Hi,looking to replace my mondeo with an octavia 4x4 estate or scout ,with a budget of 5k.

What engine would you guys prefer and also what sort of mileage with that budget.

I don't need it for off road work but go fishing every weekend and some of the places I get to

I need that bit more ground clearance.

Are there any pitfalls I need to look out for.I'm not that mechanically minded so any advice and

pointers will be greatly appreciated.

cheers,

John.

How many miles do you do?

 

The 1.9 TDI 4x4 doesn't have a DPF unlike the 2.0 TDI in the 4x4 and Scout, so is a worthwhile consideration.

 

For £5k you should be able to get a fairly decent one.

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by softscoop

Hi Sam,

thanks for the reply,I do anywhere between 100 and 300 miles per week.

Are the DPF systems prone to failure?

I like the look of the Scout but that's not really relevant it's mainly load space

and reliability I'm looking for so would consider the 4x4 estate.

Cars I've seen advertised are between 90/130k mileage,are they worth 

considering or should i hang back and raise a bit more cash for something

with a bit less on the clock ?

Many thanks,

John.

there's very little difference between the 4x4 and Scout in terms of trim if you have the rough road package on the 4x4.  We went for 4x4 as we didn't want the extra bits of plastic trim etc. and didn't need the towing stability function.  Pretty much everything else is the same.

 

Re DPF's - of you are looking at an older car beware the 2.0 PD engines were never itended to have a DPF although they were fitted.  They therefore invariably fail (ours did!) so if that is a concern go 1.9.

I'm looking for something around 2007.

Are all Scouts fitted with DPFand what is main cause of  failure ?

Cheers

John.

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by johncoppo

I'm looking for something around 2007.

Are all Scouts fitted with DPFand what is main cause of  failure ?

Cheers

John.

 

Yes - all 2.0 diesel 4x4's, Scouts and Vrs have a dpf.  They fail as they a effectively a  disposable filter - they  catch the particulates from the exhaust and incinerate them but, over time, the dpf fills up with ash.  The solution is replacement or removal and a re-map but both a relatively expensive and some people will point out the potential legal issues associated with removal.  Newer Common Rail (CR) cars are less prone to failure and blockage as they were designed to have DPF's from the outset.

 

A lot of the PD engines with DPF's were also fitted with American-made sensors that are also prone to failure but it can be hard to determine whether the sensor has failed.

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by skomaz

The only engine with real DPF issues was the PD170 fitted to the vRS.

 

The 8V SOHC PD140 is much more friendly to it's DPF. There have been very few failures and there are some high mileage Scout's out there now, and the earlier ones (like mine) are approaching the ten year old mark now.

 

One of the biggest reasons for buying the Scout was aesthetics, I always thought the Octavia looked a bit bland, the only two exceptions being the Scout and the vRS. There is something about the wheel arch extensions, silver bumper inserts, bigger wheels and chunkier higher profile tyres that makes it really stand out.

 

If appearance doesn't mean a jot then the more basic 4x4 is cheaper, both the 4x4 and the Scout hold their values very well, but the Scout is more desirable due to the improved specification and chunky off-road looks.

 

Try to find one that has been on fixed service intervals, this means it has had fresh oil once or year or every 10,000 miles (whichever was reached first). The ones that have been on variable (longlife) servicing will have gone up to 20,000 miles or 2 years between oil changes - too long in my opinion. The engine oil is the life blood of the engine and turbo.

 

The PD engines are particularly sensitive to the condition of the oil, the PD140 in the Scout / 4x4 even more so (it has a unique version of the 2.0 PD engine, it is an 8V SOHC rather than the 16V DOHC unit fitted to the regular models). As a result infrequent oil changes can see issues with the cams on older / high mileage engines.

 

Also fresh oil maximises the chances of the turbo and DPF being healthy too.

 

Find one with refurbed alloy wheels, the Proteus design alloy (polished / diamond cut) will be heavily corroded by now it they haven't already been fixed.

 

Also, ensure the Haldex Gen 2 (4x4 system) has had fresh oil at 40,000 miles (or 3 years on the facelift model with Gen 4 Haldex). It is nearly always overlooked / forgotten about, even if it has a main dealer service history.

 

Anything prior to 2010 needs a cambelt every 4 years (regardless of mileage, beyond 2010 it is 5 years) so check this has been done, if not take £400 off the screen price and get it done the day you pick the car up.

 

Other than that everything else is pretty much standard MkII Octavia, so immerse yourself in this forum!

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by silver1011

 

The 8V SOHC PD140 is much more friendly to it's DPF. There have been very few failures and there are some high mileage Scout's out there now, and the earlier ones (like mine) are approaching the ten year old mark now.

 

He he - I'm the exception to the rule again then!  

I remember yours packing up. What age / mileage were you on at the time?

You can buy my 4x4 if you like... its  an 09 2.0 135k, the DPF has been removed and basic remap done so now giving upto 60mpg on a good motorway at 65/70 ish and around 40 around town. I think it might need a clutch soon due to my mrs saying it shakes but I cannot really feel it so never really concerned me that much and the bite point is low down so I don't think its worn, but I'm not that technical however mine is cheap enough to spend that kind of money on, looking at 3k bottom line. East Bristol based.

 

Whatever you decide best of luck and hope you enjoy the Skoda experience the Octavia is a great tool, firm footed, quick, economical, great value , I'm looking for a 4x4 estate Superb but they are hard to find....

I remember yours packing up. What age / mileage were you on at the time?

 

Just checked - March 2012 so just 5 years and under 35,000 miles but it was after my wife was made redundant and it started doing the school run...   No problems since the visit to Shark though (apart from occasional smokeyness)  

That is about the same age / mileage that the DPF failed on my vRS.

 

Annoyingly the vRS was the one doing higher mileage, the Scout on the other hand does the school run like yours. At 60,000 miles and 8 years old all is well so far, touch wood!

Edited 3 February, 201610 yr by silver1011

That is about the same age / mileage that the DPF failed on my vRS.

 

Annoyingly the vRS was the one doing higher mileage, the Scout on the other hand does the school run like yours. At 60,000 miles and 8 years old all is well so far, touch wood!

 

jinx!

That is about the same age / mileage that the DPF failed on my vRS.

 

Annoyingly the vRS was the one doing higher mileage, the Scout on the other hand does the school run like yours. At 60,000 miles and 8 years old all is well so far, touch wood!

Am I right in thinking then that these don't like short runs.As my work run is only 10 miles each way should I

consider looking for something else?

I think the model I would go for, out of the ones you are looking at is a 2010 facelift 1.9 PD 4x4. 2010 is the only year you got the 1.9 in the facelift. As above it has no DPF, but the advantages of the newer Haldex system and a few other upgrades. Scouts attract a premium pretty much just for the plastic cladding it seems in my experience.

 

Edit: As long as it does not have the BXE code engine as that is a piece of crap (it throws conrods out of the side of the block).

Edited 4 February, 201610 yr by Huskoda

A 2010 will be a BXE engine, but I'd hardly say it's a piece of crap.

 

Yes there are plenty of posts on the internet about it happening, but think about how many of those engines were sold? I'd still buy a BXE.

 

Also, here's a 2009 facelift 1.9 4x4

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-09-REG-SKODA-OCTAVIA-1-9TDI-PD-4x4-FOUR-WHEEL-DRIVE-ESTATE-SKODA-S-H-/141892932466?hash=item21097a5372:g:Y7AAAOSwxN5WWHYj

Edited 4 February, 201610 yr by softscoop

 

 

Also, here's a 2009 facelift 1.9 4x4

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2009-09-REG-SKODA-OCTAVIA-1-9TDI-PD-4x4-FOUR-WHEEL-DRIVE-ESTATE-SKODA-S-H-/141892932466?hash=item21097a5372:g:Y7AAAOSwxN5WWHYj

 

Had a look at that but,it wouldn't last 2 minutes where i live ,too many red's fans,(liverpool and united).

 

Found these,first one has  main dealer/independent history

 

http://www.motors.co.uk/car-40109968/sl

 

Second one has full main dealer history with cambelt and has the BMM engine.

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/272119926229?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

 

Decisions decisions, worse than being a kid in a sweet shop

The silver Scout has two options I wish I'd specced on mine;bi-xenon and Maxidot.

The alloys are the standard spec polished Proteus alloys, and from what I can see some, if not all of them, are beginning to delaminate. This is common and has happened to both my sets (Skoda refused to replace my second set). I paid approx £50 per wheel to be powder coated.

The cambelt should be changed every 4 years (not sure on mileage limit) so factor that in. It's also worth replacing the water pump at the same time (Skoda charge £350 Cambelt, £450 Cambelt and waterpump).

I believe the pre-FL Scout is Gen2 Haldex and requires a Haldex oil service, and I believe there is a filter replacement with Gen2 (my Scout is Gen4 and the Haldex oil (no filter) is replaced every 3 years or 37k so I've been told by my dealer). My first Haldex oil service cost me £100, my most recent (last month) cost £65. same service, same dealer. Go figure!

Due to the tow bar, I'd get someone mechanically minded to check out the suspension. The suspension on my car at least is a weak point. Initially part of the problem was me;"Speed humps? I don't see no speedhumps!" Now I am a lot more methodical when driving on rough surfaces.

Both of the Scouts you linked have the BMM engine.

 

The lights on the silver Scout are xenon, not bi-xenon, and it looks like it is suffering from the weak rear wiper motor. The alloys have already been refurbished (polished finish no longer present on the faces of the spokes) and by the look of it haven't been done very well as they are in need of a second refurb.

 

The front towing eye cover is missing too, the replacement will need painting. As mentioned above it does have the Maxidot and multifunction steering wheel too which was a nice option.

They're both overpriced imho. I paid £4750 a year ago for my 57 plate Scout with 120k. Was from a dealer and had fsh & a 6 month warranty.

Mine has xenons, mfsw & maxidot. I've added a Bolero (& Bluetooth) as I think it really lifts the interior (esp with the silver surround). All sourced on here of course!

Being the the complete mechanical novice that I am,I think I'll go for something

without the DPF,sounds like too much hassle for me.

A shame really as i stumbled across a really good looking scout(133k)on a 58/09 plate

for £4500 with a bit of warranty.

(Just wish i had a mate with some knowledge) Not that it would help with DPF issues!

 

Thanks for all the replies folks 

Don't let the DPF deter you from buying a good car.

 

If it isn't the DPF then it will be the turbo, EGR, DMF or something else equally complicated. Welcome to the world of modern cars.

Thanks for the positivity silver,greatly appreciated,however i need this next purchase to 

carry me through at least 3 years and without somebody to help look over a vehicle

then I need to simplify things as much as poss..

Thanks to every one who had some input and advice,I will be asking more questions

regardless of what Skoda i get 

.

After trawling through most if not all the car advertisements,I've narrowed my search down

to a choice between these 

 

http://www.jjautocentre.com/used-cars/skoda-octavia-2-0-tdi-pd-scout-5dr-croydon-2016010698638500

 

 

http://www.southbirminghammotors.co.uk/used-cars/skoda-octavia-2-0-tdi-pd-scout-5dr-birmingham-201506094164036

 

What would your choice be ?

first mistake is the first car will be 140 BHP not 170 unless its been remapped.