Motorists have suspected for a long time that speed cameras have been as much about raising revenue as road safety but this must confirms things ?

 

"Turning on M1 speed cameras permanently and having sponsored uniforms and cars could help bolster a cash-strapped force's coffers, a police and crime commissioner has said."

 

"He told the committee that unless the force's grant funding was "realigned to the reality of the county's policing challenges" he would have to use his powers to permanently turn on the cameras between junctions 10 and 13, one of the busiest stretches of the M1 motorway."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-34719997

They will have to bolster their money from somewhere due to the idiots in power cutting the funds for them. The money Should be split Between the police, fire and NHS.

Do speed, don't get fined!

What's your problem with that?

There isn't enough traffic cops to jump out from behalf nd a bush anymore with a laser gun. All the cameras are sign posted and get apps on your phone to sound an alarm as you get near.

Edited 4 November, 201510 yr by Tim1631

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They will have to bolster their money from somewhere due to the idiots in power cutting the funds for them. The money Should be split Between the police, fire and NHS.

Do speed, don't get fined!

What's your problem with that?

There isn't enough traffic cops to jump out from behalf nd a bush anymore with a laser gun. All the cameras are sign posted and get apps on your phone to sound an alarm as you get near.

REAL crime is being ignored at the expense of speeding because it brings in money.

The general public are going to turn on the police if this trend continues.

Olly Martins is a tool anyway.

I listened to the Bedfordshire police chiefs interview on R4 this morning and I thought his gripe sounded like a political one. He doesn't like the government and uses stunts like this to get his point across. Whilst I don't know the specifics of the calculations used to calculate the police settlements moving forward, the fact that some forces will see an increase from current levels suggest that they are currently more under resourced than Bedfordshire where the settlement is set to be the same as it is now.

 

I think his stance is ill conceived as well, as if they, say, lower the limit at which a ticket is triggered and/or leave cameras on 24 hours on the M1, the likely public outcry will be against the police and not the government. It also diminishes the claim that speed cameras are to reduce accidents and not to raise revenue and keeping the public 'on board' on issues like this is vital for public confidence in policing.

They will have to bolster their money from somewhere due to the idiots in power cutting the funds for them. The money Should be split Between the police, fire and NHS.

Do speed, don't get fined!

What's your problem with that?

There isn't enough traffic cops to jump out from behalf nd a bush anymore with a laser gun. All the cameras are sign posted and get apps on your phone to sound an alarm as you get near.

 

For me it's all do to with the road conditions.

 

Is there anything wrong with doing 80 on a motorway at 3am in the morning, where nothing else is about? 

 

Is it wrong, when it is a clear sunny day? It's all to do with how you driving. 

 

Speed doesn't kill, it's dangerous driving which is the main factor.

Motorists have suspected for a long time that speed cameras have been as much about raising revenue as road safety but this must confirms things ?

 

"Turning on M1 speed cameras permanently and having sponsored uniforms and cars could help bolster a cash-strapped force's coffers, a police and crime commissioner has said."

 

"He told the committee that unless the force's grant funding was "realigned to the reality of the county's policing challenges" he would have to use his powers to permanently turn on the cameras between junctions 10 and 13, one of the busiest stretches of the M1 motorway."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-34719997

 

This seems a strange thing to say, given that the fines and fixed penalty income from cameras goes direct to the exchequer rather than the police authority.  I'm sure that the Old Etonians will be very grateful for the contributions!

For me it's all do to with the road conditions.

 

Is there anything wrong with doing 80 on a motorway at 3am in the morning, where nothing else is about? 

 

Is it wrong, when it is a clear sunny day? It's all to do with how you driving. 

 

Speed doesn't kill, it's dangerous driving which is the main factor.

 

Tend to agree, it's inappropriate speed that kills.

Everyone who's for speed cameras says "Speed Kills". NO IT DOESN'T!

 

If speed killed then you wouldn't be able to drive, fly, catch a train etc, it's the impact that kills, NOT the speed!

 

If you step in front of a 44 tonne artic doing 50 mph you can only expect to be turned into a mulch, in fact it can be doing 30 in a 30 zone and you'll still get killed because of the weight and impact. The human body is a bag of water and hardened calcium and other minerals, not some carbon steel thing that can take clouts from large objects at speed!

 

Hit it hard and it explodes as Auric and I will unfortunately have to attest to.

This is an unashamed blackmail attempt to try and force the Government's hand to ensure the Force budget is improved.  This is nothing to do with road safety but then who ever believed that speed cameras were about road safety anyway?  Average speed cameras being the worst for this in that they make drivers pay more attention to the speedo rather than what is going on outside the vehicle.

 

Police budgets have been cut to the bone and I really don't see how they can maintain the pathetic level of service that they do now let alone want to worry about how bad it will get before someone in power realises enough is enough.  By that time it will be too late.

 

I was still under the impression that all fines go to Central Government and not even local authorities.

This seems a strange thing to say, given that the fines and fixed penalty income from cameras goes direct to the exchequer rather than the police authority. I'm sure that the Old Etonians will be very grateful for the contributions!

But speed awareness money goes straight to the force

Hence the push to lower limits to catch more drivers.

Ah, but get points or attend an 'awareness course' and the good burgers who 'own' the training course are invariably ACPO members.

Swindon Borough Council got rid of their Speed Camera's about 10 years ago now, and there has been no rise in Accidents. They've actually fallen. 

Swindon Borough Council got rid of their Speed Camera's about 10 years ago now, and there has been no rise in Accidents. They've actually fallen. 

They did that in /somerset too but now they have started to turn some of them on in certain places.

I was still under the impression that all fines go to Central Government and not even local authorities.

I thought that certain councils had to pay for the right to turn cameras off in their areas or they had to find the money that they wouldn't generate through speeding fines.

I thought that certain councils had to pay for the right to turn cameras off in their areas or they had to find the money that they wouldn't generate through speeding fines.

No they were turned off in several areas to save money the police charged safety partnerships to run them

Imagine the scene. McDonalds (for example) sponsoring Police uniforms. And a bit of a ruck kicks off at the local drive through where corsaboi.com are having a cruise night and burnout competition. McDonalds manager gets on the phone and says "Right, we pay a good wedge of cash for your boys to wear our name, get them over here right now and sort this lot out!"

 

Was listening to the Jeremy Vine show today, and the Bedford PCC was spouting about how they had the worst figures for crime in the country (or some such spiel), and I was just expecting Jeremy Kyle Vine to stop him and say something like "Well, if your crime figures are so bad you're not doing a very good job, are you? Why should we pay you more?".

Motorists have suspected for a long time that speed cameras have been as much about raising revenue as road safety but this must confirms things ?

 

"Turning on M1 speed cameras permanently and having sponsored uniforms and cars could help bolster a cash-strapped force's coffers, a police and crime commissioner has said."

 

"He told the committee that unless the force's grant funding was "realigned to the reality of the county's policing challenges" he would have to use his powers to permanently turn on the cameras between junctions 10 and 13, one of the busiest stretches of the M1 motorway."

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-34719997

 

Erm, doesn't that prove that they *haven't* been used just as money raising kit, but may be in future.

Imagine the scene. McDonalds (for example) sponsoring Police uniforms. And a bit of a ruck kicks off at the local drive through where corsaboi.com are having a cruise night and burnout competition. McDonalds manager gets on the phone and says "Right, we pay a good wedge of cash for your boys to wear our name, get them over here right now and sort this lot out!"

Was listening to the Jeremy Vine show today, and the Bedford PCC was spouting about how they had the worst figures for crime in the country (or some such spiel), and I was just expecting Jeremy Kyle Vine to stop him and say something like "Well, if your crime figures are so bad you're not doing a very good job, are you? Why should we pay you more?".

Remember speeding also counts as crime detection and solving figures so any on a speeding crusade can also look like the dogs danglys in the next stats

Is there anything wrong with doing 80 on a motorway at 3am in the morning, where nothing else is about?

Apart from it being illegal? Remember, you don't have a right to drive.

For the record, I think some speed limits should be raised, and some should be lowered (ie all rounds passing schools should be 20mph). But as long as it stays at 70 then yes there is something wrong with it, even if the road is clear.

I, like many using the M1 through Bedfordshire,  tend to use the 10% speedometer plus additional 2% tyre diameter tolerance and therefore anticipating that Speed Cameras just about anywhere tended to be set at the nominal speed limit plus 10% plus either 2, 3 or 4 mph and this Beds PCC guy is saying that he want to move to a 71 mph triggering of the camera rather than a genuine 79 mph which is the more normal minimum trigger speed and and 81 mph a oft used trigger speed (So I have found when doing multi-disciplinary road exercise with Dept Trans, Police etc).

 

Since the analogue speedo (and even my digital one on the motorbike!) usually over reads by about 5% and I  assume the Satnav is more accurate, hopefully within the 1% sort of zone would people feel confident about driving at a cruise set satnav 70 mph or set it down to 69 mph or even lower if Beds do what they threaten?  (probably 72 mph or so still indicated on the speedometer).  Actually I tend to drive quicker on the A421 between MK and Cambs which is a brilliant new road and usually good for indicated 80 mph travelling but that behavior may have change in the light of the above.  The interesting, so far un-spoke aspect would be that central government would loose out on several millions I reckon as motorists travelling at geniune 68 mph rather than 78 mph would probably mean about a quarter less fuel being used which would harm them by millions of pounds meaning fuel stations north and south of the zone would sell less.  

 

The near 100% support the police, and arm forces, have traditional given a Conservative government, must be severely shaken as the cuts they are forcing through in these and most areas of public service are a new paradigm.

Erm, doesn't that prove that they *haven't* been used just as money raising kit, but may be in future.

 

My original comment was referring to speed cameras in general rather than M-way cameras in particular. Although there are now other managed M-ways operating cameras 24-7 the police have not come out and said it is purely for fund raising as in this case. :sun:  

My issue has been more with what way do I accurately know what speed I am doing?

 

General discussions previosuly on ukpoliceonline is of course that the satnav is https://www.ukpoliceonline.co.uk/index.php?/topic/32965-speedometer-vs-satnav/

 

It is about time car manufacturers (and bikes) produce an accurate figure for car drivers.  I will be a little more careful at sticking to the satnav shown speed against the shown speed limit and rejoice in paying less tax on the less fuel I am using.  More audio-video conferences, less travelling perhaps.

My issue has been more with what way do I accurately know what speed I am doing?

That's easy, the indicated speed shown on your speedometer is slower than your true speed, so at an indicated 30mph your speed is probably 28-29 mph. If you drive to the indicated speed you will always be under the speed limit and you won't get a ticket.