Skoda claim the Fabia offers "up to" 17 percent better economy than the current version.

 

C02 figures for the facelifted Polo with the new engines are as follows, and it seems that the Fabia should be slightly better than that:

 

1.0 60BHP: 106 g/km

1.0 75BHP :108 g/km

1.2 TSI 90BHP: 107 g/km

1.2 TSI 110BHP: 110 g/km

1.4 TDI 75BHP: 88 g/km 

1.4 TDI 90BHP: 88g/km

 

The figures you quote for the Rapid/Octavia are not like for like as the Octy has energy recovery and start/stop as standard. The Rapid with those bits hits 125g/km and 51.4mpg.

 

Surely the Fabia 3 would be the same or if anything a little more CO2, less MPG than the Polo as the Fabia is usually taller and more block like than the Polo or A1?

 

Plus I am convinced that VAG like to the Skoda brand to be slightly less attractive in all ways, except the price !

 

Octy 3 is still more economical and lower CO2 even than a greenline Rapid 1.4 TSI DSG for some other reason on the extra urban cycle, newer TSI engine you suggest.

They currently offer great Fuel Economy with Diesel Consumption and great MPG figures.

 

Only they do not factor into Urban, Extra Urban & Combined figures as with the EU testing the Regeneration of some owners DPF and total waste of fuel when that occurs.

 

So until Fuel Economy figures and Emissions are only based on vehicles with Drivers and Passengers on roads in the outdoors it is all fiction 

and Comparisons.

A sample 1000 vehicles monitored for Fuel use in the reakl world, for the first 6 Months after being sold to the public would possibly be some place to get Averages from.

 

Difficult one.  Fortunately I no longer pay company car tax on CO2.  Just get a car allowance and a fuel card and reclaim the tax on the business miles. 

 

I tend to get fuel consumption close to manufacturers figures (except they do not do a mpg classification for driving with throttle as on-off switch) but then I live in the quiter west of England, tend to drive lon journeys, usually more than 100 miles so the start up few miles is a small part of the journey.  Where most people live in the crowded SE of England, do short journeys if 10 miles or less and hece there fuel consumption is only about three quarters of the manufacturers figures no surprise.  Not sure user figures would mean that much as fuelly seems to show. 

Surely the Fabia 3 would be the same or if anything a little more CO2, less MPG than the Polo as the Fabia is usually taller and more block like than the Polo or A1?

 

Plus I am convinced that VAG like to the Skoda brand to be slightly less attractive in all ways, except the price !

 

Octy 3 is still more economical and lower CO2 even than a greenline Rapid 1.4 TSI DSG for some other reason on the extra urban cycle, newer TSI engine you suggest.

 

From the data which has been released the new Fabia will be slightly lighter than the current Polo with the same engines. The only C02 level Skoda have quoted thus far is for the Greenline TDI which at 82 C02 and 91mpg are both better than the equivalent Polo.

 

Rapid/Octy, yes I would suggest the improvement on the Octy is in the new engine as the Rapid is both lighter and has a better drag coef. than the Octy.

From the data which has been released the new Fabia will be slightly lighter than the current Polo with the same engines. The only C02 level Skoda have quoted thus far is for the Greenline TDI which at 82 C02 and 91mpg are both better than the equivalent Polo.

 

Rapid/Octy, yes I would suggest the improvement on the Octy is in the new engine as the Rapid is both lighter and has a better drag coef. than the Octy.

 

Is it this that the Octy 3 has, and soon the Fabia and Rapids, ie uses the latest VW EA211 engines then? 

Sounds clever.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_petrol_engines

 

EA211[edit]

The EA211 engines are a completely new four-cylinder turbocharged and direct-injection TSI engines. Compared to its predecessor, the EA211 series is significantly more compact, with installation length 50 mm shorter, thus offering more interior space. The installation position of the engines has also been optimised. Just as in the diesels, the petrol engines are now mounted with the exhaust side facing backwards and tilted at an angle of 12 degrees. The weight of these petrol engines made of die-cast aluminium is only 97 kg for the 1.2 TSI and 106 kg for the 1.4 TSI. The crankshaft alone became lighter by 20 per cent; the connecting rods lost 30 per cent of their weight. In addition the connecting rod bearing journals are now hollow-drilled and pistons now come with flat bottoms, all of them optimized for lower weight. Regarding thermal management, the EA211 petrol engine is equipped with a modern dual-circuit cooling system. That means that a high temperature circuit with a mechanically driven cooling pump cools the basic engine, while a low temperature circuit flows through the intercooler and the turbo-charger casing. The cylinder-head circuit heats the cabin's interior. The exhaust manifold is integrated into the cylinder head, enabling the engine to warm up more quickly, in turn making heat available quickly for the passenger cabin. At high loads, the exhaust is cooled by the coolant, lowering fuel consumption.

 

 

I think there was another thread on this but could not see a conclusion.   Always interested where/how this technology actually eminates from or whether it is smoke and mirrors ie designing or using the EMU to map to make it look like good figures but in the real world does not material and can produce odd holes in the driveability. 

Edited 20 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

Is it this that the Octy 3 has, and soon the Fabia and Rapids, ie uses the latest VW EA211 engines then? 

Sounds clever.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Volkswagen_Group_petrol_engines

 

EA211[edit]

The EA211 engines are a completely new four-cylinder turbocharged and direct-injection TSI engines. Compared to its predecessor, the EA211 series is significantly more compact, with installation length 50 mm shorter, thus offering more interior space. The installation position of the engines has also been optimised. Just as in the diesels, the petrol engines are now mounted with the exhaust side facing backwards and tilted at an angle of 12 degrees. The weight of these petrol engines made of die-cast aluminium is only 97 kg for the 1.2 TSI and 106 kg for the 1.4 TSI. The crankshaft alone became lighter by 20 per cent; the connecting rods lost 30 per cent of their weight. In addition the connecting rod bearing journals are now hollow-drilled and pistons now come with flat bottoms, all of them optimized for lower weight. Regarding thermal management, the EA211 petrol engine is equipped with a modern dual-circuit cooling system. That means that a high temperature circuit with a mechanically driven cooling pump cools the basic engine, while a low temperature circuit flows through the intercooler and the turbo-charger casing. The cylinder-head circuit heats the cabin's interior. The exhaust manifold is integrated into the cylinder head, enabling the engine to warm up more quickly, in turn making heat available quickly for the passenger cabin. At high loads, the exhaust is cooled by the coolant, lowering fuel consumption.

 

Yes, the Octy already has the EA211 engines, the Fabia3 has them and the Rapid will get them too (probably late next year)

Yes, the Octy already has the EA211 engines, the Fabia3 has them and the Rapid will get them too (probably late next year)

 

Be interesting to see the prices of the Fabia 3 in relation to the Fabia 2 and then the discounts on the Fabia 2s and non-EA211 Rapids as the new engined Rapids start to come through.

 

Speaking to a Skoda insider today they predicted that the gradual increase in diesel cars as a percentage of sales would now reverse and petrol would be the dominate fuel choice as EUR6 is more difficult to acheive in the diesels and there would be penalties for taking EUR5 diesels and below in to London and perhaps other city/areas.

Edited 20 August, 201411 yr by lol-lol

Be interesting to see the prices of the Fabia 3 in relation to the Fabia 2 and then the discounts on the Fabia 2s and non-EA211 Rapids as the new engined Rapids start to come through.

 

Speaking to a Skoda insider today they predicted that the gradual increase in diesel cars as a percentage of sales would now reverse and petrol would be the dominate fuel choice as EUR6 is more difficult to acheive in the diesels and there would be penalties for taking EUR5 diesels and below in to London and perhaps other city/areas.

 

Funny thing the dealer who supplied our Rapid said the same; expecting petrol sales in the small car sector at least, to be higher than they have been, as they become more efficient and the diesels get more costly to buy and maintain.

 

We we're originally looking at a ex demo diesel but ended up with an unregistered in stock petrol for not much more money; very pleased so far with the switch from a diesel as our main car.

 

 

TP

Funny thing the dealer who supplied our Rapid said the same; expecting petrol sales in the small car sector at least, to be higher than they have been, as they become more efficient and the diesels get more costly to buy and maintain.

 

We we're originally looking at a ex demo diesel but ended up with an unregistered in stock petrol for not much more money; very pleased so far with the switch from a diesel as our main car.

 

TP

That said I do like the look of the 90 hp dsg diesel with its torque figures and consumption etc.

Be interesting to see the prices of the Fabia 3 in relation to the Fabia 2 and then the discounts on the Fabia 2s and non-EA211 Rapids as the new engined Rapids start to come through.

 

Speaking to a Skoda insider today they predicted that the gradual increase in diesel cars as a percentage of sales would now reverse and petrol would be the dominate fuel choice as EUR6 is more difficult to acheive in the diesels and there would be penalties for taking EUR5 diesels and below in to London and perhaps other city/areas.

 

Skoda are already offering Fabia SE 1.2s for £9595 which looks like a bargain compared to the Citigo.

 

I guess they'll facelift the Rapid at the same time as the engine changes, hopefully just in time for when the warranty runs out on my current car

Skoda are already offering Fabia SE 1.2s for £9595 which looks like a bargain compared to the Citigo.

 

I guess they'll facelift the Rapid at the same time as the engine changes, hopefully just in time for when the warranty runs out on my current car

 

Having driven a CityGo a few miles with the newer 1.0 ltr 3cyliner engines, I actually prefer the old 1.2HTP, feels like it has more willingness and go. So a Fabia II HTP to me is the better buy.

 

Also be interesting to see how the new 1.2TSI 16v 110 performs against the current 1.2TSI 8v 105, which hasn't had a long production life in the grand scheme of things; first appeared just under 5 years ago in the Yeti, compared to the venerable HTP.

 

 

 

TP

Having driven a CityGo a few miles with the newer 1.0 ltr 3cyliner engines, I actually prefer the old 1.2HTP, feels like it has more willingness and go. So a Fabia II HTP to me is the better buy.

 

Also be interesting to see how the new 1.2TSI 16v 110 performs against the current 1.2TSI 8v 105, which hasn't had a long production life in the grand scheme of things; first appeared just under 5 years ago in the Yeti, compared to the venerable HTP.

 

 

 

TP

 

Agree on the HTP vs. 1.0 litre.. I felt the HTP was a little more refined and responsive from lower revs too.. but it can't rival the economy or emissions of the Citigo.

 

I have the 85BHP TSI - great engine. Smooth, punchy, economical, refined...

Agree on the HTP vs. 1.0 litre.. I felt the HTP was a little more refined and responsive from lower revs too.. but it can't rival the economy or emissions of the Citigo.

 

I have the 85BHP TSI - great engine. Smooth, punchy, economical, refined...

 

I get given the 86 hp TSI as a loan car and am always amazed how good it is.  But I need the DSG with the miles I do and then I get hit with the higher CO2 and road tax.   

 

New engines look like they will solve this thankfully (unless government change the rules of course).

At high loads, the exhaust is cooled by the coolant, lowering fuel consumption

Should read "At high loads a valve in the exhaust opens and it sounds like an absolute forking beast".

Never gonna happen...... ;-)

Read today fabia has pushstart where the ignition key goes odd place to put it only on higher than s spec

Having driven a CityGo a few miles with the newer 1.0 ltr 3cyliner engines, I actually prefer the old 1.2HTP, feels like it has more willingness and go. So a Fabia II HTP to me is the better buy.

 

Also be interesting to see how the new 1.2TSI 16v 110 performs against the current 1.2TSI 8v 105, which hasn't had a long production life in the grand scheme of things; first appeared just under 5 years ago in the Yeti, compared to the venerable HTP.

 

 

 

TP

Just test drive a polo 1.2tsi? Thats already available with the 110hp unit, according to the website.

Read today fabia has pushstart where the ignition key goes odd place to put it only on higher than s spec

Maybe just to cover up the hole where the ignition key would go? Haha.

The key spec I want to see on the Fabia 3 is the Active Cylinder Technology.

 

It is available on the Audi, SEATs and VWs that use the 1.4 ACT engines and it is a game changer.

 

Petrol cars that do over 60 mpg and emissions less than 120 grams/km.

 

I will either wait until this is available on the Skodas, or until the Skodas are so discounted as people go for the ACTs in other brands or choose one of the differnt VAG brands.

 

Hope Skoda get it soon.