With the closing working, engine and platform and engine sharing that Nissan and Renault do, the Juke gets the GTR engine in the Juke R and, if Renault want to have another go as Pyke's Peak I would expect, rather than their last attempts with the Renault V6 in the Dacia and Renault, that they would use the GTR engine in a 4 wheel drive version of the Clio.  Ghosn will use whatever he wants out of the Nissan or Renault parts bins to make his companies more successful though I suppose F1 is the prioirity fro Renault. Is the GTR gonig to be a Le Mans this year? 

 

Still lost.

What has this got to do with the Clio RS?

 

You know the Juke R wasn't built by Nissan (or Renault) as they couldn't do it.  They paid RML, the racing firm that does BTCC cars, to do it.

 

I thought this was about a car you are thinking of getting?

Don't see the relevance of Renault maybe getting hold of a GT-R and paying a motorsport firm to rebody it into something else.  As a one off special for racing.

(Like Nissan did with the Juke R)

If you do get a GT-R engined 4x4 Clio RS I'd like to see it though.

Still lost.

What has this got to do with the Clio RS?

You know the Juke R wasn't built by Nissan (or Renault) as they couldn't do it. They paid RML, the racing firm that does BTCC cars, to do it.

I thought this was about a car you are thinking of getting?

Don't see the relevance of Renault maybe getting hold of a GT-R and paying a motorsport firm to rebody it into something else. As a one off special for racing.

(Like Nissan did with the Juke R)

If you do get a GT-R engined 4x4 Clio RS I'd like to see it though.

Thatd be cool but surely it wouldnt happen?

Not unless theres your twin brother on the Clio forum anyway.

I'm a little lost too....

 

Maybe I need to buy a Fiat or Alfa to get a Ferrari 4 Cyl engine.....

Thatd be cool but surely it wouldnt happen?

Not unless theres your twin brother on the Clio forum anyway.

 

SVM have already done it to a Quashqui.

There are plenty of bonkers people out there...

 

Still, back on topic the Clio RS looks like it's had some decent improvements, to try and iron out some of the less desirable choices they made before.

There is a bit of a lack of automatic hot hatches.

 

I think it comes down to the Polo or the Clio.

Can't think of anything else right now...

Itd be the polo for me. But i like VAG.

Still dont understand why a diesel wouldnt make more sense and save pennies for that sort if mile munching though tbh.

Itd be the polo for me. But i like VAG.

Still dont understand why a diesel wouldnt make more sense and save pennies for that sort if mile munching though tbh.

 

Because fuel cost isn't an issue and petrol is more fun.

Because fuel cost isn't an issue and petrol is more fun.

Still pays 40% of it though? So he'd still save a lot of a diesel?

Granted petrol is more fun yeah, no denying that.

Maybe im just being tight . We are skoda drivers remember...

Okay. Because im off sick at the moment and i cant really do much out of bed, i had bit of a work out.

Over 40,000 miles, if you did 50mpg instead of 30mpg (at current fuel prices) youd save £945 over the year (that is at 40%)

Which is only £78 a month.

Make of that what you will.

Okay. Because im off sick at the moment and i cant really do much out of bed, i had bit of a work out.

Over 40,000 miles, if you did 50mpg instead of 30mpg (at current fuel prices) youd save £945 over the year (that is at 40%)

Which is only £78 a month.

Make of that what you will.

 

My Fiesta averages 38mpg without trying too hard.

If that saves around £500 per year it's not worth paying more for a diesel IMO.

£10 per week to drive what you want instead of what you must due to fuel cost?

I'd go for the petrol.  Might be cheaper to buy too.

My Fiesta averages 38mpg without trying too hard.

If that saves around £500 per year it's not worth paying more for a diesel IMO.

£10 per week to drive what you want instead of what you must due to fuel cost?

I'd go for the petrol. Might be cheaper to buy too.

I just took 30 as an average off the top of my head tbh. A rough guesstimate.

50mpg isnt much for a diesel either is it, but still.

I guess it boils down to personal circumstances doesnt it.

A golf GTD starts at £25k. Comfy, 180bhp. And cheaper on tax with only 109g/km.

it certainly wouldnt be a chore to drive aha.

I just took 30 as an average off the top of my head tbh. A rough guesstimate.

50mpg isnt much for a diesel either is it, but still.

I guess it boils down to personal circumstances doesnt it.

A golf GTD starts at £25k. Comfy, 180bhp. And cheaper on tax with only 109g/km.

it certainly wouldnt be a chore to drive aha.

 

And a top Spec Fiesta ST can be yours for around £16k if you shop around.

Complete with heated seats, screen, bluetooth, sat-nav, keyless entry etc...

 

I wonder what sort of deal you can get on the Clio RS.

And a top Spec Fiesta ST can be yours for around £16k if you shop around.

Complete with heated seats, screen, bluetooth, sat-nav, keyless entry etc...

I wonder what sort of deal you can get on the Clio RS.

Bargain.

The rs220 trophy is gonna be £20k upwards according to top gear.

£20k for a clio. Ugh. I wouldnt lol.

Edit: that £25k start price for a GTD is list price btw. I havent looked into it

Itd be the polo for me. But i like VAG.

Still dont understand why a diesel wouldnt make more sense and save pennies for that sort if mile munching though tbh.

 

In the UK, where diesel as a fuel costs more and the diesel cars cost more, especially as you really need a V6 diesel to get to the levels of performance we are talking about ie 0-60 mph in 6 seconds you are into quite high levels of cost ie cars that cost well north of £30K where you can get a petrol car with level of performacne for £20K.

 

Trying to remember if a have been in a V6 diesel recently but they certainly sound much smoother than the inline four diesels and the power characteristics of these modern direct injection turbo petrols ie torque from 1500 to 6500 rpm, I find much nicer than diesels push from 1500 then fall off the cliff torque at 4,750 (autos at least help deal with this somewhat).

 

So as I am blessed with a fuel card cost of fuel is of minimal importance ie petrol 44p a litre, diesel 46p a litre.  Though filling up every other day is a bit of a pain but offset against the diesel car costing about a grand or so more and performing 5 % worse (even when it has the same output such as 1.8 TSI against 2 litre diesel) I cannot see the advantage of diesels in the UK.   In mainland Europe no question but not here in the UK.

 

Most of the last 20 cars I have had have been VAG, Audi A3/A4, SEAT Ibiza, Leon Cupra, Skoda, Fabia VRS 1and 2, Octy VRS 1 and 2, and the beautiful Mk 2 L&K 1.8 TSI with 7 speed DSG and I will miss the granite interior design but now and then one needs a change.

It wouldn't surprise me if the fact that Savilles have just become the Renault and Dacia dealer round here has something to do with the final decision.....

It wouldn't surprise me if the fact that Savilles have just become the Renault and Dacia dealer round here has something to do with the final decision.....

Absolutely a major factor.

But add to that there is no Fabia 2 VRS replacement plus I work for French company who do Renault`s logistics and it makes sense.

 

Got £2K of the Fabia VRS when new and would hope to get about the same off the Clio RS especially if you go for a base one now the Cup has arrived.

 

Problem is that not all Dealers, and Savilles as a start-up, will do the Renaultsports stuff so have to cast my net wider to get a test drive but one coming up soon with Hylton.

In the UK, where diesel as a fuel costs more and the diesel cars cost more, especially as you really need a V6 diesel to get to the levels of performance we are talking about ie 0-60 mph in 6 seconds you are into quite high levels of cost ie cars that cost well north of £30K where you can get a petrol car with level of performacne for £20K.

Trying to remember if a have been in a V6 diesel recently but they certainly sound much smoother than the inline four diesels and the power characteristics of these modern direct injection turbo petrols ie torque from 1500 to 6500 rpm, I find much nicer than diesels push from 1500 then fall off the cliff torque at 4,750 (autos at least help deal with this somewhat).

So as I am blessed with a fuel card cost of fuel is of minimal importance ie petrol 44p a litre, diesel 46p a litre. Though filling up every other day is a bit of a pain but offset against the diesel car costing about a grand or so more and performing 5 % worse (even when it has the same output such as 1.8 TSI against 2 litre diesel) I cannot see the advantage of diesels in the UK. In mainland Europe no question but not here in the UK.

Most of the last 20 cars I have had have been VAG, Audi A3/A4, SEAT Ibiza, Leon Cupra, Skoda, Fabia VRS 1and 2, Octy VRS 1 and 2, and the beautiful Mk 2 L&K 1.8 TSI with 7 speed DSG and I will miss the granite interior design but now and then one needs a change.

In the UK, where diesel as a fuel costs more and the diesel cars cost more, especially as you really need a V6 diesel to get to the levels of performance we are talking about ie 0-60 mph in 6 seconds you are into quite high levels of cost ie cars that cost well north of £30K where you can get a petrol car with level of performacne for £20K.

Trying to remember if a have been in a V6 diesel recently but they certainly sound much smoother than the inline four diesels and the power characteristics of these modern direct injection turbo petrols ie torque from 1500 to 6500 rpm, I find much nicer than diesels push from 1500 then fall off the cliff torque at 4,750 (autos at least help deal with this somewhat).

So as I am blessed with a fuel card cost of fuel is of minimal importance ie petrol 44p a litre, diesel 46p a litre. Though filling up every other day is a bit of a pain but offset against the diesel car costing about a grand or so more and performing 5 % worse (even when it has the same output such as 1.8 TSI against 2 litre diesel) I cannot see the advantage of diesels in the UK. In mainland Europe no question but not here in the UK.

Most of the last 20 cars I have had have been VAG, Audi A3/A4, SEAT Ibiza, Leon Cupra, Skoda, Fabia VRS 1and 2, Octy VRS 1 and 2, and the beautiful Mk 2 L&K 1.8 TSI with 7 speed DSG and I will miss the granite interior design but now and then one needs a change.

They do cost abit more yeah

You can get a GTD DSG discounted to £24k, an octavia VRS TDI DSG should be abit cheaper again.

I know what you're saying about the power too, it does drop off at 4700 roughly which is abit of a pain in a manual, but on a DSG its shuffling through the gears plenty quick enough anyway, so isnt a massive problem.

A GTD will do 0-60 in 7.8 seconds, which is isnt too far behind the fabia VRS mk2 at 7.3 seconds. I know the fabia is actually faster that but we have to go off the claimed specs, cos we dont know if the golf is actually quicker than that too...

Golfs cheaper on tax, will hold its value better being a VW, its a nicer car all round IMO, claimed 65mpg instead of 45mpg for the VRS (and probably much less for the clio, and i think Bossfox said 38mpg for the fiesta).

I think diesels still have a place for the mile munchers amongst us, for now.

They do cost abit more yeah

You can get a GTD DSG discounted to £24k, an octavia VRS TDI DSG should be abit cheaper again.

I know what you're saying about the power too, it does drop off at 4700 roughly which is abit of a pain in a manual, but on a DSG its shuffling through the gears plenty quick enough anyway, so isnt a massive problem.

A GTD will do 0-60 in 7.8 seconds, which is isnt too far behind the fabia VRS mk2 at 7.3 seconds. I know the fabia is actually faster that but we have to go off the claimed specs, cos we dont know if the golf is actually quicker than that too...

Golfs cheaper on tax, will hold its value better being a VW, its a nicer car all round IMO, claimed 65mpg instead of 45mpg for the VRS (and probably much less for the clio, and i think Bossfox said 38mpg for the fiesta).

I think diesels still have a place for the mile munchers amongst us, for now.

 

But I want a car in the 6 second bracket  not a car in the seven second bracket now and I cannot think of any diesels that cost less than an average person's annual salary that can be bought that achieves that.

 

Hopefully the Euro will continue to fall, and the Yen, so the good stuff from Europe and Japan will get cheaper and cheaper.

 

Would love to be patriotic, and my company a part from doing the logistics for Renault,do stuff with JLR, Aston and Mclaren but they are out of my comfort zone of spending that much on a trnasport box and I would probably have a Nisan GTR but they would have to get back to be under 50K and be my retirement present in a few years time, not long after 55 hopefully.

What about a curved ball all the way from Korea ? The Kia pro ceed gt

Only Korea's first-ever hot hatch! Well, unless the shadowy boffins from North Korea have sneakily developed a homegrown GTI-beater without telling anyone.

It's the sort of thing they'd do.

It is. But the Pro_cee'd GT (and yes, it's as annoying to write as it is to read) is more besides: Kia describes it as the firm's first ‘performance oriented vehicle'.

You mean ‘fast car'?

Well, sort of. Kia isn't pitching the GT as an out-and-out sports beast, but instead a rapid all-rounder. Fast but practical. Quick but accessible. That sort of thing. The words ‘warm hatch' may even have been uttered. Top Gear does not like that phrase.

So is it fast or merely warm?

According to TG's thermometer, somewhere between the two. The Pro_cee'd GT sticks to the tried-and-tested hot hatch formula, with a 201bhp turbocharged 1.6-litre four feeding the front wheels through a six-speed manual, a formula good for an official 0-60mph time of 7.4 seconds and a top speed of 143mph. Not enough to scare the hot hatch big boys - the Focus ST, Astra VXR and Megane RS - but hot on the heels of the new 220bhp Golf GTI.

How is it to drive, then?

Very tidy, all told. The Pro_cee'd's (oh god, even worse with a possessive apostrophe) chassis has been overhauled for hot hatch duty - bumped-up dampers, stiffer springs and bushes, bigger anti-roll bar - and does a good job of keeping things under control on even really nasty roads. Sure, the GT tends to understeer at the limit, and isn't so adjustable on the throttle as, say, the new Fiesta ST, but for fast road driving it feels nicely balanced and boasts plenty of grip. It's an easy thing to drive quickly, and, unusually for a hot hatch, even rides comfortably.

A comfy ride? Isn't that rather damning with faint praise for a 'performance oriented vehicle'?

Well, it depends what you want from your fast hatch. No, the GT doesn't rival the Renaultsport Megane for fingertip involvement - the steering is a touch remote and the brakes could do with more bite - but the Megane is frankly a bit of a steroidal bugger to live with day-to-day. As an everyday runabout with enough power to have fun when your Inner Stig demands it, the GT fits the bill nicely.

So will it give me The Fizz?

Unless you've an especially overactive fizz gland, we fear not. The Pro_cee'd's engine, though powerful enough, is a touch slow to spin up and down, droning lazily rather than whipcracking through the rev range. There's not a whole lot of good noise, either - certainly nothing to rival the crackles, booms and chunters of the fast Minis.

But is it Reasonably Priced?

Oh yes. A fiver shy of 20 grand gets you all the kit you really need - including smart Recaro seats - which makes the GT some six grand cheaper than the entry-level Golf GTI, which packs just 20bhp more. No, the Kia isn't as polished or as satisfying to drive as the VW, but it's a lot of car for your cash...

THE NUMBERS

1.6-litre turbo, four-cylinder, 201bhp, 195lb ft, 0-60mph in 7.4 secs, 143mph, 38.2mpg, 171g/km CO2, six-speed manual, front-wheel drive, £19,995 

Fails the OP's sub 7 second requirement Seb, but good try....

Fails the OP's sub 7 second requirement Seb, but good try....

This.

Not that he'd realistically notice the .4 of a second in the real world.

And he wants an auto. Does it come in auto?

This.

Not that he'd realistically notice the .4 of a second in the real world.

And he wants an auto. Does it come in auto?

0.4 seconds is quite a lot I think and that 0.4 seconds at 0-60 will probably translate to several car lengths a bit further up the road.

0.4 seconds is quite a lot I think and that 0.4 seconds at 0-60 will probably translate to several car lengths a bit further up the road.

A good start n a bad start is several car lengths up the road road too.

How often do you actually do a 0-60 run? I've never done one in my fabia.

I've done a few on the bikes just to see as its 3 seconds on paper. But thats dependant on conditions n what not.. Front wheel lifting etc. n its never actually needed.

In the real world, its roll on power. 30-70 (or whatever you want to go up to). Overtaking n what not.

0-60 isnt a very good measure of speed IMO.

I swapped mine for a Leon Cupra 280... only 350 miles in so the engine still a bit tight and running winter tyres, but even then its a world apart from the vRS. Better in every way

A good start n a bad start is several car lengths up the road road too.

How often do you actually do a 0-60 run? I've never done one in my fabia.

I've done a few on the bikes just to see as its 3 seconds on paper. But thats dependant on conditions n what not.. Front wheel lifting etc. n its never actually needed.

In the real world, its roll on power. 30-70 (or whatever you want to go up to). Overtaking n what not.

0-60 isnt a very good measure of speed IMO.

 

Launch of the Fabia is quite difficult I find whereas the Clio has proper launch control. 

 

I think you are suppose to use left foot on brake and hold the revs fairly high and then release the brake and plant the throttle but it not as good as holding the revs at 4/5k on a manual and synronously disengaging the clutch and feeding the throttle to hold at 5K-ish.  But once rolling in first then it is better than a manual with perfect change points, something I struggled to get right in the Octavia VRS with its low red line.

 

Like to give the car plenty of W.O.T. else why own the car.  If you do not occasional do this then you should probably change to a smaller car.  Fabia VRS gets to 130 quite quickly (not on the Highway of course but on a closed track driven by professionals) going round the outside of a long bend against a 2 litre wiesel A3 was a particularly fun, but then it is like hitting a mis-fire or something and it does not make much difference in sports mode in 6th of Drive in 7th.

Aquila non capit muscas.

Launch of the Fabia is quite difficult I find whereas the Clio has proper launch control.

I think you are suppose to use left foot on brake and hold the revs fairly high and then release the brake and plant the throttle but it not as good as holding the revs at 4/5k on a manual and synronously disengaging the clutch and feeding the throttle to hold at 5K-ish. But once rolling in first then it is better than a manual with perfect change points, something I struggled to get right in the Octavia VRS with its low red line.

Like to give the car plenty of W.O.T. else why own the car. If you do not occasional do this then you should probably change to a smaller car. Fabia VRS gets to 130 quite quickly (not on the Highway of course but on a closed track driven by professionals) going round the outside of a long bend against a 2 litre wiesel A3 was a particularly fun, but then it is like hitting a mis-fire or something and it does not make much difference in sports mode in 6th of Drive in 7th.

Aquila non capit muscas.

A man that drives his cars properly.

Fair shout

I dont thrash my car, cos its slow, but prefer to default to the bike for the thrills.

Which isnt always possible to open up on the roads, but anyway.

0-60 runs are still rare in the open road anyway tbh.

I've come across a few fabia vrs drivers around my local roads expecting abit of a play. Nah. Nout. Just driving like fannys.

Although i did get 1 vrs mk1 fabia into play mode once. Was abit of a laugh. Still wanna know who it was, n if theyre a member on here. Haha.