We must have a chat, 

i will lend you my car for a fortnight and put some miles on yours,

see if i can get that engine behaving its self.

I'll keep you posted - car has always run pukka (and continues to do so - touch wood...).

I've done 1,261 miles since 6 October (last service)!

Edited 11 February, 201610 yr by Brian69

Just a Stage 1 Remap and have fun.

The Latest MINI Cooper JCW 2.0 like Furbytoms is very nice, but with a Stage 1 CTHE you will leave them for dead.

I'd have to respectfully disagree George. Our JCW feels clearly in the next league up for performance next to Mrs Furbytoms Fabia. Stage 1 on the vRS is quite a poor upgrade imho adding only a measly 15bhp or thereabouts. The map might narrow the performance gap a little but there is no way it would leave an F56 JCW for dead. Would be nice/interesting to compare the two at Santapod at some point though. For a proper comparison you'd also need to match like with like I.e a mapped JCW. Think the F56 JCW will remap to near 300bhp with the minimum of fuss.

Performance in the twisties is another consideration. Even with our uprated suspension on the vRS it isn't remotely as confidence inspiring and planted as the Mini.

As much as I love Fabia vRS's the JCW makes for a far superior hot hatch for me. But then it should given the huge price differential between the two! Fabia wins for value :-)

It is simple, put one up against the other, i have.  

Cooper S JCW Auto 65 plate left for dead.  I do not lie about that.

 

PS

Mrs Furbytoms standard engine Estate is just that is it not, 

190ps or so, not anything over 205 ps is it?

Then it is a bit heavy, but so is the JCW Mini.

Edited 11 February, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

It is simple, put one up against the other, i have.

Cooper S JCW Auto 65 plate left for dead. I do not lie about that.

I'd be shocked at that. I've had a little play against our Fabia vRS (granted Mrs Furbytom driving, but even she is capable of mashing the throttle pedal in a straight line lol) and the JCW pulled a lot harder and easily outpaced it. I can't imagine for the life of me stage one in the fabia would reverse that result. The fabia would still be down on power. Would make it much closer though.

I drive both cars back to back every weekend and the JCW always feels quicker too. As I say, would need a drag strip and timing gear for a definitive answer :-)

PS

Mrs Furbytoms standard engine Estate is just that is it not,

190ps or so, not anything over 205 ps is it?

Then it is a bit heavy, but so is the JCW Mini.

Yeah it's 190bhp according to our local Rolling Road. I wouldn't bother adding a map and invalidating the warranty on it for the sake of 15bhp tbh.

The JCW is meant to be 231ps I think, but again like the fabia's I've heard people dyno'ing them at abit more than that stock.

There you are in the perfect position, just put them up against each other then, not back to back.

Feels like does not count for much really does it.

I can assure you, 'Left for Dead' and i had a go in each car.

If any Dealer lends a Mapped 65 Plate JCW then i would try that and expect to be left in its wake.

READ THE 'KIN CONTRACT!

 

In the event that you were to embark on a legal dispute it would almost certainly end up hinging on how a contract was worded and possibly whether the terms were unreasonable. If the contract says that "modifying" the engine invalidates the contract, attempting to prove that your modifications don't count might be a wee bit "challenging". I suspect that VAG know that some of the "faulty" engines were modified and/or abused - e.g. thrashed when cold.

 

Involving solicitors is quite likely to cost more than a new engine in terms of time, trouble and money.

There you are in the perfect position, just put them up against each other then, not back to back.

Feels like does not count for much really does it.

I can assure you, 'Left for Dead' and i had a go in each car.

If any Dealer lends a Mapped 65 Plate JCW then i would try that and expect to be left in its wake.

How it feels is more important to me than outright pace, especially on the public road :-)

Comes back to the old thing of Speed not necessarily equalling fun.

But as I said above we did have a versus run (on a private road lol). Maybe I just need to put a more aggressive driver than the Mrs behind the wheel of the vRS in the interests of fairness haha.

Hey Tom and George Crail is on at the 21st of this month if urs r game

Hey Tom and George Crail is on at the 21st of this month if urs r game

Hehe I'd love to but abit far from Cornwall :-(

I do not have a CTHE Stage 1 though, it was borrowed like the Mini was.

But i am sure one will be available at Crail.

(or Santa Pod.)

 

http://autoevolution.com/reviews/mini-john-cooper-works-review-review-2015.html

Edited 11 February, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

vxh26, 

read some more as well.  Re Modified Engines.  

Air Intake is Modified,

Exhaust is Modified,

 Engine Management Not Modified from standard,  'Engine Not Modified', ie the ENGINE

But right enough, the Intake and Exhaust not Factory standard.

Edited 11 February, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

Hehe I'd love to but abit far from Cornwall :-(

Shame! 

It looks to be a bit far even from Dunfermline!

My bets on the Mini JCW for sure. 

 

Throw a few corners in too... and the JCW should really shine. Having driven a JCW GP. i cant even imagine a Fabia keeping with it. I'll be honest.. 

 

Fabia's a budget hatch with an engine chucked in.. the JCW is designed to handle from the start. 

Until the JCW meets a MKI Fabia 2.0.

You know the story in the real world, 

if the faster car is not faster always as the slower car passes because from 30 -60 plus it goes quicker

then the faster better handling car is behind even when you get to bends, so unless it is that quicker to overtake it is behind, 

and still needs to be able to catch up out of corners.

 

Its like lots of quick cars, they need the speed not 0-62, but 30-60, 30-80 etc.

Some feel faster than they actually are. 

Embarrassing having a Hot Hatch that gets left for dead as the car in front out accelerates as you get to the NSL applies sign,

Or is caught in the wrong gear.

Any chance of this thread being used to discuss whether modifying a vRS is a good enough reason for Skoda to void the warranty and those who want to debate the comparative merits of the Mini JCW and the Skoda Fabia vRS going onto some other of the dozens of threads and posts!

Am not so sure as my standard vrs done 0-60 in 6.1 sec all day long at Santa Pod. Now it's mapped it has the same amount of torque. So I think it b close

vxh26, 

what difference does it make to you what is in this thread.?

 

Are you ready to buy one yet,

looking forward to hearing what you buy.

 

DO NOT PUT THINGS IN QUOTES THAT YOU WRITE WITH MY NAME ABOVE THEM TROLL.

AS IN POST # 44

 

That is not something i posted, those are your words.

Your wish.

Edited 11 February, 201610 yr by GoneOffskiroottoot

We will not accept people trying to falsify posts, if your are going to quote then at least use what the OP actually wrote and not insert your own words.

 

VXH26 please keep your posts on topic and without the personal elements aimed at other members.

It is simple, put one up against the other, i have.  

Cooper S JCW Auto 65 plate left for dead.  I do not lie about that.

 

PS

Mrs Furbytoms standard engine Estate is just that is it not, 

190ps or so, not anything over 205 ps is it?

Then it is a bit heavy, but so is the JCW Mini.

 

just to add i was lucky enough to do a trackway thanks to BMW in a new JCW mini.  It is in a different league to a fabia. 

can i ask why all these Engine oil use threads have an air of conspiracy theory feeling to them.  I'm not sure if its the wording used but they read to me like they get very bitter and almost as if a few people have "inside info" they are unwilling to share.  Few people who have read these posts who i know personally have said the same.  Its a bit like a joke that only a few understand.  Very confusing and very unlike other forums i frequent more actively.  anyone else noticed this????

Just to muddy the waters on the oil jet fix a little.... I've had them done, and they worked at first. 1L to 2-4000km became 1L to 5-10,000km (there was a scheduled service done soon after, and I can't be sure how much the overall level was down).

 

Now it's back to using 1L to 2-3000km. I'm hoping it's a temporary situation, either because the weather has been very hot for the last few months (up to 42C), or because the Quantum Longlife oil put in at the service is not up to Australian conditions, heat or otherwise. I haven't been driving any differently to normal during this time.

 

I might have to do another oil change, try something different. I've heard Shell Helix 5W/30 has been good for some people. Or maybe, gulp, 5W/40....

Edited 11 February, 201610 yr by OzFabia