30 miles a week, are these all at once or bits and bobs?

Have you taken into account if the engine has a DPF or not?

I had the same thoughts when buying the Touran - 1.4T petrol dsg or 2.0cr diesel dsg.

Diesel cheaper to buy new believe it or not and a lot better on fuel.

Unless the price of petrol drops by 20p a litre I won't be changing back anytime soon - I do 10k per annum.

It will be bits and bobs. Family car with 3 kids is am smax and I now have a work van. The 2nd car is for me going midweek football and ferrying kids about to clubs at weekends.

It will be bits and bobs. Family car with 3 kids is am smax and I now have a work van. The 2nd car is for me going midweek football and ferrying kids about to clubs at weekends.

Do not buy a new modern age diesel then

You will kill it doing those miles and it will cost you. Plus the higher purchase price of an equivalent diesel makes it a no brainer.

You need a petrol

It will be bits and bobs. Family car with 3 kids is am smax and I now have a work van. The 2nd car is for me going midweek football and ferrying kids about to clubs at weekends.

1.9pd then

Pretty sure they don't have a DPF, the 2.0cr certainly does.

Not sure about the 2.0pd 140 but I think the 170bhp PD one does

Someone will know (:

Do not buy a new modern age diesel then

You will kill it doing those miles and it will cost you. Plus the higher purchase price of an equivalent diesel makes it a no brainer.

You need a petrol

As I said though Jase, I dont want a big road tax bill but still want performance.

I need to stretch the fabia.

You definitely need to avoid the CR engined cars then as you will kill the DPF.

 

The 1.9 PD105 is sometimes fitted with a DPF on the Golf so just watch out for that.

 

This might help you narrow down which ones do and don't have a DPF;

 

http://www.parkers.co.uk/cars/reviews/facts-and-figures/volkswagen/golf/hatchback-2004/

 

Consider one with a DSG too IMO.

 

Phil

As I said though Jase, I dont want a big road tax bill but still want performance.

I need to stretch the fabia.

1.4tsi then found in the mk6 golf. The newer incarnation in 160bhp form.

You aren't making sense though you dont want to pay an extra £50-100 but your willing to pay an extra £1500-2000 for a diesel car in the same spec as a petrol and pay higher fuel prices

But yes i hear you say..... Diesel gets better mpg... Not over 30 miles a week it doesnt, you'll have to own it for the next century for it to make financial sense

All valid points but I realise I have not mentioned budget, as in whatever I get for my vrs will go on the new car. I think £3500 is my limit

Diesel still doesn't make any sense to me though Steve. And diesel taxes are expected to rise, most likely sharply, as mentioned. Any excuse for the governments. In fact as far as they care, they don't even need an excuse.

 

Each to their own and if your still set on a diesel, and we haven't convinced you otherwise, fair enough.  .

 

Edit :- No heat in winter, from a diesel. Get heated seats, Lol.

Edited 8 June, 201511 yr by Tilt

You all have put forward good points but I dont see anything in my price range with reasonable tax that offers good performance.

Average the difference in tax over 12 months, then realise it doesn't really matter.

Is that the higher bhp bud?

I wonder if your six speed has similar ratio's to the DSG's six? I'm assuming the 5 speed has slightly higher ratio gearing?

I'm sure my Saab was 6 speed, but as I say, gutless low down. GM engine iirc?

Nope mine is the 1.9 105 bhp (BXE) Engine non DPF, they only did two power outputs for the 1.9 in the Touran ( 90 & 105 ).

Not sure how similar the ratios on them are, @ 40mph in 6th it's doing 1300rpm, maybe Phil-E can confirm what his DSG does?

 

For me the bhp figure when buying a diesel is somewhat irrelevant, You drive a Diesel on torque, I mean it produces 105 bhp at 4000rpm, Who drives a diesel around at 4000rpm!!, Most of the time your around the 1500-2500 rpm range which is where you need torque and with max torque of (184 lbf·ft) @ 1,900 rpm this is where there best at.

Edited 9 June, 201511 yr by tamiyaandy

Diesel makes no sense given the type of driving that car wil be used for. The ideal setup is a small torquey petrol. I get what your on about, wanting to keeping costs down, but.. youre maintenance vill has the potential along with the crap fuel consumption youd get on that sorta diesel usage will far tilt the balance back on the tax saving..

Nope mine is the 1.9 105 bhp (BXE) Engine non DPF, they only did two power outputs for the 1.9 in the Touran ( 90 & 105 ).

 

For some reason, I thought all the manual 105's were 5 speed, Andy. That is the only reason I asked.

 

It may be a Skoda thing though? Not sure now.

For some reason, I thought all the manual 105's were 5 speed, Andy. That is the only reason I asked.

It may be a Skoda thing though? Not sure now.

My mates got a golf mk6 1.9pd 105 with a 6 speed box (:

Nope mine is the 1.9 105 bhp (BXE) Engine non DPF, they only did two power outputs for the 1.9 in the Touran ( 90 & 105 ).

Not sure how similar the ratios on them are, @ 40mph in 6th it's doing 1300rpm, maybe Phil-E can confirm what his DSG does?

 

For me the bhp figure when buying a diesel is somewhat irrelevant, You drive a Diesel on torque, I mean it produces 105 bhp at 4000rpm, Who drives a diesel around at 4000rpm!!, Most of the time your around the 1500-2500 rpm range which is where you need torque and with max torque of (184 lbf·ft) @ 1,900 rpm this is where there best at.

 

At 40 mph the gearbox is in 5th at about 1500rpm it doesn't shift into 6th until you go over 40mph as it tries to keep the revs above 1500rpm. 70mph is about 2100rpm in 6th.

 

And agreed on the torque. Quite rare for me to let the engine rev right out as it's just pointless. Progressive pressure on the throttle coming out of a 30mph zone in 4th gear will keep it in 4th but give you a chunk of torque from the engine to get it moving quickly.

 

Think this is why the PD105 is surprisingly quick for just 105bhp.

 

For some reason, I thought all the manual 105's were 5 speed, Andy. That is the only reason I asked.

 

It may be a Skoda thing though? Not sure now.

 

They are all 5 speed in the Octavia (apart from the 1.9 4x4 which has a 6 speed- although a shorter geared version). VW offered a 6 speed on certain versions. VW also used a DPF on some. Bit of a mish-mash of different configurations with the same platform and engine.

After my drive into work this morning I can confirm that @ 70Mph in 6th is bang on 2500rpm, So the 6-speed manual is shorter geared than the DSG configuration.

 

Agree with Phil on how surprising the PD105 is, on paper the performance figures are hardly anything to shout about and especially lugging a boxy 7 seat MPV around, but in real world driving ( 30-50mph pull etc ) I never fell like its underpowered.

Definitely.

 

I can also get a really good range out of ours. Once did Germany via Dover to York on one tank (over 630 miles driven) with 45 miles left.

 

So to summarise... if you really must have a diesel go for the 1.9 PD105 without a DPF.

Also make sure you get the right tyres.

 

After taking my awful Pirelli P6000 off the front and replacing with some Michelin Energy, my fuel economy has gone up considerably.

Also make sure you get the right tyres.

 

After taking my awful Pirelli P6000 off the front and replacing with some Michelin Energy, my fuel economy has gone up considerably.

 

Is it a bit quieter now too?

If you're going to go for the 1.9TDI, then make sure to avoid the engine code BXE. Loads of destroyed engines due to conrod failure and apparent oil pump issues as they hit not very high mileage figures. It looks as though VW made a special batch of cheap engine components for the BXE engine. Overall, I'd still go for a BKD engined 2.0ltr TDI.

Is it a bit quieter now too?

 

Yes, much quieter.

I still have P6000 on the rear, but I'm hoping to replace them soon.

If you're going to go for the 1.9TDI, then make sure to avoid the engine code BXE. Loads of destroyed engines due to conrod failure and apparent oil pump issues as they hit not very high mileage figures. It looks as though VW made a special batch of cheap engine components for the BXE engine. Overall, I'd still go for a BKD engined 2.0ltr TDI.

Always makes me laugh when I read statements like the above, there have been a few reported con rod failures on BXE Engines, But when you actually google the topic the dozen or so reports span some 4+ years now, Lets remember 2 things, 1. The BXE Engine was produced in huge volumes across the VAG range for several years so failures are to be expected, 2. Who knows how people treat there engines ( Thrashing them from cold etc ) so reports like these hold no concerns for me.

Yep. my mothers car was one of them, so I have a little more experience than many of how they can fail...