrong regularly.

http://autoblog.com/2014/08/11/volkswagen-recalls-150k-tiguan-fuel-bubbles

Edited 18 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

The Platform is about the Manufacturers Production, and not necessarily about a better performing car.

It might be better performing, but only where the components used do improve. 

 

It might be lighter, but they can do lighter with leaving out spare wheels and the fixtures and fitting and body panels, less paint etc.

That can lead to rubbish glass & windscreens that are prone to breaking.

 

Other manufacturers are now on Composite Components in the Suspension etc.

We are still talking a Platform like as is now, different name, but no mater what Code Name you give it. MQB is nothing special.

It is just their way of using a module that can be adapted for multiple applications.

Emperors Clothes possibly.

 

http://autoblog.com/2014/08/04/vw-macht-quits-mqb-platform-problems

 

The one thing you can be sure of with the Volkswagen Group is that they are very reliable at getting things wrong regularly.

http://autoblog.com/2014/08/11/volkswagen-recalls-150k-tiguan-fuel-bubbles

 

Hi George

 

All that said the Octavia three range is achiving lower CO2 fgiures than the Rapid/Spaceback range so something in the MQB platform is doing the business and this means hundreds of pounds less road tax over the life of the car. 

 

Fuel consumption of the Octy 3 is also impressive in both diesel and petrol modes.

 

Like some other comments, and the fact I drive a Fabia 2 VRS and regard its performance as just about adequate but are drawn by something like a Focus ST, the Fabia 3, as projected, as largely the Rapids are too, are cooking models and a disappointing as there is no hot or even warm version in the Fabia/Rapid range.

 

Do not really want a giant Octy 3 but the technology of the Fabia/Rapid appears so yesterday, compared to the MQB with its performance, economy and safety one is lead to the conclusion that the Fabia3/Rapid is a half hearted replacement and if one is to stay with Skoda then the Octy 3 is a quantum better car or to go elsewhere ie ST (shame no auto yet) or SEAT Cupra/FR or the like. 

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

Platform is the Metal, the shape, the Base on what you put the components, what many called a chassis.(even though it is not a chassis)

 

The engines are getting the economy,

and the suspension the handling not the fact the 'platform' is called MQB.

 

Greenlines can have a bit less weight, a bit lower, and a bit smoother underneath and get lower fuel uses with whatever Platform they call it.

 

All i am saying is a 'PQ25-26 plus 3/4' that has all the right running gear,

might be not much different from a 'Minus .5 MQB-A short' with rubbish parts added.

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Platform is the Metal, the shape, the Base on what you put the components, what many called a chassis.(even though it is not a chassis)

 

The engines are getting the economy,

and the suspension the handling not the fact the 'platform' is called MQB.

 

Greenlines can have a bit less weight, a bit lower, and a bit smoother underneath and get lower fuel uses with whatever Platform they call it.

 

All i am saying is a 'PQ25-26 plus 3/4' that has all the right running gear,

might be not much different from a 'Minus .5 MQB-A short' with rubbish parts added.

 

But is it tempting you?

 

Great if Fabia 3s are all under 120 grams/km CO2, great if they do 60 mpg as a petrol car and 70-85 mpg as a diesel but I do not think I can live with 0-60 in 10 to 15 seconds.

 

With the Octy I can get the same CO2, due to the 100Kgs off the Octy 2 weight, better aerodynamic shape and motorway MPG.  Also I get a 1.4 TSI that can 0-60 in 8 seconds combined with the 55-60 mpg and £35 road tax (with the DSG of course).

 

When comparing the Fabia 3 (on what we know so far) to the Octy 3 on paper the Octy 3, for those of us who want a bit of oomph, and even when I do not really want the Octy size and would prefer something Fabia sized, the Fab3 spec does not add up for those who want a car for all road types and not just an urban car. 

 

Maybe it is just a Fabia 2 VRS owner thing but I thnk it is more than that.  All Fabia 3 should be 99 gram/CO2 IMO but I fear VAG are often keen that the premier brands ie Audi and VW, and even the sports brand SEAT, have better CO2, consumption etc so most customers lean towards the non-Skoda VAG brands sadly.    

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

60PS, 110PS and 75PS?  Be still my beating heart.

60PS, 110PS and 75PS?  Be still my beating heart.

 

Anything under 100 hp /tonne (of all up wieght with driver, luggage) is a sentence rather than a pleasure.

 

I spend half my working days in the car and have to amuse myself and blowing off 2 litre Audi, BMW (diesel) rep cars keeps me smiling during the long drives. 

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

lol-lol

Many things will temp me before October 2015 when anything new Type approved will have to be Euro 6 Emissions.

I like Euro 4 cars, and am OK with my Euro 5, and as long as not a diesel there are plenty of choices that are suitable.

 

Low co2 g/km & VED or HMRC Tax can be the worry of Business users.  

They can save the planet, i just want cars that go and stop and handle & do not cost the earth.  

(Or get recycled into the earth every 7 years.)

lol-lol

Many things will temp me before October 2015 when anything new Type approved will have to be Euro 6 Emissions.

I like Euro 4 cars, and am OK with my Euro 5, and as long as not a diesel there are plenty of choices that are suitable.

 

Low co2 g/km & VED or HMRC Tax can be the worry of Business users.  

They can save the planet, i just want cars that go and stop and handle & do not cost the earth.  

(Or get recycled into the earth every 7 years.)

 

Oh sounds like there could be a big sell off of EURO 5 cars then?

 

I sometimes get involved in customs warehouses for cars, use to look after one of them at the port with tens of thousands of cars in it.

 

If you cannot import a EURO 5 car after 1st of October then expect a glut of super cheap EURO 5 cars in late September or Q4 at knocked down prices.

 

There was another law change a few years ago when the chrome could not be produced by a certain chemical process and for one S.Korean importer we arranged the import of a couple of thousand cars in to Free Circulation at the glut had to be moved on of course. 

 

Cars stored in the customs warehouses and stores are sometimes many months or even a year or two old.

 

Sounds like a receipe for some to delay purchase until after the September Reg rush to pick up a bargain before Xmas ! 

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

Well the image of the complete car and the Designers thoughts on things are now on the Skoda Website and linked in other threads.

 

'Emotional', 'Sportier',   they just dropped the 'Squat' it seems.

 

Do not really want a giant Octy 3 but the technology of the Fabia/Rapid appears so yesterday, compared to the MQB with its performance, economy and safety one is lead to the conclusion that the Fabia3/Rapid is a half hearted replacement and if one is to stay with Skoda then the Octy 3 is a quantum better car or to go elsewhere ie ST (shame no auto yet) or SEAT Cupra/FR or the like. 

 

Could you be more specific about this big difference in technology? The TSI engines in the Fabia are the same new ones as in the MQB Golf/Octavia e.t.c.

 

The Rapid will get them when it is facelifted, probably end of next year.

Could you be more specific about this big difference in technology? The TSI engines in the Fabia are the same new ones as in the MQB Golf/Octavia e.t.c.

 

The Rapid will get them when it is facelifted, probably end of next year.

 

Well it is the speciifcations that get me with the Fabia/Rapid over the Octy3.

 

So the Rapid 122 HP 1.4 TSI - DSG 134 g/Km.  50 Mpg

 

Octavia 3, 140 HP 1.4TSI - DSG 116 g/Km.  56 Mpg.

 

How can a vehicle that is 8 inches longer be much more lower CO2 and fuel consumption?  

 

Weight is very similar despite the Octy being much larger.

 

Well long vehicles often are more economical as their shape allow them to be more aerodynamic but the full answer is somewhat of a mystery. 

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

Well it is the speciifcations that get me with the Fabia/Rapid over the Octy3.

 

So the Rapid 122 HP 1.4 TSI - DSG 134 g/Km.  50 Mpg

 

Octavia 3, 140 HP 1.4TSI - DSG 116 g/Km.  56 Mpg.

 

How can a vehicle that is 8 inches longer be much more lower CO2 and fuel consumption?  

 

Weight is very similar despite the Octy being much larger.

 

Well long vehicles often are more economical as their shape allow them to be more aerodynamic but the full answer is somewhat of a mystery. 

 

It's not the same engine.. the TSI in the Octavia is the new generation, Rapid is still running the old until facelift time.

 

Full specs have not been released for the Fabia yet so not sure why you're condeming it already?

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by RapidRonnie

The Fuel Figures and Emission figures for the EU Testing as Published by the Manufacturers are done inside, & on a rolling road without the Effect of Wind Tunnels, so not sure that in truth the long roof and different tailgate of an estate verse hatch or longer saloon roof make a difference.

http://www.carthrottle.com/the-introduction-of-the-new-skoda-fabia-means-the-sad-death-of-the-mighty-vrs/

 

It seems that there will be no VRS model with the new Fabia :(

But then we were told that 12 months ago by the Skoda CEO Dr Winfried Vahland, so not really news now.

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

It's not the same engine.. the TSI in the Octavia is the new generation, Rapid is still running the old until facelift time.

 

Full specs have not been released for the Fabia yet so not sure why you're condeming it already?

 

I will be very pleased if the Fabia, Rapid and Rapid Sportsback get a drop in their fuel consumption figures and CO2 figures by about 17% and it would put the Rapid particularly back on my consideration list.

 

If they dropped the 140 or even 160 hp 1.4 TSI engines in them that would be even better.

 

I would be doubly pleased if these cars across the board vastly reduced the tax receipts of Vehicle Excise Duty to the UK Government though you got to think that goal posts moving must be under very active consideration if most new vehicles are under the 120 grams by the end of the year.  Could be an interesting mega sell off in Q4 perhaps of pre-registered vehicles. 

 

 

Petrol car (TC48) and diesel car (TC49)

 

Band CO2 emission (g/km)    12 months rate          6 months rate

 

A Up to 100                             £0.00                      Not available

B 101-110                               £20.00                    Not available

C 111-120                               £30.00                   Not available

D 121-130                               £110.00                 £60.50

E 131-140                               £130.00                 £71.50

F 141-150                               £145.00                 £79.75

 

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

They will have to do something with the Rapid and other models (even Octy III) engines next summer, as currently many are Euro5. However come September 2015 new registrations have to conform to Euro6.

 

 

TP

Is it not 'New Type Approved', from then?

 

http://nextgreencar.com/caremissions.php

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Is it not 'New Type Approved', from then?

 

http://nextgreencar.com/caremissions.php

 

Type approval is September this year, although according to Skoda Germany the Fabia III rolls on the type approval number of the Fabia II.

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/325291-engine-codes-and-wheel-sizes-for-the-fabia-iii-published/

 

 

TP

Yes i read that post when you made it.

 

So are you saying that any New Models of car requiring Type Approval must be Type Approved as Euro 6 Emissions between this September 2014 & September 2015,

or they can not be Registered in the EU / UK after September 2015. ?

 

As to the Mk2 Fabia FL Replacement, the car in this Section being called a Fabia III, 

it has the Platform & Brake Systems and Engines as the Current 2014 Polo Facelift, so that will be the Type Approval covered in double and 

treble, just as the Seat Ibiza Cupra 2013 was in January a year back.

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

I will be very pleased if the Fabia, Rapid and Rapid Sportsback get a drop in their fuel consumption figures and CO2 figures by about 17% and it would put the Rapid particularly back on my consideration list.

 

 

Skoda claim the Fabia offers "up to" 17 percent better economy than the current version.

 

C02 figures for the facelifted Polo with the new engines are as follows, and it seems that the Fabia should be slightly better than that:

 

1.0 60BHP: 106 g/km

1.0 75BHP :108 g/km

1.2 TSI 90BHP: 107 g/km

1.2 TSI 110BHP: 110 g/km

1.4 TDI 75BHP: 88 g/km 

1.4 TDI 90BHP: 88g/km

 

The figures you quote for the Rapid/Octavia are not like for like as the Octy has energy recovery and start/stop as standard. The Rapid with those bits hits 125g/km and 51.4mpg.

They currently offer great Fuel Economy with Diesel Consumption and great MPG figures.

 

Only they do not factor into Urban, Extra Urban & Combined figures as with the EU testing the Regeneration of some owners DPF and total waste of fuel when that occurs.

 

So until Fuel Economy figures and Emissions are only based on vehicles with Drivers and Passengers on roads in the outdoors it is all fiction 

and Comparisons.

A sample 1000 vehicles monitored for Fuel use in the reakl world, for the first 6 Months after being sold to the public would possibly be some place to get Averages from.

Edited 19 August, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi