Tesla Model 3 pre-ordering

[wyx087]

On ‎12‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 12:59, vrskeith said:

Think you are under estimating the speed of change. However, best of luck in six years time.

3 things are important to me, and I think no other traditional car manufacturers will not even consider them because they are not software company and don't depend on EV sales (yet):

1. supercharger network - no other manufacturer is pushing their own, reliance on utility companies is not enough.

2. OTA updates - push the car out of the door, then it's the dealer's cash-cow. It shouldn't be like that with a giant smart phone on wheels.

3. Autopilot hardware - traditional manufacturers build thousands variants of same vehicle, if you didn't spec autonomous driving, your car won't have the hardware, no retrofitting option with ACC for example. I'd happily buy software unlocks as a second hand buyer rather than searching for the car that has the right combination of parts I wanted.

 

 

The new Skoda EV for example, will VAG have their own super-charging network by 2025? Will they change the way they build cars by putting in redundant hardware and provide software unlockable features? They've spent billions streamlining their production line to make all model variation and reduce production cost, they will not fit anything unnecessary.

 

OTA updates may be possible within next 6 years, but with the move to EV with OTA updates, traditional manufacturers will need to move away from dealership model first. Do it all within 6 years time? I can't see it happen.

[Aspman]

Tesla has it's own charging network because it's the first. No other manufacturer is going to build its own network. They're will be an agreed fast charge standard and they'll all comply with that. You don't get VW petrol pumps and Ford petrol pumps after all.

 

But your other two points stand. Tesla (well Elon Musk) is happy to lose money on the cars because it's a pet project and he has money to burn from other things. The establishment can't afford to do that.

 

Another couple of years with the beemer and then I'll probably look quite seriously at a used Tesla S.

Edited 15 August, 2017 by Aspman

[vrskeith]

On ‎15‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 07:35, wyx087 said:

3 things are important to me, and I think no other traditional car manufacturers will not even consider them because they are not software company and don't depend on EV sales (yet):

1. supercharger network - no other manufacturer is pushing their own, reliance on utility companies is not enough.

2. OTA updates - push the car out of the door, then it's the dealer's cash-cow. It shouldn't be like that with a giant smart phone on wheels.

3. Autopilot hardware - traditional manufacturers build thousands variants of same vehicle, if you didn't spec autonomous driving, your car won't have the hardware, no retrofitting option with ACC for example. I'd happily buy software unlocks as a second hand buyer rather than searching for the car that has the right combination of parts I wanted.

 

 

The new Skoda EV for example, will VAG have their own super-charging network by 2025? Will they change the way they build cars by putting in redundant hardware and provide software unlockable features? They've spent billions streamlining their production line to make all model variation and reduce production cost, they will not fit anything unnecessary.

 

OTA updates may be possible within next 6 years, but with the move to EV with OTA updates, traditional manufacturers will need to move away from dealership model first. Do it all within 6 years time? I can't see it happen.

Well, here we may have another option by 2022 with 5years into production.

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-put-microbus-inspired-id-buzz-electric-car-production

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/98136/vw-id-buzz-microbus-confirmed-for-2022-release

Edited 19 August, 2017 by vrskeith

[wyx087]

Cool, but only ticks 1 out of 3 of the  stuff I want from EV.

 

How stupid would it be to NOT have automatic firmware updates when it's always connected to the internet? Outdated internet connected systems mean things like WannaCry can take down the your car like NHS.

 

 

[glosrich]

Lots of talk about OTA updates, yes they are good, but a Tesla still needs a service every year, still brakes, tyres, wipers, lights etc to check, battery coolant needs changing every few years also, so its not a mobile smartphone, 'push it out the dealer and say goodbye', just yet.

 

I think a used model S with free supercharging for life is a seriously good car. The model 3 does not have free supercharging, so there is an extra expense there, however it is £30k less!

 

Just not sure we have the electricity for such a big change over, only a few years back they were talking of power cuts, due to our ageing power stations and lack of capacity.

Also its still not the answer to congestion, putting everyone in an electric car still causes a traffic jam. Just a less polluted traffic jam....

 

 

 

[vrskeith]

On ‎11‎/‎08‎/‎2017 at 10:58, wyx087 said:

I fully intend to buy one, but as a pre-owned. So probably have to wait until 2022 to get mine. There are no other EV manufacturer can catch Tesla until at least 2030, supercharger network and OTA whole car firmware updates are more than enough reason to buy a Tesla.

 

Then there's the autopilot hardware, as second hand car buyer, built-in hardware means I can buy any Model 3 and upgrade myself. So I will definitely be driving (or be autonomously driven) my Model 3 within 6 years time, just a question of how soon can I find one.

 

 

 

 

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/id-buzz/100512/volkswagen-id-buzz-concept-review

 

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/first-drive-volkswagen-id-buzz-concept-review

Edited 21 August, 2017 by vrskeith

[wyx087]

Please stop quoting me for the VW Compervan EV, it's a horrible EV: inefficient, doesn't have OTA updates, doesn't have 100kW+ charger access and only available in 2022, which is irrelevant to me. I'm saying I'll be looking to buy a second hand Model 3 before 2022.

 

Speaking of second hand Tesla, I saw a Tesla Model S 85 with autopilot 1 for £43k, cheaper than the single variant long-range Model 3's that are being produced now. Quite tempted.... It'll have 5 years left on battery + drivetrain unlimited miles warranty plus 4 years of pre-owned Tesla warranty, plus lifetime free supercharger charging.

https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/used/5YJSB7H16EFP57017

[glosrich]

I saw this on the BBC and thought you should see it:

We're driving to an electric future, but how do we keep the kettle on? - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-41011008

[vrskeith]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volkswagen/scirocco/100530/volkswagen-scirocco-to-be-reborn-as-hot-electric-coupe

 

Nothing better than Good healthy "Green" competition for the USA domination .

 

 

Edited 23 August, 2017 by vrskeith

[vrskeith]

Skoda EV won't be in direct competition with Tesla.

 

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/skoda-evs-won’t-have-sub-brand-or-be-‘vanilla’-tesla-model-3

 

 

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/skoda/100549/skoda-reveals-targets-for-future-evs-and-connected-services

Edited 24 August, 2017 by vrskeith

[Ootohere]

Last week some 'journalist' is saying the Skoda Joyster was ahead of it's time rather than just that VW got to build the Sirocco. 

Now VW are going through the drawer of drawings with concepts and think, that will do get a press release out showing the latest EV's, 

and quick, because there is a news story on VW France lying about VW REgistrations from 2010 on with VW's, Skoda, Seat & Audis.

[cheshire_cat]

more "announcements" than status quo comebacks     wouldn't go to VW if they were giving them away------Useless,  end of rant 

[vrskeith]

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/tesla/model-3/87867/new-tesla-model-3-prices-specs-news

 

Not good news.

 

Hope no quality issues found on delivery by  customers.

Edited 2 November, 2017 by vrskeith

[cheshire_cat]

the problem is with (i think) with the chargers and hence battery packs backing up( at the GIGAfactory) ---- they have been building them by hand as the two automated lines from outside specialists have had to be redesigned and modified by Tesla's own engineers   unless other problems crop up I guess only a few weeks delay        much joy and crap  generated by the bears pulling down the stock price :  next on the agenda is the truck unveil flagged for about the 28 Nov  

[vrskeith]

On ‎03‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 16:55, cheshire_cat said:

the problem is with (i think) with the chargers and hence battery packs backing up( at the GIGAfactory) ---- they have been building them by hand as the two automated lines from outside specialists have had to be redesigned and modified by Tesla's own engineers   unless other problems crop up I guess only a few weeks delay        much joy and crap  generated by the bears pulling down the stock price :  next on the agenda is the truck unveil flagged for about the 28 Nov  

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/tesla/tesla-model-3-production-delayed-as-losses-hit-record-low/

 

2019 /20 deliveries into Europe?

 

Competition will be catching up by then.

[cheshire_cat]

just seen Tesla have bought an "automation" company  not seen details but I wonder if it's related?

[cheshire_cat]

Perbix  "a maker of factory automation equipment" in Minnesota  ---   there they go "burnin' cash agin"  :-)         

[vrskeith]

On ‎06‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 06:46, vrskeith said:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/tesla/tesla-model-3-production-delayed-as-losses-hit-record-low/

 

2019 /20 deliveries into Europe?

 

Competition will be catching up by then.

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/analysis-will-model-3-make-or-break-tesla

[cheshire_cat]

Hmmmmmmmmm    I smell short bears

[VRS Mike]

I had a look on the tesla website yesterday, I think the model 3 might be perfect for me, and I would be tempted to pre order, if they would be so kind to actually tell me how much it will cost lol

[cheshire_cat]

there's little to choose at the mo' colour wheels and that's about it, also only open to pre orders if you live local (to California) at the   for a few goodies thrown in you wont be far off £40k next year,    good (but verbose) report from MotorTrend comparing it to a BM 330 in most aspects but approx 1/4 as "thirsty"

[Ootohere]

 

 

 

 

Edited 4 December, 2017 by AwaoffSki

[vrskeith]

3 hours ago, AwaoffSki said:

 

 

 

 

That's great stuff but what delivery is Musk now BSg ,1year or longer, if ordered today???

[Ootohere]

I am that fed up charging my Pedal Assist Electric Bike that a EV is off my wish list.  

The Nissan Van / People carrier with a bigger battery than they are away to fit still would not give a full day travelling range so hopeless.

Diesel is just so useful.  Diesel Hybrid would be usable for travelling through urban areas IMO.

[wyx087]

42 minutes ago, vrskeith said:

That's great stuff but what delivery is Musk now BSg ,1year or longer, if ordered today???

RHD start delivery in 2019, so December 2019, there are a few pre-orders need fulfilling first. So order today -> in 3 years time earliest.

 

I'll be driving new Leaf 40kWh by then, due to current Leaf is under 3 year PCP. The Tesla will replace the Skoda Octavia, which is owned outright so I've no problem waiting for a good second hand Model 3. (*touch wood* with less than 10k mileage all long distances in a diesel, I hope my Skoda can last 5 more years cheaply)

 

 

I've found charging EV to be an easy experience. Arrive home, plug it in, never have to think about range or refuelling. It only takes 5s to plug in.

 

Whereas with the diesel Skoda, I drive 60 miles a working day, Skoda can only do 450-500 miles in one tank. To reduce unnecessary trips to petrol station, I fill up when it's near empty. But I can't refill every 2 weeks on a set schedule, have to keep an eye and refuel on a random weekday, each time taking 10+mins to refuel.  So that's 10min for maximum 8 days of driving => average 1.25min per day. Whereas plugging in and unplugging only takes total 10s per day.

 

Remember to refuel a petrol/diesel, you have to include the time turning off your route into the petrol station, paying and time to re-join your route. Whereas with electric daily drive, you only need to plug-in at night, taking a few seconds.