Hi all.

 

I've had my TSI VRS for a year now and put about 20k miles on the car.

 

It is one of the best cars I've ever owned and for that reason, I will be treating it to more power on the 18 November.

 

Superchips have recently cracked the Golf MK7 GTI and are now able to remap via the OBD. Their Bleufin device for this engine won't be ready for now, however the map is.

 

It is clear that these engines are turning out a lot more power from factory, which has always been the case, however on this latest engine the margin seems a lot bigger.

 

Superchips have achieved over 310BHP on 95 ron fuel, however this can be as high as 330bhp if you opt for their stage 2 software.

 

I used to have 2 x mk5 GTI's one was an ed30 kicking out 300bhp, both were tuned by Superchips and both had no issues and kept going strong for the 30k miles I put on both cars, hence why I'm willing to let Superchips see what they can do with the OC3 VRS.

 

Suffice to see I'm really looking forward to seeing what can be done on the 18th, here's hoping for that golden 330bhp number in light of me running 99 ron fuel for the last 15k miles.

 

I will post the graphs/details/impact on fuel etc as soon as I can after the 18th and feedback with a proper road test once I've managed to wipe the smile of my face.

 

I'll keep you all posted, however with 240bhp/tonne, it might take me a while to prise myself away from the car     

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I hope you have a flipping company fuel card mate!!! I did 18k in my mk V before chopping it in...dont get me wrong I never expected it to be economical but as the speedo went up the fuel gauge went the opposite way.

 

Please let us all know how you get on..330...now that would be something.

With only front wheel drive, not for me. But good luck. Have you asked the insurance company and Skoda warranty how they feel.

Thats too slow.. cant even get out of the parking lot with that.

 

I want 450PS 4x4 Octavia.

Sounds interesting. Look forward to hearing more about this, and how you get on. Price would also be very interesting.

With only front wheel drive, not for me. But good luck. Have you asked the insurance company and Skoda warranty how they feel.

Seeing that the standard tsi vrs can spin the wheels damn easily I tend to agree.  I wonder if a limited slip differential (wavetrac, peloquin, quaife) would be a better performance upgrade.  Similar sort of cost.  LSD might make extra power from a remap much more usable.  However, I'll be interested to here what happens, i'm sure OP will be pleased.

With only front wheel drive, not for me. But good luck. Have you asked the insurance company and Skoda warranty how they feel.

I have on both counts, i always insure for the mod on the car, it's not worth taking the risk and as for the warranty, when I bought the car, the dealer that I bought it from that I know very well wanted to know how long I'd leave it before mapping the car and once I had done it, could I take it back so they could have a go in it.

 

Warranty wise I'm not concerned as will still have a 3yr warranty on the map, I've claimed on this before and it was very good from Superchips.

 

FWD can handle the power, you just need to know how to use it, after all, I'm not after this for the traffic light grand prix, it's more about the improvement in the middle of the rev bank that I'm interested in.

Seeing that the standard tsi vrs can spin the wheels damn easily I tend to agree.  I wonder if a limited slip differential (wavetrac, peloquin, quaife) would be a better performance upgrade.  Similar sort of cost.  LSD might make extra power from a remap much more usable.  However, I'll be interested to here what happens, i'm sure OP will be pleased.

LSD will be a consideration, however my 300bhp GTI ed30 handled the power fine, I had it mapped to improve the whole rev band and not just be a 0-60 mean machine.

 

I'm going to see how it goes and then look in to the LSD. Will keep you posted.

Edited 7 November, 201411 yr by Telboy5

LSD will be a consideration, however my 300bhp GTI ed30 handled the power fine, I had it mapped to improve the whole rev band and not just be a 0-60 mean machine.

 

I'm going to see how it goes and then look in to the LSD. Will keep you posted.

please do, like lots of others I'll be interested to here what you think.  If you do go for a LSD too I'd really like to know how that goes.

 

I know remaps aren't just about getting away from the lights quicker, but I still tend to think the tsi vrs isn't short on oomph and its not the limiting factor in may circumstances.  Fun though I'm sure.  Why did you choose super chips over APR or Revo?

The extra 100lb/ft of torque should make 3rd gear pull like 2nd and 6th close to 4th. 1st will show no benefit and 2nd will scrabble its wheels under full throttle on anything other than track tarmac, but 3rd and upwards will be extremely strong. 30 to 80 in 3rd will be awesome, and no need to change down from 6th during motorway overtakes.

The extra 100lb/ft of torque should make 3rd gear pull like 2nd and 6th close to 4th. 1st will show no benefit and 2nd will scrabble its wheels under full throttle on anything other than track tarmac, but 3rd and upwards will be extremely strong. 30 to 80 in 3rd will be awesome, and no need to change down from 6th during motorway overtakes.

Spot on and one of the many reasons why I'd like to have the remap. Being a DSG too, it'll make the kick down function that little bit more exciting too 

please do, like lots of others I'll be interested to here what you think.  If you do go for a LSD too I'd really like to know how that goes.

 

I know remaps aren't just about getting away from the lights quicker, but I still tend to think the tsi vrs isn't short on oomph and its not the limiting factor in may circumstances.  Fun though I'm sure.  Why did you choose super chips over APR or Revo?

To be honest, either of the three would have done it for me, however I've had 3 x cars mapped by SC and all but one have been perfect sailing and gone very well. The one with the issue was a new clio sport turbo that was mapped to 240bhp, however the EGC box Renault use just didn't get on with the map along with a few other issues.

 

I've never had problems with the VAG cars they've mapped so hoping this will be the same.

 

Will have to see and will of course keep you all posted after a good run in the car.

 

As for the LSD, this was on the shopping list for the ed30 too, however in the end I didn't bother as I learnt how to use the power in a controlled fashion. Buddy of mine did have the LSD and still managed to get the wheels going in certain circumstances although his was running 340bhp 

As a note to all, I believe this map will be available for around the £365 mark for stage 1 (310bhp), however I will of course ask for the usual forum discount, will feedback once properly tested.

£365?! blimey that is a lot less than apr and revo, they are about £600 I think.  the money saved pays for ...a set of front tyres ...and something tells me you may need them! 

Seems a good price if that's the case as apr and revo nearly twice that

Do you have any sources for the Superchips OBD port flash? All Google is giving me is their tuning box.

Do you have any sources for the Superchips OBD port flash? All Google is giving me is their tuning box.

If you google Superchips Facebook, the Golf mk7 GTI details are on their main homepage. The details are also on their main page now for stage 1 and stage 2. They have admitted that the Golf MK7 is coming in around 266 bhp stock which goes some way to explaining why my car feels faster than 220bhp, more like 250 bhp to be honest.

 

Have a look at the power graph on the stage 2 in the following link;

 

http://www.superchips.co.uk/search?make=38&fueltype=3&model=580&variant=2994

 

Initially they had the piggy back device which I'm not a fan of, however they now have the OBD remap and are aiming to have bluefin some stage in the future,..

Edited 7 November, 201411 yr by Telboy5

Looks like they will have a few customers at that price. The power curve looks pretty decent too, for the stage 1 upgrade.

If you google Superchips Facebook, the Golf mk7 GTI details are on their main homepage. The details are also on their main page now for stage 1 and stage 2. They have admitted that the Golf MK7 is coming in around 266 bhp stock which goes some way to explaining why my car feels faster than 220bhp, more like 250 bhp to be honest..

There's no way a standard mk7 gti is 266bhp! My mk2 fl vrs that had stage one revo was quicker than a friends standard mk7 golf and I reckon my octavia was probably about 250bhp and was on normal unleaded. I'll admit they usually make slightly more than standard but not almost 50bhp!

There's no way a standard mk7 gti is 266bhp! My mk2 fl vrs that had stage one revo was quicker than a friends standard mk7 golf and I reckon my octavia was probably about 250bhp and was on normal unleaded. I'll admit they usually make slightly more than standard but not almost 50bhp!

I agree, maybe not as high as 266, however defo more than 220.

 

I've also seen stock MK7 GTI's beat stage 1 mk6 GTI's with both APR and Revo maps, especially from around 60mph. Depends on the day I reckon.

 

My VRS runs on 99 ron all the time and I'll be interested to see what this achieves as I've had GPS verified sprint times of sub 6 seconds using LC on my car, I reckon it is pulling 250bhp, couple that with over 260flbt??

 

Either way, the maps on this engine are achieving well over 300bhp stage 1 and over 350flbt and with the right fuel a little more, achieving 0-100mph times of under 12 seconds which isn't half bad at all.

Edited 8 November, 201411 yr by Telboy5

The GTI and VRS feel like they have more power because they generate very high levels of torque within the mid-range. Having owned 3 other 200bhp+ 2l turbo cars, I would say 220-230 is about right for the VRS TSI. The low mid-range pulls almost as strong as my 300bhp Impreza did, but the TSI engine is flat from there onwards. The Scoobs and my Cossy felt progressively more powerful as they climbed the Rev-range.

In summary, the VRS feels more powerful than it is because of the torrent of torque it provides from low down. No way a stock car kicks out 260bhp, it is just too limp above 5000rpm to do so.

Edited 8 November, 201411 yr by Orville

The GTI and VRS feel like they have more power because they generate very high levels of torque within the mid-range. Having owned 3 other 200bhp+ 2l turbo cars, I would say 220-230 is about right for the VRS TSI. The low to mid-range pulls almost as strong as my 300bhp Impreza did, but the engine is flat from there onwards. The Scoobs and my Cossy felt progressively more powerful as they climbed the Rev-range.

In summary, the VRS feels more powerful than it is because of the torrent of torque it provides from low down. No way a stock car kicks out 260bhp, it is just too limp above 5000rpm to do so.

Agree to a point although mine feels stronger than 220-230, and that's coming from driving many much more powerful cars and haven driven lots of them over 25+ years of driving.

 

I reckon if they can get this engine over 300 bhp and over say 340flbt, with just over 1.3t of kerb weight, would make for very useable car.

My tsi dynod 246bhp before the Apr map which brought her to a smudge over 300bhp but it was a warm day

Dyno's are like photographers, they profit more by showing their subjects within the best possible light. All public rolling roads are inaccurate to some degree and IMO most are bias towards over-reading. People who tune their cars tend to chase bigger numbers and will be happier parting with their money if the numbers look bigger.

Which of the following are you more likely to pay for?

Hyperthetical Dyno #1

Stock power 220bhp / Stage 1 264bhp (20% increase)

Hyperthetical Dyno #2

Stock power 250bhp / Stage 1 300bhp (20% increase)

Perhaps I am a cynic, but I have tuned 4 of my cars on different dyno's and they have all read above quoted figures at stock.

Dyno's are like photographers, they profit more by showing their subjects within the best possible light. All public rolling roads are inaccurate to some degree and IMO most are bias towards over-reading. People who tune their cars tend to chase bigger numbers and will be happier parting with their money if the numbers look bigger.

Which of the following are you more likely to pay for?

Hyperthetical Dyno #1

Stock power 220bhp / Stage 1 264bhp (20% increase)

Hyperthetical Dyno #2

Stock power 250bhp / Stage 1 300bhp (20% increase)

Perhaps I am a cynic, but I have tuned 4 of my cars on different dyno's and they have all read above quoted figures at stock.

Totally agree. I think vw test their engines more accurately on an engine dyno than a rolling road that then uses a calculation to work out what the flywheel power is. Don't get me wrong stage 1 map on the new vrs will indeed be a quick car. I just get tired of people bragging about power figures. I used to work for a company that remapped cars of which we predominantly used Revo software. I tried to avoid quoting figures and instead concentrated on drivability. I remember a customer who was using different software that took great delight in bragging that his car had been "on the rollers" and made much more power than Revo quoted and it was cheaper as well. Interestingly he couldn't understand why his mate with a similar car (both ibizas) running stage 1 was actually quicker than his stage 2 car.