On the subject of Diesel Cars and did Politicians encouraging the 'Dash for Diesel'

Cheers George. I'll be watching (:

Thanks George

Next week are politicians encouraging the dash for electric cars.    

Next month "electric cars run on orphaned baby rabbit's tears and must be taxed to oblivion"

All this stuff about claimed weights and MPG's, i bet you're having a field day arent you George?

How does the testing that is done which is inside on rolling roads get affected by taping panel gaps and removing mirrors, ?

it is not in Wind Tunnels.

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx

Edited 26 January, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

Did anyone else spot the blue MK2 FL Octavia?

Sent from my Galaxy S5

Edited 26 January, 201511 yr by J306TD

How does the testing that is done which is inside on rolling roads get affected by taping panel gaps and removing mirrors, ?

it is not in Wind Tunnels.

http://skoda.co.uk/pages/fuel-consumption-statement.aspx

I thought that. I dont know. Strange.

3X! Wtf!

I saw it.

 

Hypocritical politicians, 'need to move away from vehicles that push out CO2 emissions'  If they had let lean burn petrol technology develop instead of mandating post combustion clean up with catalytic convertors that actually increase CO2, we might not be in this position today.

That bloke with the glasses is an idiot.

''Higher mpg which obviously means better emissions'

Well it doesnt though does it. Its a different fuel, so its going to emit different levels than petrol for example.

Might be more mpg, but everyone knows diesel is a dirtier fuel.

I saw it.

Hypocritical politicians, 'need to move away from vehicles that push out CO2 emissions' If they had let lean burn petrol technology develop instead of mandating post combustion clean up with catalytic convertors that actually increase CO2, we might not be in this position today.

Maggie Thatcher, lean burn tech back in the 80's. Nobody listened IIRC.

 

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-clarkson/clarkson-hybrids-2009-01-12

 

Interesting (if true) the pollution figures for Oxford St on TG last night when there was a bus strike.

Just watching it myself.

? Why do manufacturers not have to declare nitrogen emissions?

? On the nitrogen front, should all diesel cars be tarnished with same brush? Surely the older cars are worse, therefore New cars are better?

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Dpf technology is such a con , levels on nano particles have risen significantly since dpf's became widespread and these present the most significant health hazard .

Diesels have had their day , they are starting to get levied and in 5 years time I reckon they will become uneconomical to run , in 10 years time they won't exist

Maggie Thatcher, lean burn tech back in the 80's. Nobody listened IIRC.

 

http://www.topgear.com/uk/jeremy-clarkson/clarkson-hybrids-2009-01-12

 

Interesting (if true) the pollution figures for Oxford St on TG last night when there was a bus strike.

Didn't Maggie block lean burn in favour of unleaded?

 

And while some scary stats night, as an utter non-scientist, I remember ranting about the increasing road tax in its early form change when diesel was being favoured - "how can diesel be cleaner with all that soot blowing out the back".

 

So when it was that obvious to any motorist, I doubt - despite the ex-labour minister's claim last night - that the facts weren't widely available to the government of the time. Not that facts really got in the way much of any of Bliars decisions of course. 

 

Woke this morning thinking, well wasn't that a nice bit of govt propaganda, bracing us for an upcoming huge increase in diesel car road tax.

 

Next as someone says above will be electric cars, which again we all know come at huge cost to build environmentally - but which no-one seems to want to acknowledge, but ohhh aren't they so fluffy and clean when you just plug them in   

Actually vehicles do not cost huge amounts of Cash Money to build.

 

New Cars can sell in the UK for £7,000 and people all along the line get profits.

& a £14,000 new Car might have exactly the same materials, Metal. Alloy, Glass, Plastic as a £20,000 car.

 

Profits, government subsidies, waste, always upgrading and replacing and not always making better makes 

Private Passenger Vehicles cost what many cost.

 

By now the VWG should have making cars a perfect art.

Keep the Water (H20) out of the car, and keep Oil & Coolant in,

Make them efficient & Reliable and Value for money, and sell them from places where it is simple and straightforward.

Name the price, and supply them and then take them back later and scrap them,

or sell them again used.

 

The problem is that Building & Selling personal transport & commercial transport has people trying to be greedy all along the 

Design & Production of the Vehicles,

& the Oil Producers & Tyre Producers, and the Metal & parts producers like how transport is now.

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Cheap to produce, and easy to mark up and make profits from.

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Edited 27 January, 201511 yr by Kenny R

 

Next as someone says above will be electric cars, which again we all know come at huge cost to build environmentally - but which no-one seems to want to acknowledge, but ohhh aren't they so fluffy and clean when you just plug them in   

 

And don't forget all the electricities need to come from somewhere once the car is plugged in. It's certainly not all being generated by clean, efficient sources, because nobody has bothered investing in decent power over the last few decades - so the nice clean electric car is probably powered by 80% high carbon coal fired power, 10% nuclear and maybe 10% (at a push) by happy joyful wind turbines and bird farts. (Figures plucked from the air before anyone gets pedantic)

 

Bottom line is at the moment we don't have any solution to the problem of pollution, just a series of useful marketing opportunities for people willing to exploit the fears of the population re global warming - diesel was just another one of those.

Scotland is producing huge amounts of electricity that is not reaching across the border, and that's why they are so keen in the government to get the charging points in and the city centres diesel and petrol free, the Green Energy producers are being paid not to produce.

Edited 27 January, 201511 yr by goneoffSKi

there was what appeared to be a debadged MkII Octy vRS in Race Blue (FD60 XXX) when they did the NO² test

I saw it.

 

Hypocritical politicians, 'need to move away from vehicles that push out CO2 emissions'  If they had let lean burn petrol technology develop instead of mandating post combustion clean up with catalytic convertors that actually increase CO2, we might not be in this position today.

 

To be honest fordfan, lean burn technology never ever went away for either petrol or diesel. Sensibly, Maggie didn't just want to rely on the lean burn tech alone as it was crystal clear is was emitting too much nasty stuff still and you can't design that out. Physics won't allow it. In addition diesels weren't a problem back then due to there being no common rail technology, which is the really harmful one. So what happened was that we had to further tune the engines to run with cats...and now, on diesels with cats and dpf combined units. Every petrol engine or diesel still uses that lean burn technology today but more refined and developed with the use of more powerful computer tech etc etc. Petrol air ratios are at their leanest ever. So nothing's been lost, only gained. 

 

More worrying is the levels of particulates and nitrogen oxide that builds up in our car cabins as we drive. In several tests including the one we are all talking about the levels we as drivers are exposed to are incredibly high. We measured up to 24 times the normal street level limit inside a car that had been driving on the M25 for just one hour at rush hour time. The driver had the aircon off and the windows up. Yet the cabin was full of particulates and nitros gases at levels that were incredibly harmful. Particulates were 10 times the level of normal street EU maximum limits and nitros gases 24 times the safe regarded limit. This gets worse with the aircon on. But opening the windows does reduce the level a bit but not much in heavy traffic. It's a similar picture in our homes too. Even if you don't live directly near to a busy road. Particulates get everywhere inside the home as they stay airborne for hours and get into our homes even with the window closed, as does other emissions. Interesting program.

 

Oh, nearly forgot. I've been present at many EU passenger car fuel economy tests over the years and I've never seen any trick measures such as those described in Dispatches being used. I've seen door and wing gaps taped up for research purposes and then simulated runs carried out to see what difference it makes. But only that. Never on an inspected official test. And I've seen several manufacturers cars going through the tests too. So I think there may be some confusion about that with journos misinterpreting some of what they see. But then again, I've not seen a test carried out for at least three years so maybe something has changed. Dunno!

I was looking for the Video that Audi had out about EU Consumption / Emission Testing on Rolling roads.

this was posted just after they had problems with the ASA in the UK on their adverts.

 

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Does anyone know the Video & can link it please?

 

I found this one when searching.

Interesting i thought, and shows the great technology, and probably shows the fail where really it is about more 

power from the engines and not less harmful emissions really.

They could reduce emissions very quickly without changing engine technology by reducing the safety requirements on new cars. Lighter cars  = better mpg.

 

Somehow I doubt that will be seen as an acceptable solution.

Audi are pretty much going down the make them look fast and down size the engines with the 'Ultra' & other cars.

As other German manufacturers have had to end up doing.

 

No bad thing really if they are mainly just for UK use and NSL's.

Not that most Commercial Travellers need a Big Estate car for 5 days of the week, 

a more efficient petrol vehicle that can carry some samples would do for many.