Long-Interval Service Items - "Sprich zu mir"

[rum4mo]

Right, I've done some more work for you:-  EFF129 is 151mm long (and its diameter is 61mm and 55mm - larger at regulator end) - these dimensions equate to a bare filter element.   EFF234 is 161mm height (long!) and its diameter is 61mm and 55mm - larger at regulator end - these dimensions equate to a filter+regulator combo.

 

Note, picture of EFF129 shows it fully built up with separate regulator without quoting "only filter element", EFF234 currently has not got a picture!

 

Hope that helps a bit more, I'd expect EFF234 to cost a bit more than EFF129 - maybe check that and if so ties in with what I've written above.

[Clunkclick]

Thanks. Good stuff.

 

This article, from across the big pond, may be of interest to the wider Skoda owning community:-

 

 

http://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/219

 

 

They are advising 60,000 miles for replacement of "Lifetime" fuel filters external to the fuel tank and 100,000 miles for same located inside the fuel tank (Apparently some of the Jap manufacturers do this nowadays, Basically you replace the pump and filter).

 

Let's hope ERWIN has got a procedure for Fuel Flow Test - last time I did a quick visit I didn't notice it.

 

I see from the BMW forums that they've got the same issue. One cheeky chappy on there suggested that with all these "Lifetime" fit parts and fluids, then there should be a lifetime BMW warranty to go with it. Sadly not.

 

N

Edited 25 January, 2015 by Clunkclick

[Clunkclick]

There's the possibility (I'm not holding my breath) that I may get an answer, tomorrow,  regarding all  "Lifetime fit" components/ fluids on my Skoda:-

 

http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=108076

 

N

[Clunkclick]

The E-mail reply from Skoda Customer Services:-

 

"Thank you for your email dated 27 January 2015 regarding your ŠKODA Fabia.

 

I have checked with our Technical Department and they have confirmed that there are no recommendations in the service intervals for the replacement of the petrol fuel filter, manual gearbox oil or power steering fluid.

 

If you would like to have these items replaced then your ŠKODA Retailer would be able to perform these tasks and charge you accordingly.

 

I trust this information has been of help to you, but should you require any further help then please feel free to contact me on the telephone number listed below.

 

Thank you once again for contacting ŠKODA UK Customer Services."

 

 

When I asked this question in response:-

 

"Thank you for your reply

 

One further question.

 

Do I  take it from the omission in  your response below that there is a service interval for the engine coolant. What is this ?

 

For your information, as far as I am aware, the cooling system on my contains the original factory fill fluid, which is pink in colour. "

 

I was told over the telephone that there is similarly no recommended interval for renewal of the cooling system fluid - (Haynes manual says the recommended interval is two years unless the long-life G12 (Pink)  is used)

 

I understand that Valvoline manufactures  VW's G12 and BASF helped develop it. interesting to see what they have to say.

 

Doesn't seem that the American forums have much confidence in the European Auto industry "Lifetime fill/fit" concept :-

 

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=1069859

 

I'm now working on the assumption that all these items need replacing.

 

Anybody know what the labour hours/costs and materials costs would be for replacing:-

 

a). The manual gearbox oil

. The power steering fluid

c). The G12 coolant

d). The fuel filter.

 

N

Edited 31 January, 2015 by Clunkclick

[Clunkclick]

After a bit of a hesitant start and a bit of prevarication, my motor is now booked in with the main dealer for annual service, MoT and replacement of the Fuel filter and gearbox oil.

 

Hoorah !

 

Nick

 

 

[Clunkclick]

Had the service done today.

 

They replaced the fuel filter and the gearbox oil and did the annual service. Fine. Total charge  fuel filter change and gearbox oil change £118 (Approx)(Labour + parts, ex -VAT).

 

Only realised when I got home they haven't done the MOT (Which they have done without fail for the last 9 years) and another first,  I got an engine management light come on  the way home.

 

That's going to have to go back.

 

 

Nick

Edited 23 February, 2015 by Clunkclick

[Clunkclick]

Had the MOT done Wednesday.(Luckily they managed to extinguish the EM light in the Instrument binnacle).

 

Bad news came Wednesday PM when I got a phone call from the shop to say that their VAG diagnosis system had picked-up an EGR fault which they initially claimed required the valve to be changed for £350 + VAT

 

I made it clear that the car hadn't been having before the service any of the usual symptoms of a non-operative or coked-up EGR,  i.e. engine  stalling at lights, surging, engine momentarily stopping and restarting whilst in overrun which I clearly recall from the first time when I had the valve cleaned, by the same dealer, in 2011 (18,000 miles ago). I also pointed out that I'd done a VDCS scan on the car on Wednesday morning before I dropped it in to the dealer for MOT and its was showing nothing for the EGR.

 

They then said maybe it could be cleaned for £40.  I said no, don't do it. Let me have a look at it first.

 

Anyway, the first VDCS scan was done on Wednesday morning (before they had it for the MOT) and it showed NO FAULT ON EGR (Although there are a **** load of other electric faults:-

 

VCDS Version: Release 12.12.2

Data version: 20140212

 

Wednesday,25,February,2015,08:35:42:08693

 

Chassis Type: 6Y (6Y - Skoda Fabia (1996 > 2008))

Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 17 19 25 37 44 46 55 56 76

 

VIN: TMBDD46Y02357****  Mileage: 96060km/59688miles

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

 

 Address 01: Engine        Labels: 036-906-034-APE.lbl

   Part No: 036 906 034 DF

   Component:  MARELLI 4MV        5020 

   Coding: 00071

   Shop #: WSC 25021 

   VCID: 59B3E0EDC33887D6BC9-4B18

   TMBDD46Y02357****     SKZ7Z0B148****

 

No Faults Found

  or DTCs not supported by controller

  or a communication error occurred 

 

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 6Q0-907-37x-ASR.lbl

   Part No: 6Q0 907 379 H

   Component: ABS/ASR 5.7 FRONT   V20 

   Coding: 00124

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 428127814EAE240ECD3-5120

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 6Q0-820-045.lbl

   Part No: 6Y0 820 045

   Component: Klimaanlage        X0830 

   VCID: F2E13741BE8E548E1D3-5120

 

5 Faults Found:

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

01271 - Positioning Motor for Temperature Flap (V68)

            28-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            28-10 - Short to Plus - Intermittent

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 6Qx-937-049-C.lbl

   Part No: 6Q1 937 049 C

   Component: 00 BN-SG.           1S33 

   Coding: 17418

   Shop #: WSC 25040 

   VCID: 3B7F5A65294455C68E5-5120

 

2 Faults Found:

01598 - Drive Battery Voltage

            07-10 - Signal too Low - Intermittent

01054 - Power Supply Relay; Terminal 30 (J317)

            28-00 - Short to Plus

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 909 601 C

   Component: 02 AIRBAG VW51      0004 

   Coding: 12338

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 20458D09A0E2161EBB7-5120

 

No Faults Found

  or DTCs not supported by controller

  or a communication error occurred

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 6Yx-9xx-xxx-17.lbl

   Part No: 6Y2 919 880 B

   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V12 

   Coding: 16442

   Shop #: WSC 25021 

   VCID: 46893B916286182EE1B-5120

   TMBDD46Y02357****     SKZ7Z0B148****

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl

   Part No: 6N0 909 901

   Component: 33 GATEWAY  CAN    1S33 

   Coding: 00014

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: F0E53D49B082669EEB7-5120

 

No Faults Found

  or DTCs not supported by controller

  or a communication error occurred

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb

   Part No: 6Q0 423 156 M

   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V210 

   Coding: 00140

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 3973406D237867D69C9-5120

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 6Q0-959-433.lbl

   Part No: 6Q0 959 433 E

   Component: 31 Komfortgerát     0001 

   Coding: 00067

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 3D7B547D37505BF6B01-4AE6

 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 6Q2959802

   Component: 31 Tõrsteuer.FS TFK 0002 

 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 6Q2959801

   Component: 31 Tõrsteuer.BF TFK 0002 

 

No fault code found.

 

End   ----------------------------

 

 

 

 

And this is the scan I got after I got it back from them with an EGR fault. Strangely, there was no  EM light in the instrument binnacle. I zeroed the fault codes and took it for a longish run. No EGR symptoms:-

 

 

VCDS Version: Release 14.10.1

Data version: 20150130

 

Sunday,01,March,2015,19:25:35:08693

 

Chassis Type: 6Y (5J - Skoda Fabia (2007 > 2010))

Scan: 01 02 03 08 09 15 16 17 19 25 37 44 46 55 56 76 77

 

VIN: TMBDD46Y02357****   Mileage: 96160km-59751miles

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 01: Engine        Labels: 036-906-034-APE.lbl

   Part No: 036 906 034 DF

   Component:  MARELLI 4MV        5020 

   Coding: 00071

   Shop #: WSC 25021 

   VCID: 59B3E0EDC33887E949E-4B18

   TMBDD46Y02357****     SKZ7Z0B148****

 

1 Fault Found:

16786 - EGR System

            P0402 - 35-10 - Excessive Flow - Intermittent

Readiness: 0000 0000

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 03: ABS Brakes        Labels: 6Q0-907-37x-ASR.lbl

   Part No: 6Q0 907 379 H

   Component: ABS/ASR 5.7 FRONT   V20 

   Coding: 00124

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 428127814EAE2431384-5102

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 08: Auto HVAC        Labels: 6Q0-820-045.lbl

   Part No: 6Y0 820 045

   Component: Klimaanlage        X0830 

   VCID: 72E1B7413E8ED4B1684-5120

 

3 Faults Found:

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            30-10 - Open or Short to Plus - Intermittent

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            41-10 - Blocked or No Voltage - Intermittent

01596 - Motor for Outside/Recirculated Air Flap (V154)

            29-10 - Short to Ground - Intermittent

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 09: Cent. Elect.        Labels: 6Qx-937-049-C.lbl

   Part No: 6Q1 937 049 C

   Component: 00 BN-SG.           1S33 

   Coding: 17418

   Shop #: WSC 25040 

   VCID: 3B7F5A65294455F97B2-5120

 

1 Fault Found:

01054 - Power Supply Relay; Terminal 30 (J317)

            28-00 - Short to Plus

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 15: Airbags        Labels: 6Q0-909-605-VW5.lbl

   Part No: 1C0 909 601 C

   Component: 02 AIRBAG VW51      0004 

   Coding: 12338

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 20458D09A0E216214E0-5120

 

No Faults Found

  or DTCs not supported by controller

  or a communication error occurred

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 17: Instruments        Labels: 6Yx-9xx-xxx-17.lbl

   Part No: 6Y2 919 880 B

   Component: KOMBIINSTRUMENT VDO V12 

   Coding: 16442

   Shop #: WSC 25021 

   VCID: 46893B916286181114C-5120

   TMBDD46Y02357****     SKZ7Z0B148****

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 19: CAN Gateway        Labels: 6N0-909-901-19.lbl

   Part No: 6N0 909 901

   Component: 33 GATEWAY  CAN    1S33 

   Coding: 00014

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 70E5BD493082E6A19E0-5120

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 44: Steering Assist        Labels: 6Q0-423-156.clb

   Part No: 6Q0 423 156 M

   Component: LenkhilfeTRW        V210 

   Coding: 00140

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 3973406D237867E969E-5120

 

No fault code found.

 

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Address 46: Central Conv.        Labels: 6Q0-959-433.lbl

   Part No: 6Q0 959 433 E

   Component: 31 Komfortgerát     0001 

   Coding: 00067

   Shop #: WSC 13765 

   VCID: 3D7B547D37505BC9456-4AE6

 

   Subsystem 1 - Part No: 6Q2959802

   Component: 31 Tõrsteuer.FS TFK 0002 

 

   Subsystem 2 - Part No: 6Q2959801

   Component: 31 Tõrsteuer.BF TFK 0002 

 

No fault code found.

 

End-------------------------(Elapsed Time: 04:18)--------------------------

 

 

Just have to keep my eye on the fuel consumption and for any symptoms.

 

I presume that changing the fuel filter earlier in the week first manifested itself as a EM light and that when they got rid of that for the MOT that it popped-up again as an EGR fault. This could just be random electrical effect. Luckily I asked  the chief mechanic to clean out the plenum chamber (Done Wednesday) as I thought that may have been the cause of all the other electric faults I was getting - apparently not from the latest VDCS scan.

 

 

Nick

[Titanium_Man]

at this thread

[Clunkclick]

The whole things laughable, dealers are compelled under pain of penalty under the Control of Pollution/Construction and Use legislation to get exercised about non-compliance with Euro IV exhaust regulations ' cause a faulty EGR valve isn't quite hitting the target vis-a-vis CO and NO2 emissions, meanwhile the engine can be spewing out unburnt oil mist like a crop sprayer cause engine oil use limits, in worn engines, of up to 1 litre per 600 running miles are acceptable ! Derrrrr !

 

Eurobull**** !

 

Nick

[Clunkclick]

The thread must live.

 

Two weeks after the annual service and replacement of the "Lifetime" fuel filter and gearbox oil and a couple of long runs, the new components have bedded-in.

 

I have to say it most noticeable that the acceleration on the car, especially on motorways, is now back to what it should be. The old fuel filter must have been so clogged that it was impeding flow at the top-end of engine operations, leaning out the mixture and raising the combustion temperature.

 

As for the gearbox, way smoother and now the synchro hubs are not intermittently sticking as they used to. It was reported on service that the gearbox had been losing oil at the shaft seals, so replacing the oil has temporarily fixed that as well. Though they are supposed to regularly check the gearbox oil level on normal services.

 

There is a slight occasional hesitation when picking-up the throttle after drifting through traffic,. which I suspect could be the EGR valve sticking. I'll have to scan again to see if the EGR  Fault code has come up again.

 

In short, I'd recommend people change these components for a better driving experience. Perhaps a good interval would be the same one as is used for the cam-belts now i.e. 4 years or 40,000 miles, which ever is less, rather than at 60,000.

 

 

Nick

Edited 19 March, 2015 by Clunkclick

[rum4mo]

Ah well, wrt the fuel filter, maybe - wife's car is over 103K on the original one, warmer weather coming and a car change coming as well sometime in the next few months, probably smarter to fit the new filter/regulator combo than chuck it in the bin after the car has been sold!!

[Clunkclick]

If the wife's just pootling round town, then she probably won't "Taste the difference". But its, certainly noticeable on motorways.

 

If this "Lifetime" *******s, is as suggested on the American forums, a marketing gimmick, aimed at Fleet owners, in an  attempt to convince them that the true costs of ownership can be pushed to the right of the ownership timeline, then I don't want to play, even if it costs me a few extra quids. Whose to know, whether dirty, lifetime fuel filters, haven't been, at least,  in part responsible, on the early Fabia injection engines (And perhaps the later ones) , for a build-up of fine dirt in and around the injectors which allowed the injectors to leak raw fuel into the combustion chambers when the engine was off.  This in turn led to excessive cylinder bore wear and early demise of those engines.

 

 

Nick

Edited 19 March, 2015 by Clunkclick