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Nick P
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5 minutes ago, wyx087 said:

RHD start delivery in 2019, so December 2019, there are a few pre-orders need fulfilling first. So order today -> in 3 years time earliest.

 

I'll be driving new Leaf 40kWh by then, due to current Leaf is under 3 year PCP. The Tesla will replace the Skoda Octavia, which is owned outright so I've no problem waiting for a good second hand Model 3. (*touch wood* with less than 10k mileage all long distances in a diesel, I hope my Skoda can last 5 more years cheaply)

 

 

I've found charging EV to be an easy experience. Arrive home, plug it in, never have to think about range or refuelling. It only takes 5s to plug in.

 

Whereas with the diesel Skoda, I drive 60 miles a working day, Skoda can only do 450-500 miles in one tank. To reduce unnecessary trips to petrol station, I fill up when it's near empty. But I can't refill every 2 weeks on a set schedule, have to keep an eye and refuel on a random weekday, each time taking 10+mins to refuel.  So that's 10min for maximum 8 days of driving => average 1.25min per day. Whereas plugging in and unplugging only takes total 10s per day.

 

Remember to refuel a petrol/diesel, you have to include the time turning off your route into the petrol station, paying and time to re-join your route. Whereas with electric daily drive, you only need to plug-in at night, taking a few seconds.

No doubt a Skoda hybrid coming soon. As George said probably a sensible solution until EV really hitting the mark without Government subsidy propping up at tax payers expense. Better use of funds allocated to NHS / Healthcare in general.

 

 

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14 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

No doubt a Skoda hybrid coming soon. As George said probably a sensible solution until EV really hitting the mark without Government subsidy propping up at tax payers expense. Better use of funds allocated to NHS / Healthcare in general.

 

Hybrids are a cop-out, especially PH"E"V, where they are essentially a mild hybrid with a slightly bigger battery. It's the ICE I want to get rid of, it's just too inefficient and too costly to run. The only hybrid worth considering before going all battery are Range extended hybrids designed from ground up, unfortunately only Ampera and i3 REx available.

 

I do agree the money can be better spent on NHS. On the other hand, where are the pollution tax on combustion engines? If there are carbon tax on everything, EV have already been exceeding their mark. Current EV subsidy around the world only tries to balance that.

 

Model 3 is where EV will hit its mark for mass market. The new Leaf 40kWh and current Zoe 40kWh are already great cars for town driving and they are able to do occasional long distance drives. Tesla Model 3 with Tesla's supercharger network are actually very capable long distance cars. Unfortunately Tesla are the only ones building a charging networks, it is their car's biggest asset.

 

So Model 3 will have enabled long distance driving for the masses, it has also hit the mark on ownership cost (purchase price + running cost), it also has future autonomous capabilities unlockable via software instead of buying a whole new car. It's the perfect car to own for a long time!  and I plan to own one for at least 10 years.

You mention of 450- 500 miles and fueling up and having going into a fuel station is all good and well, 

but where you are refueling and having a quick rest break at 500-600 miles and still not at your destination is where the EV is not working out unless you have a Tesla & Tesla chargers, but still even then.

 

So lets see what the next few years bring.

December 2019 delivery is so near 2020 delivery and later than that.

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    Driven 300 miles round trip last weekend in my diesel. 150 miles trip took 3 hours on the crowded motorway today. Stopped at mid-way point for a quick 10min break, there were 2 EV rapid chargers available for use and 8 Tesla superchargers waiting to come online, same story on return journey. So in a 200 miles Model 3, while I'm taking a very quick 10min toilet break, the car would be able to recover almost 1 hour worth of motorway driving range. If you are driving further, a lunch break later the car is ready for another half day worth of driving.

     

    The example I gave earlier is for everyday use, where you stay within vehicle's range. The argument of recharge hassles doesn't make any sense if your daily use is within vehicle's range. My counter argument was that refuelling a petrol/diesel car actually takes more time due to having to visit the petrol station.

     

     

    The most convenient way to refuel your car is to do it at your own leisure at your destination (home). EV allows you to do this, you can't do this in a petrol/diesel car.

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    I have a 14 year old petrol car for daily use of a few miles, gets 25 miles from 4.546 liters, done 3,000 miles since last MOT, 55,000 miles since new,

    might have replaced it with a EV or a Yaris Hybrid and it passed its MOT so it stays.  It is Eco Green as a vehicle.

    I have another 19 years old, 24,000 miles on it, 800 since last MOT 1st March.

     

    Long trips need vehicles suitable for location location location and circumstances, tried all the EV's including Tesla so i just need to wait until the future comes. Think i will stop driving by that time though.

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    whilst numbers "sold " may be low approx another 50% of that number are en route but are counted as next(this) year   with over 101K cars made in 2017   the first M3 has just gone "second hand"  with 300 miles on the clock for a $19k upgrade on the factory price +$7.5K federal bonus.   Autocar seemed to have gone the lazy route quoting Reuters instead of doing their home work. Reuters in common with most MSM  seem to have their own agenda  (shorting?)   No surprise newspapers are struggling and the likes of the beeb, c4 and sky news are losing out to the Net 

    Can you point us to your source, is it TESLA's figures being published or are they from an US Agency?

    10 hours ago, cheshire_cat said:

    whilst numbers "sold " may be low approx another 50% of that number are en route but are counted as next(this) year   with over 101K cars made in 2017   the first M3 has just gone "second hand"  with 300 miles on the clock for a $19k upgrade on the factory price +$7.5K federal bonus.   Autocar seemed to have gone the lazy route quoting Reuters instead of doing their home work. Reuters in common with most MSM  seem to have their own agenda  (shorting?)   No surprise newspapers are struggling and the likes of the beeb, c4 and sky news are losing out to the Net 

    So how far is Tesla production / sales behind their original delivery plan volumes, for customer placed orders in Europe - UK?

    What is the current delivery lead time , after placement of order?

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    If Haymarket Media Group / Autocar /What Car / Pistonheads publish wrong numbers then TESLA will know how to have them correct articles with the true figures and information, i imagine they have a number for them, or maybe an Email address.

     

    http://nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics 

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    9 minutes ago, AwaoffSki said:

    If Haymarket Media Group / Autocar /What Car / Pistonheads publish wrong numbers then TESLA will know how to have them correct articles with the true figures and information, i imagine they have a number for them, or maybe an Email address.

     

    http://nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics 

    UK general car sales continue fall and forecast to continue doing so over the next couple years ,so perhaps Tesla will improve their position on supply, due to order cancellations.

    Although some speculative buyers aiming to make a fast buck or two on delivery?

    My market research is on how many pure EV's i see, and which have rear lights on.

    I see more TESLA on roads in Scotland and their drivers have rear lights on.

     

    There are Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV around and they are easily spotted if visibility allows because they are seldom driving with tail lights on other than at night time.

    Loads of Leaf about, same thing, not red plastic on the rear lights, and i never see any of those with rear lights on in rain,. fog, snow or poor light / visibility.

    & Rear reflectors seem to not reflect.

    Zoe's much the same.  

     

    These drivers are very green, or stupid or just scared that they will not have range if the cars lights are turned on.

    Time maybe that Dipped Dim was introduced to the UK.  or that now DRL's are at the Front and rear. Just so that there is rear lights.

     

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    the point I was trying to make  was not that the figures were wrong but like all mainstream media only bad news is a good story, so just quote the figures you need to give the slant you want,  what wasn't mentioned was during the last week of the year they produced 1000 M3's  this is projected to 1000 per week by the end of the first quarter,   and rather puts the 1500 ? into some perspective.  as to the effect on Euro/GB sales timing who knows,    the biggest snag I see is a shortage of batteries judging by the orders coming in for power station back up systems following the (I gather) spectacular success of the Australian back up system's first "real life"  test   P.S. the reason for so many red lights is default to full auto on start up    

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    can't wait for the fast-un  :-)

    4 hours ago, cheshire_cat said:

    can't wait for the fast-un  :-)

    Common hoon!:biggrin:

    • 2 weeks later...

    first one sighted?:cool:

    If only the front of Tesla cars didn’t look like stone chip heaven or so bland.

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