Today is the day when I either sign up for a Yeti (with Simpsons Skoda PCP), or keep looking around and make do with my 1.9 TDI Fabia for a while longer.

 

I'm pretty sure I'm never going to get a better deal but have some reservations about the 1.2 TSI engine.... thoughts?

Today is the day when I either sign up for a Yeti (with Simpsons Skoda PCP), or keep looking around and make do with my 1.9 TDI Fabia for a while longer.

 

I'm pretty sure I'm never going to get a better deal but have some reservations about the 1.2 TSI engine.... thoughts?

You can NEVER go wrong waiting 'a while longer'.

I am pretty sure you will get a better deal as Skoda and VW, Seat, Audi get even more desperate to get UK First Registrations back Up,

in February pre New 16 Plate Regisatrations, before the End March and the first Quarter 2016, and before July 2016 and the first 6 months.

 

Many many offers to come as the Diesel Owners vehicles go in for 'the fix', and the bad publicity picks up again and New Car Sales continue to drop for the Volkswagen Group.

You can NEVER go wrong waiting 'a while longer'.

I've been tentatively looking since last March and, of the cars I've looked at, there's always some minor niggle that's stopped me getting a car that's the 'complete package'. The big problem with this is that when you wait long enough, there's going to be another car that's just about to be released. Fortunately I'm not in a rush lol!

but have some reservations about the 1.2 TSI engine.... thoughts?

 

I was browsing through a copy of Evo yesterday whilst getting a puncture fixed (it was that of Good Housekeeping!) and there was an article comparing the specs of one of the latest Porches with a 1967 Porsche 911. I'm going from memory but the 1967 model had around 130 bhp at 6,000 rpm, a top speed just over 120 mph and 0-60 in 8.3 seconds.

 

The spec. for my "classic" Yeti from the brochure is 105PS at 5,000 rpm (I beleive PS is near enough same as bhp for most purposes), a top speed of 109 mph and 0-62 in 11.8 seconds. My point is that although today's 1.2 litre Yeti wouldn't have been able to keep up with a 911 in 1967, it would still have been seen as something pretty special performance-wise - and let's see you get half a dozen wooden pallets in the back of a 911. 

 

If you browse through the various posts on this forum I think yuou will struggle to find any 1.2 owners complaining that they are lacking power under normal driving conditions, which should tell you something. I've had mine nearly 3 years, regularly carry four adults and two dogs (and on occasion all our holiday luggage) and never had casue to regret not going for a bigger engine/more power.

I was browsing through a copy of Evo yesterday whilst getting a puncture fixed (it was that of Good Housekeeping!) and there was an article comparing the specs of one of the latest Porches with a 1967 Porsche 911. I'm going from memory but the 1967 model had around 130 bhp at 6,000 rpm, a top speed just over 120 mph and 0-60 in 8.3 seconds.

 

The spec. for my "classic" Yeti from the brochure is 105PS at 5,000 rpm (I beleive PS is near enough same as bhp for most purposes), a top speed of 109 mph and 0-62 in 11.8 seconds. My point is that although today's 1.2 litre Yeti wouldn't have been able to keep up with a 911 in 1967, it would still have been seen as something pretty special performance-wise - and let's see you get half a dozen wooden pallets in the back of a 911. 

 

If you browse through the various posts on this forum I think yuou will struggle to find any 1.2 owners complaining that they are lacking power under normal driving conditions, which should tell you something. I've had mine nearly 3 years, regularly carry four adults and two dogs (and on occasion all our holiday luggage) and never had casue to regret not going for a bigger engine/more power.

What the fuel economy like for you?

About the same as a Porsche 911?

I'm not heavy footed and generally can avoid driving in congested traffic. I was getting 39mpg but since changing tyres (to Michelin Cross Climate, which I'm very pleased with in the dry and wet but little chance of trying in snow down on the South Coast) I've consistently been getting 41-42mpg (genuine based on brim-to-brim fills since September last year).

Well I've still not committed, the fuel economy is really making it difficult. My TDI does around 50mpg but that's all short bursts as my commute is only 10 miles each way. Would the 2 litre Yeti be troublesome for me? I've read about the problems with the filters....

Well I've still not committed, the fuel economy is really making it difficult. My TDI does around 50mpg but that's all short bursts as my commute is only 10 miles each way. Would the 2 litre Yeti be troublesome for me? I've read about the problems with the filters....

How important is economy to you?.

If it's a priority, you might struggle to get 40 on those trips.

It's heavy and not aerodynamic either so at top motorway speeds on longer trips - mid/low 40s.

I guess it's a bit of a trade off, for the price and the kit you get with the Yeti there isn't really much that compares. Might just bore the bullet and go for the petrol.

Well I've still not committed, the fuel economy is really making it difficult. My TDI does around 50mpg but that's all short bursts as my commute is only 10 miles each way. Would the 2 litre Yeti be troublesome for me? I've read about the problems with the filters....

Your 10 mile commute is long enough that a diesel will get up to normal operating temperature so the DPF and EGR valve shouldn't be an issue.

 

My 2.0 Tdi certainly seems to warm up quicker than previous cars I've had with a similar engine - probably something to do with Euro 6?

 

But you've then got the usual dilemma of whether the extra mpg warrants the extra initial expense of the diesel over the petrol for the annual mileage that you do. Most folks tend to forget the extra cost up front and only think about how much they are putting in the tank! In that vein, my annual mileage means I should have really gone for a petrol but I wanted a diesel, so that's what I got!

If it's any help, a lot of my mileage is local - for example being semi-retired I spend the mornings taking my dogs out to the local woods which is 5 miles each way and on colder days the engine is barely warmed up before I stop. Add in local shopping trips and such like and I'd guess at least 50% of my trips are 5 miles or less and a lot of the remainder will be 15 miles or less each way and I get 40mpg filling brim to brim but  that's on local roads (so maximum speed usually 60mph or less) and only limited running in congested traffic. Ten miles each way should help mpg (I notice maxi-dot creeping up well into the upper 40 on longer runs) but 70+ on a motorway will be thirsty.

 

Agree with VAGCF, you need think about total cost of ownership not just mpg measured at the pumps. Would you need to factor in Adblue and if so have you looked at the cost of that?

Agree with VAGCF, you need think about total cost of ownership not just mpg measured at the pumps. Would you need to factor in Adblue and if so have you looked at the cost of that?

AdBlue is really trivial, ~1% of fuel cost.

I wasn't too familiar with adblue so I've read up a bit. It doesn't seem too big a deal really.

If AdBlue reduces the work the EGR valve has to do, to me it's a positive as long as that injection system doesn't introduce another reliability problem.

If it's any help, a lot of my mileage is local - for example being semi-retired I spend the mornings taking my dogs out to the local woods which is 5 miles each way and on colder days the engine is barely warmed up before I stop. Add in local shopping trips and such like and I'd guess at least 50% of my trips are 5 miles or less and a lot of the remainder will be 15 miles or less each way and I get 40mpg filling brim to brim but  that's on local roads (so maximum speed usually 60mph or less) and only limited running in congested traffic. Ten miles each way should help mpg (I notice maxi-dot creeping up well into the upper 40 on longer runs) but 70+ on a motorway will be thirsty.

 

Agree with VAGCF, you need think about total cost of ownership not just mpg measured at the pumps. Would you need to factor in Adblue and if so have you looked at the cost of that?

Your type of driving is absolutely suited to a petrol engine, unless you are wedded to the characteristics of a diesel then it's a no-brainer, go for the petrol version. Significantly cheaper to buy, quieter and less complex engineering and no long term suspect complex emission equipment. I went from a 2.0 Tdi Octavia to a 1.2 Tsi Yeti (both DSG) and have never regretted it, soon got used to the different driving style and enjoyed the quieter ride. Diesels are fine if you are towing and need the torque or doing regular long motorway drives otherwise modern petrol engines are the best choice.

Weight over the front wheels when towing from stationary uphill is a significant plus for diesels.

Paul52, on 25 Jan 2016 - 15:48, said:

If it's any help, a lot of my mileage is local - for example being semi-retired I spend the mornings taking my dogs out to the local woods which is 5 miles each way and on colder days the engine is barely warmed up before I stop. Add in local shopping trips and such like and I'd guess at least 50% of my trips are 5 miles or less and a lot of the remainder will be 15 miles or less each way and I get 40mpg filling brim to brim but  that's on local roads (so maximum speed usually 60mph or less) and only limited running in congested traffic. Ten miles each way should help mpg (I notice maxi-dot creeping up well into the upper 40 on longer runs) but 70+ on a motorway will be thirsty.

 

Agree with VAGCF, you need think about total cost of ownership not just mpg measured at the pumps. Would you need to factor in Adblue and if so have you looked at the cost of that?

Your type of driving is absolutely suited to a petrol engine, unless you are wedded to the characteristics of a diesel then it's a no-brainer, go for the petrol version. Significantly cheaper to buy, quieter and less complex engineering and no long term suspect complex emission equipment. I went from a 2.0 Tdi Octavia to a 1.2 Tsi Yeti (both DSG) and have never regretted it, soon got used to the different driving style and enjoyed the quieter ride. Diesels are fine if you are towing and need the torque or doing regular long motorway drives otherwise modern petrol engines are the best choice.

 

Err, Paul isn't the one asking the question!

Today is the day when I either sign up for a Yeti (with Simpsons Skoda PCP), or keep looking around and make do with my 1.9 TDI Fabia for a while longer.

 

I'm pretty sure I'm never going to get a better deal but have some reservations about the 1.2 TSI engine.... thoughts?

Tsuebo

I can't imagine how a Mk1 VRS owner would ever consider petrol again! 

My 3 were fantastic - I wish I had kept my final 'Special Edition' one - perhap's a future collectors item?

I choose a Greenline Yeti - with a Racechip tuning box it had a similar 130bhp - and consumption in the 50's.  The Greenline's present 2.0TDI equivalent promises the same.

I sold the Greenline after 2 years - total £2700 depreciation - result!

 

Paul52, on 25 Jan 2016 - 15:48, said:

Your type of driving is absolutely suited to a petrol engine, unless you are wedded to the characteristics of a diesel then it's a no-brainer, go for the petrol version. Significantly cheaper to buy, quieter and less complex engineering and no long term suspect complex emission equipment. I went from a 2.0 Tdi Octavia to a 1.2 Tsi Yeti (both DSG) and have never regretted it, soon got used to the different driving style and enjoyed the quieter ride. Diesels are fine if you are towing and need the torque or doing regular long motorway drives otherwise modern petrol engines are the best choice.

 

Err, Paul isn't the one asking the question!

 

Whoops - sorry. Comments still relevant for Tsuebo however.