Probably for the same reason that grandad octy drivers are so snobbish

Actually Octys are far more versatile than Furbys.

I'm thinking of getting one next, so when I'm skint, I can stick a yellow light on the roof and make a few quid on the side, picking up 'clubbing' chavsters at the weekend!

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John.

Why does it always get down to this :(

The Octy is bigger, and as standard doesnt handle as well round corners, but depending on version etc they are great value.

The Fabia is a super-mini, it's never going to be big enough if you need an Octy. It handles better than the Octy as standard in vRS form. Not trashed around the non-vRS Fabias but they'll probably still go round corners fairly well. Again great value, reliable, just like the Octavia.

The Saxo is an excellent package in it's own right IMHO, but the priorities are different for the VTS version, mainly it's a fun car to drive, reliability may be worse. Similar stuff could be said about the Clio.

Seriously I've not seen any really bad cars for a very long time, there are some bad French cars out there for sure, but Skoda has made a fair few lemons too, nothing unusual. The quality control appears to be more consistent with Skoda but that's life

A properly tuned VTS should be all over a Fabia vRS, even a tuned-up one. It probably weighs 1/3rd less for a start. And yes, it's a petrol so it has that rev range thing, which eventually will win when you get to 3 digits

Keep it nice people!

I owned to saxo VTS and to be honest both were carp reliabity wise!

Had in on the track and they are very quick cars' date=' if citroen made them so they dont fall apart then they would be real corkers![/quote']

But they DO fall apart and they are real stinkers, not corkers. Citreon, Citroen, if this, if that, blah..blah...blah...

If I may stick my two penneth in. To answer the original question, I would say it will be a very close run thing, in a straight line. In serious twisties, the VTS will be way ahead of a standard Fabia. Much lighter, much more agile, much less tendancy to go straight on. And I dont care what anyone says, the Saxo Vts is a quick car. Yes, it falls apart. But like ANY performance Citroen, you have to go a long way to find a more rewarding drive on a B road. If it gets as far as the B road of course.

Yeah but when all the bits start flying off at speed, not so good... :P

the 106 is the same thing as the saxo yes?

i owned one for over two years and it didn't fall apart all the time.

Wrong forum for this sort of discussion!

Comparing standard cars, the Saxo is slightly faster than the vRS in a straight line - I had a go at one, and it pulled slightly ahead, we're talking in the region of 14.8 seconds for the Saxo and 16.6 seconds for the Fabia from 60-100 based on figues I've seen. When the Saxo hit 100 the Fabia would still be doing 97 or so.

They handle a lot better too but the Fabia has lots of shove out of the corners, so trust me when i say in *some* situations its closer than you might realise. If we're talking high speed corners though, forget about it.

*scratches head*

I'm confused here. I've been told (maybe to be taken with a pinch of salt) from the stealer that the fabia vRS is quicker 50-70 than a porsche boxster.

Using logic, a 1.6l 120bhp saxo is faster than a 'sports' car?

Also, someone said that a modded vts would be faster than a modded vRS? (lets say you spend

*scratches head*

I'm confused here. I've been told (maybe to be taken with a pinch of salt) from the stealer that the fabia vRS is quicker 50-70 than a porsche boxster.

Not sure that's true but the in-gear times are awesome - that is in a given gear though - probably 5th. If the Boxter/Saxo/Whatever is still in 2nd at the time those in-gear times become academic.

A good driver in a quickish car will always beat a bad driver in a fast car unless it's just a straight run.

You've bought the better car IMHO, who cares which does 50-70 quickest.

And I bet he's never seen the right side of 50mpg

But they DO fall apart and they are real stinkers, not corkers. Citreon, Citroen, if this, if that, blah..blah...blah...

So does that mean TVR's are "crap" too? :confused:

Chris

So does that mean TVR's are "crap" too? :confused:

Chris

TVRs tend to break down as a result of how they're used - one in daily use will probably be pretty reliable.

I accept they're made of Blackpool Rock & Kiss Me Quick hats though, not proper materials

I accept they're made of Blackpool Rock & Kiss Me Quick hats though' date=' not proper materials [/quote']

Ahem...... I think you'll find that TVR's are made of more "propper" materials than your Skoda. How much Carbon Fibre and titanium is there on a Skoda? I dont mean bits from the Ripspeed counter either.

On the Citroen subject, whats the big deal with "in-gear" acceleration ? Surely thats why most have at least 5 ? so you can change! My Integra had pretty poor in-gear acceleration but it was still a drn sight quicker A to B than An Octavia or Fabia.

This thread should be closed by now. It's now comparing the Saxo to a TVR !! One is a true temperamental sports car and the other one IS NOT. I simply made the point that of the 2 Saxo VTS cars that I've been in (and before you fans go off on one, yeah, they are quick) as an overall car they're rubbish.

Ahem...... I think you'll find that TVR's are made of more "propper" materials than your Skoda. How much Carbon Fibre and titanium is there on a Skoda?

As a rule of thumb, the bit means it's a joke.

In the same way citroens are made from croissants and Fiats from pasta.

Actually, Fiats ARE made from pasta!

Ahem...... I think you'll find that TVR's are made of more "propper" materials than your Skoda. How much Carbon Fibre and titanium is there on a Skoda? I dont mean bits from the Ripspeed counter either.

On the Citroen subject' date=' whats the big deal with "in-gear" acceleration ? Surely thats why most have at least 5 ? so you can change! My Integra ham pretty poor in-gear acceleration but it was still a drn sight quicker A to B than An Octavia or Fabia.[/quote']

Depends who's driving it mate. I'll bet that Colin Mcrae would leave any of us for dead in, dare I say, a Mini Cooper.

Sorry, it just gets my goat when people say TVR's are all unreliable - its a stereotypical comment from someone who has never owned one.

EDIT: I've never had one myself but my father has had a Griff for 7 years with no majoy problems and 40k miles under it's belt

Re the porsche boxster and 50-70 times.

Thats where the Fabia is strongest, 50-70.... 6.4 seconds in 5th gear. However, you can only really drop one more gear in the Fabia, well you can use third but its a bit wheezy by then. The Porsche can probably use 3rd, or even 2nd.

Diesel owners forget that their cars are often geared longer to take advantage of the increased torque. Given that, the torque at the wheels often ends up being about the same in a given gear...

Sorry' date=' it just gets my goat when people say TVR's are all unreliable - its a stereotypical comment from someone who has never owned one.

EDIT: I've never had one myself but my father has had a Griff for 7 years with no majoy problems and 40k miles under it's belt[/quote']

If you look at my post I stated that in the majority of cases they are unreliable because of how they're used and that under daily use they're pretty good - meaning that those kept idle for 3 months at a time then thrashed round a track are likely to suffer problems.

So calm down, re-read and chill out.

Grrr grrrr...... rant, rant

the 106 is the same thing as the saxo yes?

i owned one for over two years and it didn't fall apart all the time.

the 106 was always the better car to be honest! I love the 106 it's a really good car, and they are but together well.

Like I said the VTS is a quick car and handle well which was it's only saving grace in the 18 month that I had it. That was the only reason I kept it along as I did becuase when it work it was the best fun I've ever had!

:thumbdwn: this thread is very poor................

:thumbdwn: this thread is very poor................

Yes.

Yes.

However it seems the quality of posts is improving

However it seems the quality of posts is improving

Indeed.