Hopefully a 0-60 close to 6 second and be interesting to see how close to 8 minutes (probably not as close as the Megane Cup/Trophy) around the Ring.

 

http://www.evo.co.uk/renault/clio/15411/renaultsport-clio-220-trophy-preview-hot-hatch-gets-power-hike

208 gti ?

208 gti ?

 

Think it is only available in manual which for the amount of miles I drive, ie 40K a year, would be not desireable when I get caught in traffic and my left knee not too good either.

 

Quite like the RCZ R but it is silly money at £30K plus and again all manual I thought.

With ~40k mileage a year, would you not prefer something with a bit better fuel economy than an automatic rocket?

JRJG

Ps: Polo Gti?

With ~40k mileage a year, would you not prefer something with a bit better fuel economy than an automatic rocket?

JRJG

 

Well I live in the strange world of a fuel card so fuel is effectively 40% of what is displayed at the pumps ie currently about ie about 45p a litre for super-unleaded, think the Clio RS probably use 95 but the Cup may use 98/99 Octane.

 

Car allowance is £6K a year but when you take 40% of that it is effectively only £3.6K a year I you do not get a lot for your money for £300 per month when you are doing 36/40K miles a year.   Think having a Clio RS and a Dacia Logan Laureate 0.9 TCE as a run about, two cars for £30K so the mileage does not get silly like it is nearly 100K on the Fabia VRS and I have had it less than 3 years.   

Ps: Polo Gti?

 

Like the Polo GTI, you mean with the 1.8 TSI engine?   Fantastic engine.  Might be a bit too similar to the VRS and I fancy a change and VW, and especially Audi dealer can be a bit of kn*bs.

Like the Polo GTI, you mean with the 1.8 TSI engine? Fantastic engine. Might be a bit too similar to the VRS and I fancy a change and VW, and especially Audi dealer can be a bit of kn*bs.

I suppose it would be quite similar to the Fabia.

It sounds as though you do a lot of miles though, would a motorway muncher not be better suited, something a bit bigger and more comfortable, or do you prefer a smaller 'nippier' car?

What about a one series BMW? An M Sport one, or is that pushing the budget?

Must say the new clio sports can't half shift. Was in a friends 325D when he decided to sail (20mph) past a stationary (at a set of lights) Clio sport, and even with us having a rolling start, it caught up to us very quickly.

Sounded good too. Are they a straight 2.0 ?

JRJG

But... its a Renault, OK slightly better than Peugeot or Citroen for sure but still French.

I suppose it would be quite similar to the Fabia.   It sounds as though you do a lot of miles though, would a motorway muncher not be better suited, something a bit bigger and more comfortable, or do you prefer a smaller 'nippier' car?     What about a one series BMW? An M Sport one, or is that pushing the budget?  Must say the new clio sports can't half shift. Was in a friends 325D when he decided to sail (20mph) past a stationary (at a set of lights) Clio sport, and even with us having a rolling start, it caught up to us very quickly. Sounded good too. Are they a straight 2.0 ?

JRJG

 

The Fabia VRS is a surpisingly good mileage muncher as the seats are good and in 7th gear the revs are very low.  If it reach the red line it top gear it would be doing over 190 mph !   Slightly annoying small tank ie nominal 45 litres but with venting it will hold 50 litres so you get 450-550 mile range depending on how you are driving on the long journeys.   Yes the Standard Clio RS is quicker than a 325D (except in very slippy conditions) and with launch control effcient off the line, hoping the Cup version is close to 6 seconds rather than 6.5s to 60 with all it tweaks.

But... its a Renault, OK slightly better than Peugeot or Citroen for sure but still French.

 

Well the Clio RS is probably as much Nissan as it is Renault and worth remembering Renault won 4 straight world championship and Nissan-Renault produce the best pound for pound car, the GTR, in the world.

 

The French also produce the best planes through Airbus (A380) and the electricity you are probably using to write your email was produced in a EDF nuclear power station, just saying.

Renault dont have a lot to do with the GTR!!

 

Its a business arrangement first and foremost

 

If I was to replace my Fabia with something similar it would be the Fiesta ST without doubt

Well the Clio RS is probably as much Nissan as it is Renault and worth remembering Renault won 4 straight world championship and Nissan-Renault produce the best pound for pound car, the GTR, in the world.

The French also produce the best planes through Airbus (A380) and the electricity you are probably using to write your email was produced in a EDF nuclear power station, just saying.

Isnt the new 220 supposedly lazy compared to the 172/182 that got the car its name amoungst car enthusiasts?

I dont like french cars much as a rule so i sorta default to thinking VAG. but if you arent interested in VAG stuff then i dno what to say haha.

What exactly is the budget?

This money your getting back, 40%. Wouldnt it make more sense to get a nice diesel with better economy and spend less on fuel in the first place?

I guess a GTD Golf is out of budget?

Well the Clio RS is probably as much Nissan as it is Renault and worth remembering Renault won 4 straight world championship and Nissan-Renault produce the best pound for pound car, the GTR, in the world.

 

The French also produce the best planes through Airbus (A380) and the electricity you are probably using to write your email was produced in a EDF nuclear power station, just saying.

 

I dont know much about aeroplanes or the GTR, other than being in the Aerospace parts industry and I know most parts on the Airbus' are from Germany, the UK or America, and as has been mentioned that the jizz in my shorts GTR is not very Renault, but all I do know is that all mainstream french cars devalue very quickly, at 7 yeas old are fairly worthless unless special and you never see many with the medium or high miles that the VAG group cars have and fleet companies avoid them.

 

This is all for a reason, just saying.

 

Saying that, Its got to be better than the Mistubishi Evo... pile of poo more time broken than working.

Well the Clio RS is probably as much Nissan as it is Renault and worth remembering Renault won 4 straight world championship and Nissan-Renault produce the best pound for pound car, the GTR, in the world.

 

You might want to rethink that.

Considering the GT-R is the brainchild of a group of Japanese Techs and built only in one Japanese factory.

The Clio RS certainly isn't.

 

My choice would be the Fiesta ST all day long, but your requirement for an automatic rules out a lot of nice options.

Clio RS is probably your best call if the Polo GTI doesn't suit.

Hopefully a 0-60 close to 6 second and be interesting to see how close to 8 minutes (probably not as close as the Megane Cup/Trophy) around the Ring.

 

http://www.evo.co.uk/renault/clio/15411/renaultsport-clio-220-trophy-preview-hot-hatch-gets-power-hike

3DR OR 5 DR, Manual or Auto, Budget constraint?

 

Just goes to show how flexible and accommodating the Fabia vRS MK2 is/ was - except for not having a manual option.

 

Polo GTI 1.8, seems to cover most, if not all bases.(except for an estate)

 

http://www.briskoda.net/forums/topic/342439-new-corsa-vxr-competiton-to-fiesta-st-or-peugeot-gti-etc/

 

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/motor-shows-geneva-motor-show/hot-renault-clio-220-trophy-revealed

 

BMW Mini options? Cooper S /SD?

Edited 5 March, 201511 yr by vrskeith

Renault dont have a lot to do with the GTR!!

 

Its a business arrangement first and foremost

 

If I was to replace my Fabia with something similar it would be the Fiesta ST without doubt

 

Nissan and Renault work on many engine and platform projects and the Clio RS engine is one of them 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_MR_engine

 

Ford do not have an autobox in the Fiesta or Focus STs. 

Fiesta looks too small to me and whilst you could get £5K off the Focus they seemed to have stopped doing that recently.

I know so many people, particularly is Essex, who get 30% plus off the RRP, that I would feel cheated paying anything like full price for a Ford!

Isnt the new 220 supposedly lazy compared to the 172/182 that got the car its name amoungst car enthusiasts?

I dont like french cars much as a rule so i sorta default to thinking VAG. but if you arent interested in VAG stuff then i dno what to say haha.

What exactly is the budget?

This money your getting back, 40%. Wouldnt it make more sense to get a nice diesel with better economy and spend less on fuel in the first place?

I guess a GTD Golf is out of budget?

 

Yes it is much softer but that is not a bad thing for everyday use.

 

We had a William Clio as a pursuit car in Customs and it was a bit hard core as was a Leon Cupra once owned. Would shake your fillings loose!

 

Cup version would be more hard core like the Megane 275 which held the crown of fastest FWD car round the Ring taken by the new Tyre R (7'54 against 7.50.5")

 

Cupra third at 7'58".

Do not buy a peugeot. Crap engines. The 1.6 turbo is a tapperty mess of an engine. That's why bmw have changed it in the coopers S. Polo GTI DSG

Seat Leon cupra 280 or 265 used DSG 3 OR 5 DR.

 

Good deals out there .

 

Leon 265/ 280 Cupra may be the "new" Fabia vrs mk2. Fun, all round car to have, at reasonable money/spec.

Do not buy a peugeot. Crap engines. The 1.6 turbo is a tapperty mess of an engine. That's why bmw have changed it in the coopers S. Polo GTI DSG

Bmw are changing all their engines to 500cc per cylinder arent they.

Not just the cooper S.

Nissan and Renault work on many engine and platform projects and the Clio RS engine is one of them 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_MR_engine

 

Ford do not have an autobox in the Fiesta or Focus STs. 

Fiesta looks too small to me and whilst you could get £5K off the Focus they seemed to have stopped doing that recently.

I know so many people, particularly is Essex, who get 30% plus off the RRP, that I would feel cheated paying anything like full price for a Ford!

I'm aware of the combined projects but the arrangement was as much about moving money about and as Richard pointed out the GTR hasn't got the slightest whiff of garlic about it nor do a lot of Nissans

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Renault%E2%80%93Nissan_Alliance

 

"The Alliance is a strategic partnership based on the rationale that, due to substantial cross-shareholding investments, each company acts in the financial interest of the other—while maintaining individual brand identities and independent corporate cultures. Renault currently has a 43.4 percent (fully voting) stake in Nissan, and Nissan holds a 15 percent (non-voting) stake in Renault effectively giving Renault control. Although more companies have adopted such an arrangement, it remains controversial. "

You might want to rethink that.

Considering the GT-R is the brainchild of a group of Japanese Techs and built only in one Japanese factory.

The Clio RS certainly isn't.

 

My choice would be the Fiesta ST all day long, but your requirement for an automatic rules out a lot of nice options.

Clio RS is probably your best call if the Polo GTI doesn't suit.

 

An comparison theat Autoexpress did between the Fiesta ST, Renault RS and the Nismo Juke which uses the updated Nissan-Renault MR16DDT engine.

Key specs:  

 

                                                        Ford Fiesta ST-3                      Renault Clio RS 200 Turbo EDC Lux Cup                  Nissan Juke Nismo RS

On-the-road price/total as tested                        £19,395/£19,670                              £19,995/£22,240                              £21,650/£21,650

Residual value (after 3yrs/36,000)                        £11,385/58.7%                                £9,158/45.8%                                 £9,351/43.2%

Depreciation                                               £8,010                                      £10,837                                      £12,299

Annual tax liability std/higher rate                       £818/£1,637                                 £926/£1,851                                  £1,199/£2,398

Annual fuel cost (12k/20k miles)                           £2,171/£3,618                             £2,171/£3,618                                  £2,093/£3,489

Ins. group/quote/road tax band/cost                        30E/£382/E/£130                           29E/£376/F/£145                              20E/£351/G/£180

Cost of 1st/2nd/3rd service                                £550 (3yrs)                                £299 (3yrs)                                    £0 (3yrs)        

Length/wheelbase                                           3,982/2,489mm                      4,090/2,589mm                                      4,165/2,530mm

Height/width                                                  1,495/1,709mm                         1,432/1,732mm                                 1,565/1,765mm

Engine                                               4cyl in-line/1,596cc                   4cyl in-line/1,618cc                                  4cyl in-line/1,618cc

Peak power                                       180/5,700 bhp/rpm                    197/6,000 bhp/rpm                                          215/6,000 bhp/rpm

Peak torque                                       290/1,500 Nm/rpm                    240/1,750 Nm/rpm                                            280/3,600 Nm/rpm

Transmission                                     6-spd man/fwd                           6-spd auto/fwd                                           6-spd man/fwd

Fuel tank capacity/spare wheel        48 litres/sealant                        45 litres/sealant 300/1,146 litres                                 46 litres/sealant

Boot capacity (seats up/down)         290/974 litres                            300/1,146 litred                                                  354/1,189 litres

0-60/30-70mph                                   7.8/6.3 secs                              7.1/6.3 secs                                                 7.9/5.6 secs

30-50mph in 3rd/4th                           3.0/4.3 secs                               3.3/4.4 secs                                                  3.3/5.0 secs

50-70mph in 5th/6th                           5.4/7.2 secs                               6.4/8.7 secs                                                5.9/7.9 secs

Top speed/rpm at 70mph                  139mph/2,600rpm                       143mph/2,600rpm                                                        137mph/2,900rpm

Braking 70-0/60-0/30-0mph               50.8/37.5/9.2m                           47.6/35.6/9.0m                                                     52.4/38.0/10.0m

Auto Express econ (mpg/mpl)/range 27.0/5.9/285 miles                    27.0/5.9/267 miles                                                        28.0/6.2/283 miles

Govt urban/extra-urban/combined     35.8/58.9/47.9mpg                    34.9/55.4/44.8mpg                                                       29.4/49.6/39.2mpg

Govt urban/extra-urban/combined     7.9/13.0/10.5mpl                        7.7/12.2/9.9mpl                                                      6.5/10.9/8.6mpl

An comparison theat Autoexpress did between the Fiesta ST, Renault RS and the Nismo Juke which uses the updated Nissan-Renault MR16DDT engine.

Key specs:  

 

                                                        Ford Fiesta ST-3                      Renault Clio RS 200 Turbo EDC Lux Cup                  Nissan Juke Nismo RS

On-the-road price/total as tested                        £19,395/£19,670                              £19,995/£22,240                              £21,650/£21,650

Residual value (after 3yrs/36,000)                        £11,385/58.7%                                £9,158/45.8%                                 £9,351/43.2%

Depreciation                                               £8,010                                      £10,837                                      £12,299

Annual tax liability std/higher rate                       £818/£1,637                                 £926/£1,851                                  £1,199/£2,398

Annual fuel cost (12k/20k miles)                           £2,171/£3,618                             £2,171/£3,618                                  £2,093/£3,489

Ins. group/quote/road tax band/cost                        30E/£382/E/£130                           29E/£376/F/£145                              20E/£351/G/£180

Cost of 1st/2nd/3rd service                                £550 (3yrs)                                £299 (3yrs)                                    £0 (3yrs)        

Length/wheelbase                                           3,982/2,489mm                      4,090/2,589mm                                      4,165/2,530mm

Height/width                                                  1,495/1,709mm                         1,432/1,732mm                                 1,565/1,765mm

Engine                                               4cyl in-line/1,596cc                   4cyl in-line/1,618cc                                  4cyl in-line/1,618cc

Peak power                                       180/5,700 bhp/rpm                    197/6,000 bhp/rpm                                          215/6,000 bhp/rpm

Peak torque                                       290/1,500 Nm/rpm                    240/1,750 Nm/rpm                                            280/3,600 Nm/rpm

Transmission                                     6-spd man/fwd                           6-spd auto/fwd                                           6-spd man/fwd

Fuel tank capacity/spare wheel        48 litres/sealant                        45 litres/sealant 300/1,146 litres                                 46 litres/sealant

Boot capacity (seats up/down)         290/974 litres                            300/1,146 litred                                                  354/1,189 litres

0-60/30-70mph                                   7.8/6.3 secs                              7.1/6.3 secs                                                 7.9/5.6 secs

30-50mph in 3rd/4th                           3.0/4.3 secs                               3.3/4.4 secs                                                  3.3/5.0 secs

50-70mph in 5th/6th                           5.4/7.2 secs                               6.4/8.7 secs                                                5.9/7.9 secs

Top speed/rpm at 70mph                  139mph/2,600rpm                       143mph/2,600rpm                                                        137mph/2,900rpm

Braking 70-0/60-0/30-0mph               50.8/37.5/9.2m                           47.6/35.6/9.0m                                                     52.4/38.0/10.0m

Auto Express econ (mpg/mpl)/range 27.0/5.9/285 miles                    27.0/5.9/267 miles                                                        28.0/6.2/283 miles

Govt urban/extra-urban/combined     35.8/58.9/47.9mpg                    34.9/55.4/44.8mpg                                                       29.4/49.6/39.2mpg

Govt urban/extra-urban/combined     7.9/13.0/10.5mpl                        7.7/12.2/9.9mpl                                                      6.5/10.9/8.6mpl

 

Very interesting, but what has it got to do with the GT-R? (which was the point I was making)

Proving the Clio is close in design to a Juke just makes it a bigger turd in my opinion.

 

I am amused by the fact that the Ford not only costs less than the other two, but also suffers significantly less depreciation.  Wow.

Very interesting, but what has it got to do with the GT-R? (which was the point I was making)

Proving the Clio is close in design to a Juke just makes it a bigger turd in my opinion.

 

I am amused by the fact that the Ford not only costs less than the other two, but also suffers significantly less depreciation.  Wow.

 

With the closing working, engine and platform and engine sharing that Nissan and Renault do, the Juke gets the GTR engine in the Juke R and, if Renault want to have another go as Pyke's Peak I would expect, rather than their last attempts with the Renault V6 in the Dacia and Renault, that they would use the GTR engine in a 4 wheel drive version of the Clio.  Ghosn will use whatever he wants out of the Nissan or Renault parts bins to make his companies more successful though I suppose F1 is the prioirity fro Renault. Is the GTR gonig to be a Le Mans this year?