The 1.4 TSI 140ps (103kW) and 250Nm. The only one on the octavia, as far as I know.

 

realised it after..............ops!

 

As I added to my edit the 1.4lt 140PS & 1.8lt 180PS engine are limited to the same peak torque figure of 250Nm, (180Ps is over a larger rev range).

 

However the 1.8Lt is another 65Kg heavier than the 1.4lt 140PS.............based on total kerb weight, ok some kg is trim differences.

 

Anyway the 140PS can be tuned to the same bhp & more torque than the 1.8 180PS..............just a simple remap! However I run mine on Shell Nitro & it really flies!

The 1.8 Tsi produces way less torque than the vRS TDI doesnt it? It the same as the 1.4TSI, the 4x4 getd a bit more torque.

But it is faster.

Traction and weight are the key elements there, the vRS TDI is carrying a good 80Kg under the bonnet more than the 1.8 although the Haldex system weighs in pretty hefty too both are carrying the multi-link rear suspension that the 1.4 TSI doesn't so, its all pretty close.  Add another 40bhp and 70Nm to the 1.4 TSI with a tuning box/sports air filter and you'll close to 7sec. 0-62mhph but, who would wanna do a thing like that ?

 

 

Use the performance though and you get TWMNA consumption. He is a bad man.

Not bad just, misunderstood. LOL

are carrying the multi-link rear suspension that the 1.4 TSI doesn't  

 

Golf MK7 estate GT 1.4lt 140PS has multilink rear sports suspension ............... :sun:

 

One of the reasons I chose it over the Octavia............... :p

realised it after..............ops!

 

As I added to my edit the 1.4lt 140PS & 1.8lt 180PS engine are limited to the same peak torque figure of 250Nm, (180Ps is over a larger rev range).

 

However the 1.8Lt is another 65Kg heavier than the 1.4lt 140PS.............based on total kerb weight, ok some kg is trim differences.

 

Anyway the 140PS can be tuned to the same bhp & more torque than the 1.8 180PS..............just a simple remap! However I run mine on Shell Nitro & it really flies!

I'm just talking about standard vehicules, not tuned.

In the same way, remaping the 1.8 you could reach 220hp and 320Nm... (by the way the new Polo GTI has the same 1.8 engine at 192hp and 320Nm...)

On the Octavia, the peak torque is limited because of the DSG.

 

I'm sure the 1.4 TSI in the octavia is an excellent engine, especially for the current driving conditions in our countries.

Be don't beleive an instant it is close the 1.8 TSI in terms of performances and flexibility.

The 1.8 is simply bigger with even more technology...

On fuel consumption, I agree, the 1.4 is very probably better.

Traction and weight are the key elements there, the vRS TDI is carrying a good 80Kg under the bonnet more than the 1.8 although the Haldex system weighs in pretty hefty too both are carrying the multi-link rear suspension that the 1.4 TSI doesn't so, its all pretty close. Add another 40bhp and 70Nm to the 1.4 TSI with a tuning box/sports air filter and you'll close to 7sec. 0-62mhph but, who would wanna do a thing like that ?

Not bad just, misunderstood. LOL

If my memory serves me right, the vRS TDI DSG is about 50 kg heavier than the 1.8 TSI 4x4 Dsg.

And add a remap to the 1.8, and youll see sub 7 times. But who would wanna do that?

But I'll have to admit, if the 1.4 was available with 4x4, I would probably have gone for that instead of the 1.8.

I'm just talking about standard vehicules, not tuned.

In the same way, remaping the 1.8 you could reach 220hp and 320Nm... (by the way the new Polo GTI has the same 1.8 engine at 192hp and 320Nm...)

On the Octavia, the peak torque is limited because of the DSG.

 

I'm sure the 1.4 TSI in the octavia is an excellent engine, especially for the current driving conditions in our countries.

Be don't beleive an instant it is close the 1.8 TSI in terms of performances and flexibility.

The 1.8 is simply bigger with even more technology...

On fuel consumption, I agree, the 1.4 is very probably better.

 

The EA211 engines have most of the tech that the EA888 (1.8 & 2lt TSI) engines have, integrated exhaust manifold, & cooling, separate High & Low temp coolant circuits, lighter crankshafts, multi injection injectors, vari camshafts (inlet on all & exhaust on some) etc etc.The EA211 is slightly newer & has a lot of the proven tech from the "older" EA888 although both are "New" engine types for the MQB platform...............

 

reports on EA888

 

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php?q=EA888&do=search&lng=en&sid=utmm5qg3ma8eodlrpsp32fvsh6&site=a4e&filter=a4e&x=0&y=0

 

reports on EA211

 

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php?q=EA211&do=search&lng=en&sid=utmm5qg3ma8eodlrpsp32fvsh6&site=a4e&filter=a4e&x=0&y=0

The EA211 engines have most of the tech that the EA888 (1.8 & 2lt TSI) engines have, integrated exhaust manifold, & cooling, separate High & Low temp coolant circuits, lighter crankshafts, multi injection injectors, vari camshafts (inlet on all & exhaust on some) etc etc.The EA211 is slightly newer & has a lot of the proven tech from the "older" EA888 although both are "New" engine types for the MQB platform...............

 

reports on EA888

 

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php?q=EA888&do=search&lng=en&sid=utmm5qg3ma8eodlrpsp32fvsh6&site=a4e&filter=a4e&x=0&y=0

 

reports on EA211

 

http://www.atzonline.com/index.php?q=EA211&do=search&lng=en&sid=utmm5qg3ma8eodlrpsp32fvsh6&site=a4e&filter=a4e&x=0&y=0

Yes, still the EA211 is missing the double injection, direct and indirect.

My 1.4TSi DSG  was build week 2 or 3 I think, I have checked the V5 but the only information on the engine seems to be its number and output kw and Co2. How do you tell what engine you have? My Engine No is: CHPA263581. I guess it should be the EA211 with long life cam belt?

My 1.4TSi DSG  was build week 2 or 3 I think, I have checked the V5 but the only information on the engine seems to be its number and output kw and Co2. How do you tell what engine you have? My Engine No is: CHPA263581. I guess it should be the EA211 with long life cam belt?

 

Yours is a CHPA EA211 type.......all EA211 have cam belts!

Yours is a CHPA EA211 type.......all EA211 have cam belts!

Do you know if the 1.8 have cam belt or chain?

Do you know if the 1.8 have cam belt or chain?

 

EA888 are chain with Lancaster balance shaft........

Having driven both the 1.4 and 1.8tsi I'll give my 2 cents worth. For what it is, I think the 1.4 is a great unit; refined and economical. I averaged 44mpg on a directly comparable run to the 1.8 which averaged 37mpg. Not sure how these figures compare to official figures but imo up to around 4000rpm there's very little in the performance. It's only when you extend them both out towards the Rev limiter that you'll really notice the improvement the 1.8 brings to the party. Pushing hard down the slip road on my test route was a prime example of this. Technically, the 1.8 is a nicer unit in terms of internal design. Being an EA888 it also has big tuning reserves imo. Vag only limit the unit in terms of torque as the application can be mixed with the relatively weak dry DSG setup. (My gen 2 1.8tsi is very happily running 430nm torque through the six speed manual and has done so for over 25,000 miles). There are other considerations when choosing between the two engines - rear suspension setup as already mentioned - whether you favour the beam setup for weight saving and simplicity or want the slightly better ride and refinement of heavier, more complex independent setup and also brake setup. The 1.8tsi gets the 312mm setup and the 1.4tsi gets the smaller 288mm setup afaik. For most people, the 1.4 will be ideal unless they spent the majority of their time on the motorway. In that environment is also expect the two units mph figures to be slightly closer than what I gained.

. Technically, the 1.8 is a nicer unit in terms of internal design. I like the simplicity of the EA211, but my opinion, but both are great

 

Being an EA888 it also has big tuning reserves imo. Of course it has, as it is the base for the R400 car as well & has to be able to go more power

 

Vag only limit the unit in terms of torque as the application can be mixed with the relatively weak dry DSG setup. Also the manual is a weaker design & although stronger than the DSG the manual used for the 1.8/ 1.4/1.2 is weaker than the one on the Golf R & Octavia VRS, but can't find the proper info at the moment!

 

rear suspension setup as already mentioned - whether you favour the beam setup for weight saving and simplicity or want the slightly better ride and refinement of heavier, more complex independent setup and also brake setup. As I stated earlier VW give the MK7 Golf GT the 1.4 140PS & multilink rear, best of both worlds!

 

The 1.8tsi gets the 312mm setup and the 1.4tsi gets the smaller 288mm setup afaik. The 1.8 has a heavier nose weight so needs it.

 

 For most people, the 1.4 will be ideal unless they spent the majority of their time on the motorway. In that environment is also expect the two units mph figures to be slightly closer than what I gained. I was looking into getting an ABT remap to the same BHP as the 1.8lt & more torque than the 1.8, with the same TUV approved emissions as the standard 1.4, so lower car tax than 1.8!, & the lower nose weight! so win win, .....however due to the security cage around the ECU & the engine having loosened up nicely, I am preferring to spend the money on Shell Nitro!

... but imo up to around 4000rpm there's very little in the performance. It's only when you extend them both out towards the Rev limiter that you'll really notice the improvement the 1.8 brings to the party. ..

I will be here in general agreement, in the case of a manual Gearbox. Both the 1.4 and 1.8 use the same manual gearbox, with same transmission ratios and axle ratio.

As long as you run on high gears (4 to 6) and remain below 3500-4000rpm, the ride will be very similar.

With the DSG7, however, this is a bit different as each car has its specific gearbox ratios. In the above mentioned conditions, the 1.8 has 15% more torque available (at wheels) and will be more flexible than the 1.4.  

I will be here in general agreement, in the case of a manual Gearbox. Both the 1.4 and 1.8 use the same manual gearbox, with same transmission ratios and axle ratio.

As long as you run on high gears (4 to 6) and remain below 3500-4000rpm, the ride will be very similar.

With the DSG7, however, this is a bit different as each car has its specific gearbox ratios. In the above mentioned conditions, the 1.8 has 15% more torque available (at wheels) and will be more flexible than the 1.4.

Do you any graphs showing the real World torque of the 4x4 version of the 1.8?

to Gromle

No, I don't have this one. But it can be built based on the Power and Torque engine curves and the gearbox characteristics.

Edited 4 April, 201511 yr by JPH0091

to Gromle

No, I don't have this one. But it can be built based on the Power and Torque engine curves and the gearbox characteristics.

That would be a bit over my head to calculate

Yours is a CHPA EA211 type.......all EA211 have cam belts!

Thanks, I did realize that I had a cam belt, so as you say it is a EA211 type - which means it does has a "Long Life Cam Belt" as opposed to a normal replace every 3~4 years or so as on my previous Passat. :(

 

From Car and Driver:

"VW says the EA211’s belts are good for the lifetime of the engine. No mileage was quoted, but we expect “lifetime” to mean at least 100,000 miles."

 

At my present mileage of 5k a year means I will need a replacement in 20 years time, somehow I don't think the car, or I, will be around then.............but maybe we'll grow old together

Thanks, I did realize that I had a cam belt, so as you say it is a EA211 type - which means it does has a "Long Life Cam Belt" as opposed to a normal replace every 3~4 years or so as on my previous Passat. :(

 

From Car and Driver:

"VW says the EA211’s belts are good for the lifetime of the engine. No mileage was quoted, but we expect “lifetime” to mean at least 100,000 miles."

 

At my present mileage of 5k a year means I will need a replacement in 20 years time, somehow I don't think the car, or I, will be around then.............but maybe we'll grow old together

the belts maybe good for the life of the engine but are the engines good enough for the life of the belts ?

performance wise the 1.4 tsi is good, but the same cant be said about the reliability.

there's been too many problems with these engines for my liking.

i'll stick with a big dirty diesel for know

the belts maybe good for the life of the engine but are the engines good enough for the life of the belts ?

performance wise the 1.4 tsi is good, but the same cant be said about the reliability.

there's been too many problems with these engines for my liking.

i'll stick with a big dirty diesel for know

I haven't seen many reliability issues with the EA211 yet. Most engine issues seem to be build quality related rather than design flaws.

The can belt is supposed to be inspected regularly, but being oil bathed, shouldn't need replacement.

performance wise the 1.4 tsi is good, but the same cant be said about the reliability.

there's been too many problems with these engines for my liking.

i'll stick with a big dirty diesel for know

What problems are you referring to as the 1.4tsi has proven pretty solid so far IMO?

Maybe confusing with the problems related to the early 1.4 twin charger?

Which is still being used in a recent Aus release of the Jetta, made in Mexico, non-MQB and under pricing the base Octavia (and in base Tiguan).

I would be wary of it too.

Edited 5 April, 201511 yr by Gerrycan

I'll decide what to do at end of the 3 year interest-free plan. If the car has been as pleasing and reliable as it is now, and if a tempting version is still available at a good price, I'll swap it for that version on a similar plan if there is one. I'll then be treating the monthly payment like any other regular cost, like council tax! But also saving on things like servicing costs and AA membership, if similar deals are on offer - I'll be putting on my haggle hat. Also it means I wouldn't be left with the low trade-in value of a 6 year old car, like my previous 1.8 TSi represented.

 

Otherwise I'll pay up the final lump sum of this deal and look at everything similar around by then.

So in theory I'll either be trading in a 3 year old car with only about 16000 miles on the clock, or paying the lump sum and carry on with it if nothing else appeals to me

(like a mobility scooter by then !!)

the belts maybe good for the life of the engine but are the engines good enough for the life of the belts ?

performance wise the 1.4 tsi is good, but the same cant be said about the reliability.

there's been too many problems with these engines for my liking.

i'll stick with a big dirty diesel for know

 

That's the old twin charger engines & NOT the new EA211 engines which are turbo only!

 

Also the EA211 engine has the water coolant pump swapped over to the gearbox side & has it's own drive off the crankshaft, thus there is less strain on the timing belts, & if the coolant pump breaks it can't affect the timing belts!

 

 

EDIT:-

 

WRONG!...............

 

re-read it........own toothed belt driven of one of the camshafts.............

Edited 5 April, 201511 yr by fabdavrav

That's the old twin charger engines & NOT the new EA211 engines which are turbo only!

 

Also the EA211 engine has the water coolant pump swapped over to the gearbox side & has it's own drive off the crankshaft, thus there is less strain on the timing belts, & if the coolant pump breaks it can't affect the timing belts!

 

 

EDIT:-

 

WRONG!...............

 

re-read it........own toothed belt driven of one of the camshafts.............

is the ea211 a complete new engine or just a modified version of the 1.4tsi

i realise that most problems where with the twincharger version, but alot of the failures showed how fragile this engine is.

the changes vag have made to this engine , may or may not fix things, i guess time will tell.

imo, it's a risky business buying a 1.4tsi, especially if you intend keeping the car out of warranty.