Now a New DSG 10 Speed on the cards.

 

What do you think?

 

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http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/89382/volkswagen-creates-10-speed-dsg-gearbox

Edited 11 November, 201411 yr by vrskeith

While I kind of get the more gears = less variation change on the engine load, I can't help but wonder how many more gears it'll take before someone thinks 'CVT'!

 

Gaz

Personally i like with a 7 speed DSG being able to manually decelerate by going down the box 1, 2, 3 times & getting engine braking.

 

I have had CVT's with 7 Gear Locking as well and sequential CVT and again you used the stick a few times & you slowed down.

 

No doubt 9, 10 or even 11 gear ratios are going to be brilliant and economic,

but the relevance in the UK with Max Speed limits of 70 MPH and most cars only using less than 1/2 the available performance is probably nil.

3 Speed & 4 Speed Autos have worked for me,

& then 5 speed, 6 speed & 7 Speeds have been great.

 

So i think i am happy at 7 Gear Semi Automatics for up to 140 mph.

10 Might be OK if needing to do 170 mph.

 

The car manufacturers need the Emissions Down, and to introduce more Hybrids & Electric Motors,

& more and more gear ratios are all about this.

 

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I used to ride Fixed Single Speed, then 3 speed push bikes, them 6, 15, 18, 24 Gear Bikes,

Back to riding 21 gear Push bikes  and i only ever use 9 of them.

 

PS

I have 12 gears now on a Jimny, (or is it just 8!!) & have since 1999

4 High Rear Wheel drive,

4 high AWD,

& 4 Low AWD,

 

& as Guy Martin will tell you, HGV's have many many gears, but not as many as a Tractor.

 

Edited 11 November, 201411 yr by goneoffSKi

Share very similar views and thoughts George.

They missed a trick and should have gone to 11.

Making a bit of a rod for their own back aren't they? From the bits I've read/seen on here they have enough problems with the 7 speed let alone embarking down the 10 speed road. From post 3 though it's right about the Tractors. The one I drive the most (New Holland T6-165) has 4 ranges and each of those has 4 gears (a1-a4,b5-b8,c9-c12 and d13-d16). That's forward and back so 32 gears in total. Then both our John Deeres (6320 and 6330) have 6 ranges with 4 gears, again forward and back so 48 in total. 

I've driven a Claas tractor with 4 ranges of 6 gears, sequential, forward and reverse and its ridiculous.

 

Adding all these gears is just adding more components to go wrong in the already somewhat fragile DSG and increasing the weight.

 

I have a CVT in my Subaru and its rated to 400NM (and increases fuel economy over the manual), so its not like they can't make them.

Read about this some time ago, and knew it was in the pipeline.

 

Interested to see how it feels with the respect to the engine range.

 

As some have said - with the issues on current DSG line-up - i hope some basic design updates have occurred;

especially with respect to mechatronics issues and torque limitations.

I've got a CVT box in my Audi, it's an awesome bit of kit, until it goes wrong lol, but I guess this is the case for every modern auto!

They can't even make the current dsg boxes reliable. Now the remaking one with more gears, can't wait lol.

While I kind of get the more gears = less variation change on the engine load, I can't help but wonder how many more gears it'll take before someone thinks 'CVT'!

I guess CVT is mechanically less efficient than a DSG. Like 88% vs 95% or so.

My 1.0l Toyota IQ CVT With 68bhp was very efficient and a treat compared to the likes of the ASG Automated manual on the Citigos. CVTs are pretty advanced. I have had one's since I had a Daf.