According to SUK this afternoon it could be either .The only way to check is with the specific VIN of the car. Again according to SUK it all depends on which engines are available at time of fitting, which I must admit I find odd. Why make two different spec engines for the same car?

 

 

Is it April 1st? I just don't believe this. Whoever you spoke to at SUK is pulling your leg.

Thanks. The car I am looking at is a 2.0 diesel SE. Even in sport mode it's slower than my Jag. I guess I'd need to test a 1.4 Petrol but I'm put off by the small engine size. We have lots of people who potter around at 40mph and I like to get past them without consulting my diary first. Sorry if that sounds harsh.

A vRS would solve your overtake issues. The mk3 has a sport mode you can select at the appropriate time too.

Is it April 1st? I just don't believe this. Whoever you spoke to at SUK is pulling your leg.

 

In case you haven't noticed it is December not April.

 

I am sure the staff at SUK have nothing better to do than 'pull the leg' of their customers, after all what is the point of doing this? What could they possibly gain? Of course silly me, they want to lose sales.

 

That is what they told me, all I am doing is repeating what the representative of the company said. Perhaps you have an inside line or are even an employee as you seem to know more about their products than they do.

 

Believe it or not, that's your choice.

 

I cannot say one way or the other. All I am saying however is what they said to me when I asked the specific question. Make of it what you will.

Is it April 1st? I just don't believe this. Whoever you spoke to at SUK is pulling your leg.

 

I agree completely. All info I have seen points to the Octy 3 1.4TSI is an EA211, built by Skoda themselves at Mladá Boleslav. And it's definitely a belt and a lifetime one at that (realistically 100K most likely).

Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. Sorry.

 

As for me I've been trawling the web looking at trade in values. I've also spoken to my local Ford dealer as my wife is also after a new car (Fiesta). We may well end up getting her a new car using my Jag as the trade in car. The reason being that the Skoda dealer has offered me a silly trade in value compared to what the Ford dealer has. All the websites quoted a minimum of £1000.00 more than the Skoda dealer which, by strange coincidence, is the value of what the car had been reduced by.

 

I'll then drive her old Focus Estate which, in time will probably be donated to my eldest daughter once I've decided what to do.

I cannot say one way or the other. All I am saying however is what they said to me when I asked the specific question. Make of it what you will.

 

I was not having a go at you, I apologise if you took it that way. It is the lack of knowledge at SUK that utterly astonishes me.

 

Inside knowledge is not necessary, a bit of google time will lead to plenty of sources marrying the Octy 3 to the EA211 engine to a timing belt, so unless all the press releases and technical info on the web (much of it originating from VAG) are incorrect then your experience leaves SUK looking a bit daft.

 

Thanks for sharing what you were told. From my side I have had a previous e-mail conversation about servicing with SUK and was given an inspection interval for the lifetime belt. I also paid my £5 for the online access to the independent servicing and maintenance manual (anyone remember the acronym). That thread will be floating around on here somewhere.

7K miles p.a. diesel is financial suicide

Looks like I've stirred up a hornets nest. Sorry.

 

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I'll then drive her old Focus Estate which, in time will probably be donated to my eldest daughter once I've decided what to do.

 

Yeah, we got a bit off topic, sorry. 

 

What's under the bonnet of the Focus? This could be a great move if it's a bit slower, as it'll improve the comparison to whatever you go for afterwards!

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I was not having a go at you, I apologise if you took it that way. It is the lack of knowledge at SUK that utterly astonishes me.

 

Inside knowledge is not necessary, a bit of google time will lead to plenty of sources marrying the Octy 3 to the EA211 engine to a timing belt, so unless all the press releases and technical info on the web (much of it originating from VAG) are incorrect then your experience leaves SUK looking a bit daft.

 

Thanks for sharing what you were told. From my side I have had a previous e-mail conversation about servicing with SUK and was given an inspection interval for the lifetime belt. I also paid my £5 for the online access to the independent servicing and maintenance manual (anyone remember the acronym). That thread will be floating around on here somewhere.

 

Thank you for your reply Geek42, apology humbly accepted and if my reply was a little terse you have my apologies!

 

I had seen the post from TMWNA re the article on the EA211 engine and was also mildly surprised by the info from SUK Customer Services and only reported here what was said. If that adds to the general consensus of opinion that SUK don't know about the cars they import and sell then that shows them in a very poor light.

 

My wife recently bought a Rapid Spaceback 1.4 TSi DSG (122) so between us that's around £40k worth of cars. I gave SUK my wife's registration and asked what it had, belt or chain, the reply was that they would check with 'Technical' and get back to me early next week.

 

When I asked the dealers Service Manager he looked up her car on his system, which he said was a complete  breakdown of her particular car; after some minutes scrolling through what looked like hundreds of parts (Couldn't see properly because of the screen angle) he said it was a chain. I will be interesting to hear what SUK say it has fitted.

 

IF it is a lifetime belt -for both the rapid and Octy-  then that would be fine, I doubt I will be covering 5k miles a year and to have to change the belt in under 20k would be hard to take!

 

Once I hear from SUK I will report back on what I am told.

 

Graham 1956.

Don't worry about stirring up a hornets nest, it's all in a days 'posting'

Whatever you decide, Ford or Skoda I still suggest you try a 1.4 petrol DSG, I am sure you will be impressed and if you like the car but not the deal, find another dealer.

My wife recently bought a Rapid Spaceback 1.4 TSi DSG (122) so between us that's around £40k worth of cars. I gave SUK my wife's registration and asked what it had, belt or chain, the reply was that they would check with 'Technical' and get back to me early next week.

When I asked the dealers Service Manager he looked up her car on his system, which he said was a complete breakdown of her particular car; after some minutes scrolling through what looked like hundreds of parts (Couldn't see properly because of the screen angle) he said it was a chain. I will be interesting to hear what SUK say it has fitted.

IF it is a lifetime belt -for both the rapid and Octy- then that would be fine, I doubt I will be covering 5k miles a year and to have to change the belt in under 20k would be hard to take!

Once I hear from SUK I will report back on what I am told.

Ah, The 122ps is a different, older version of the 1.4. It's amazing how many different version of engines they produce and are still used across the VW group!

7K miles p.a. diesel is financial suicide

 

Financial folly perhaps.

 

Suicide? Hyperbole to the power of 3

He's paying £1,500 more than the same age/condition 1.4 TSI will cost and on 7K miles p.a. it'll take something like 4 years to save that in fuel and thats before you consider the higher servicing costs, folly if you wanna mince words, then he's gotta put up with all the regens, its not a retirement car.  He'll fall outta love with it very quickly and possible sell it before he's had it a year. 

 

Bigger loss 

 

Not a good fit

He's paying £1,500 more than the same age/condition 1.4 TSI will cost and on 7K miles p.a. it'll take something like 4 years to save that in fuel and thats before you consider the higher servicing costs, folly if you wanna mince words, then he's gotta put up with all the regens, its not a retirement car.  He'll fall outta love with it very quickly and possible sell it before he's had it a year. 

 

Bigger loss 

 

Not a good fit

Damnit themanwithnoaim, read the above and got the calculator out....

 

Using a figure of 36mpg average for the 1.4 and 46mpg for the 2.0 and a cost of £1.199 a litre petrol & £1.249 diesel and 7000 miles pa you get:

 

7000/46  * 4.541  * 1.249 = £863 per year fuel

7000/36 * 4.541 * 1.119 = £988 per year fuel

 

£125 a year cheaper (in fuel) per year for the diesel.

 

Assuming a £1,500 difference in purchase price you need to do 12 years of motoring just to break even (1500/125) and that's before tax, servicing, insurance etc.

 

The 2.0 is a good engine but probably not right for you.

Damnit themanwithnoaim, read the above and got the calculator out....

 

Using a figure of 36mpg average for the 1.4 and 46mpg for the 2.0 and a cost of £1.199 a litre petrol & £1.249 diesel and 7000 miles pa you get:

 

7000/46  * 4.541  * 1.249 = £863 per year fuel

7000/36 * 4.541 * 1.119 = £988 per year fuel

 

£125 a year cheaper (in fuel) per year for the diesel.

 

Assuming a £1,500 difference in purchase price you need to do 12 years of motoring just to break even (1500/125) and that's before tax, servicing, insurance etc.

 

The 2.0 is a good engine but probably not right for you.

Hang on. Are you guys saying that all I'll get to the gallon on average is;

36mpg for the 1.4 and 46mpg for the 2.0?

 

If so I'll stick with my old Jag. That gives me 46mpg all day long. My wife gets 35mpg out of her 13 year old 1.6 Focus.

Depends how you drive,  for the 1.4 36-46 seems an average economy range, more motorway work will increase that, some people have seen 60+ but that isn't a repeatable everyday real world figure.  For the 2.0 46 - 54 seems average.

 

Go try both see what fits you best, zero the trip computer before the drive it's quite accurate so you'll know what to expect if you buy one.

Depends how you drive,  for the 1.4 36-46 seems an average economy range, more motorway work will increase that, some people have seen 60+ but that isn't a repeatable everyday real world figure.  For the 2.0 46 - 54 seems average.

 

Go try both see what fits you best, zero the trip computer before the drive it's quite accurate so you'll know what to expect if you buy one.

My driving is mainly country roads and motorway.

 

To answer another comment, the diesel I'm looking at is cheaper than the petrols I've seen of a similar age.

 

I think I need to look at this again after Christmas but with my sensible head on I think I'm better off keeping the Jag and paying a bit more each year to keep it going. After all, putting £12k or so in a bank will pay for a lot of unplanned repairs over the years.

 

Thanks everyone.

Damnit themanwithnoaim, read the above and got the calculator out....

 

Using a figure of 36mpg average for the 1.4 and 46mpg for the 2.0 and a cost of £1.199 a litre petrol & £1.249 diesel and 7000 miles pa you get:

 

7000/46  * 4.541  * 1.249 = £863 per year fuel

7000/36 * 4.541 * 1.119 = £988 per year fuel

 

£125 a year cheaper (in fuel) per year for the diesel.

 

Assuming a £1,500 difference in purchase price you need to do 12 years of motoring just to break even (1500/125) and that's before tax, servicing, insurance etc.

 

The 2.0 is a good engine but probably not right for you.

Sorry Sheldon, late on a Friday night maths ain't my strong point, in my defense I was also working on a larger differential than 10mpg.....

 

Dunno why, see my fuelly

 

 

My driving is mainly country roads and motorway.

 

To answer another comment, the diesel I'm looking at is cheaper than the petrols I've seen of a similar age.

 

I think I need to look at this again after Christmas but with my sensible head on I think I'm better off keeping the Jag and paying a bit more each year to keep it going. After all, putting £12k or so in a bank will pay for a lot of unplanned repairs over the years.

 

Thanks everyone.

Graham, cars will always be the worst investment you'll ever make, unless your into dust collectors, sorry classic models.

 

Graham, cars will always be the worst investment you'll ever make, unless your into dust collectors, sorry classic models.

Agreed. However,

I had already been offered a trade in value from a couple of other dealers (Different cars). The Octavia I was looking at had been on the forecourt for some time. It had been reduced by almost £1,000.00 and, when we arrived we were told it had been reduced by another £1,00000. So far so good.

 

However, the dealer then offered me a silly (In my view) trade in. When I said that was at least £1,000.00 too low he used the "discount" to try to justify the low valuation. He called me today to see if I had reconsidered I told him I had researched and could prove higher valuations. He said he would recheck his numbers but hasn't called back although to be honest, it will probably go quickly.

 

What is probably going to happen is that we will use the Jag as trade in against a new Fiesta for my wife and I will drive her Focus Estate until I decide what to do.

we were told it had been reduced by another £1,000.00. So far so good.

 

However, the dealer then offered me a silly (In my view) trade in. When I said that was at least £1,000.00 too low he used the "discount" to try to justify the low valuation.

 

That's how it works - cost of car less trade-in is always going to equal the same amount, otherwise they're just saying good-bye to their margin, and they ain't going to do that.  You could convince him to give you £1,000.00 more for your car, but he'll soon add that back onto the sticker price.  I'm sure he'd give you £50,000 for your old Jag - as long as you agreed to pay a lot more for the Octavia...

 

Selling your old car privately is always the best way to go in terms of making the most money - however, the convenience of trading it in and not having to find/deal with a private buyer is often too big a draw.  Plus when buying a new car, it takes the risk out of your order being possibly delayed etc.

 

The extra £1,000 they've knocked off the Octavia is to get people through the door...

Well. I'm retired. I've lost count of the number of cars I've bought and sold. This is only the second time a dealer has tried to pull that stunt on me. I didn't fall for it the first time and I still have all my marbles.

Lucky you - it's common practice, certainly round these parts anyway.

Graham, I'm sure the price of your Jag will go up a grand if you were to buy a new Skoda from the same salesman, its all about numbers and margins, if you want to know the "real" value of your Jag, get a quote from "webuyanycar.com" then there's no numbers or margins to get in the way, is there.  Hold on to your shorts though, you maybe in for a surprize, salesmen can read customers, you've gone into a few dealers showing the love you have for your Jag and they've responded in a manner to win your business, thats not "pulling a stunt" on you, thats their job, that's what they do.

 

Please remember, a bargin is only a bargin if its what you need, want or desire.

 

Sounds to me like you'd desire another Jag and this Skoda is just what you need, if its a retirement car I've gotta ask you a simple question, is it what you've worked all your life for ?

I've already visited webuyanycar.com and a few other websites (Autotrader, RAC, Confused to name a few). The only shock I had was what this dealer offered.

 

If the X Type was still made I'd have another in a shot. There have been comments about the X type being a Mondeo in drag. I've test driven one. It's not even close.

If I were you I would run the Jag into the ground if it’s a good ‘un and you are satisfied with it.

 

I see you are located in Kent. You may therefore be familiar with Lancaster Jaguar in Sevenoaks. I was toying with the idea of a second hand X type before I bought my Octy 2 estate some years ago, and had a browse of their stock and a talk with their sales people. Lancaster appeared to be giving them away at that time, but what finally put me off (after I had done my research) was the poor reliability record of the X type.

 

Are you sure you are being realistic about your p/ex expectations? I'm not sure any dealers really want them.  If you wanted to sell the Jag then a private sale is the best way to go.

 

This write up from AutoExpress exactly sums up the conclusion I came to:

 

The X-Type was supposed to make Jaguar a big player, but it never sold in the volumes hoped for. The result is a car that’s now a very reasonable second-hand buy, even though it’s still good to drive and looks distinctive. However, a questionable reliability record means owners are falling out of love with the ageing Jag – so if you’re tempted, make sure you go for the latest model you can afford. Later cars are better built than the early ones and you'll still save big money over an A4 or 3 Series of similar age. Find the right X-Type and you’ll love its ride and handling balance and well stocked cabin. Plus, if you buy an estate, you’ll have great practicality as well.

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/jaguar/x-type/63749/used-buyers-guide-jaguar-x-type#ixzz3MTK8CNgX

I bought my Jag from Lancaster Sevenoaks. They put all the "little issues" I pointed out at the time of purchase without quibble. The "little issues" included fitting a new windscreen! When I went to pick it up the dealer looked a little apologetic, offered me tea and admitted it would be another couple of hours because it had failed it's pdi. He told me that this was due to the brake pads being more worn than they would like and they were doubtful they would survive to the next service. To be honest, I appreciated the fact that they didn't try to fob it off with part worn pads. I had checked them beforehand (As far as you can) and didn't consider them an issue. Imagine my delight when they drove it round and I found that they had fitted new disks as well!

 

The petrol models and the auto boxes have had their fair share of problems. My brother in law got landed with a £6,000 bill when his auto box expired at 54,000 miles! The dual mass flywheel on the 2.2 diesels have an annoying habit of become multiple bits flywheels. I rather fancy this is due to the transmission not being beefed up to match the larger engine.

 

Am I being realistic on my part ex expectations? As I said earlier, I test drove a Mondeo. It wasn't as good as the Jag but we worked up a deal (The car been reduced by £1.500). However, when I brought my wife back to check she was happy with it she quickly pointed out that the leather seats weren't heated!

 

As this thread has progressed I'm come to realise that I probably don't want to get rid of the Jag. It has it's bad points, the poor headlamps being one. But, with the correct asymmetric tyres fitted (The dealer tried to tell me they were wearing unevenly), it drives like it's on rails.