The 190 TDI will give the same mpg as the 220 petrol it seems! Something is very wrong with these 190 engines and their current map if the petrol version is getting that close. 65mpg is nowt but a dream.

 

They can actually be coaxed to get close to the quoted figures:

 

 

I will be the 1st to admit that this is not a true reflection though... I filled up at Maidstone services and then rejoined the motorway, set ACC to 65MPH and left the motorway at Folkestone, 26 miles later, the result an accurate 61 MPG (the maxidot reads 1MPH high)

 

In realistic driving I can regularly get 53MPG which means by the time I refuel I have an average of 50MPG.

 

How many 220’s are getting over 700 miles per tankful I wonder?  :wonder:

The 190 TDI will give the same mpg as the 220 petrol it seems! Something is very wrong with these 190 engines and their current map if the petrol version is getting that close. 65mpg is nowt but a dream.

Yes my 190DSG S3 is giving me 35 to 42 around town and 42 to 45 on longer trips. Really disappointed! Considering a remap.

My old S2 170 DSG consistently gave me 47 to 51.

They can actually be coaxed to get close to the quoted figures:

I will be the 1st to admit that this is not a true reflection though... I filled up at Maidstone services and then rejoined the motorway, set ACC to 65MPH and left the motorway at Folkestone, 26 miles later, the result an accurate 61 MPG (the maxidot reads 1MPH high)

In realistic driving I can regularly get 53MPG which means by the time I refuel I have an average of 50MPG.

How many 220’s are getting over 700 miles per tankful I wonder? :wonder:

Probably none but on a long motorway run it'll do into the 600s miles per tank without trying. That's based on an easy 42mpg at 75mph in 6th. In reality I get that 42mpg over mixed driving so on a motorway run like yours I wouldn't be too shocked if it was knocking 700 miles, but obviously closer to 550/600 with mixed driving.

I doubt you'll find a single 220 owner who'd swap their engine for 50 extra miles anyway... The 220 is only doing about 1,800rpm at motorway speeds which helps. The 150 diesel I had for a week was doing around 2,600rpm. How does the 190 sit at 70mph out of interest?

Edited 11 April, 201610 yr by Derv

About 1800 rpm I think, but Domestic Control has the car this week while I decoke the DPF in the X6.

Edited 12 April, 201610 yr by FelisBengalensis

Also tax considerations to remember, general availability, VED, resale value, pump prices etc. The 150tdi only lacks smoothness when you rev the nuts of it, but who does that? Lots of variables. 220bhp just feels like overkill for this type of car to me.

Also tax considerations to remember, general availability, VED, resale value, pump prices etc. The 150tdi only lacks smoothness when you rev the nuts of it, but who does that? Lots of variables. 220bhp just feels like overkill for this type of car to me.

If you make a car purchasing decision based on the contents of your wallet, you might be right, but if you love cars, & enjoy driving then the 220 must be the way ahead.

 

As for 220 PS being too much, I beg to differ, if Skoda were prepared to offer the LSD from the vRS 230, then the 265 PS engine from the GTi Clubsport could be the heart

of the forthcoming Superb Sportline. 

 

DC

Also tax considerations to remember, general availability, VED, resale value, pump prices etc. The 150tdi only lacks smoothness when you rev the nuts of it, but who does that? Lots of variables. 220bhp just feels like overkill for this type of car to me.

Bet you love the 280 then ;-)

The 150tdi only lacks smoothness when you rev the nuts of it, but who does that? Lots of variables. 220bhp just feels like overkill for this type of car to me.

 

I (obviously, seeing as I own one) feel the opposite. It's a large comfy cruiser and as such a wafty, silent petrol engine with tons of torque for relaxed driving - and decent HP when you need/want it - is exactly suited to its character. I found the 150 noisy, unrefined, gruff, underpowered and flat/boring in comparison and felt it didn't suit the car at all. I guess that's why they sell both - so everyone is happy. :beer:

First post here, but I have owned two Skoda's previously, but when I was looking at Lookers Prestwich last week,  they had a cancelled order 190 manual estate in the showroom.  No options fitted except it was magnetic brown.  They also had a 150 SE Business hatch in I think it was Quartz grey.  Both brand new and unregistered

 

More importantly the finance guy is running a petrol L&K estate as a demonstrator fitted with just about every extra known to man.

If you're looking at a 220 try Wings of Peterborough. They have an unregistered SEL Exec in Petrol Blue at a good price.

I am interested in a new or ex demo S3 petrol 150 TSI DSG, either hatch or estate.

Problem is finding one to test (as noted earlier).

1) Does anyone have experience of the 150TSI either DSG or manual?

 

Also, I have a belief that the 17" wheels will be quieter and more comfortable, especially for the long motorway journeys I will do.

I cannot test this as all demo models in nearby midlands dealers (100 miles) seem to be the SEL with 18" wheels.

I have looked on the UK Skoda dealers used car web site, seems to be a nationwide problem as noted by someone earlier.

2) Anyone have any comments - have you tried the 17" wheel version and is it noticeably more comfortable/quieter??

I ran 17" winter wheels/tyres and now I'm back on the 19's I can honestly say there is very little difference.

In fact with the DCC set to comfort it is too soft for me!

I don't think you would notice much if any difference from the wheel size. It was something that worried me when I changed from 18 inch merc wheels which were just like driving on solid rubber! I drove both sizes before buying and couldn't feel any real difference. The 17 were perhaps a little softer but not noticeably so. The make of tyres fitted is different. Conti for 17 and Pirelli for 18. I find Conti noisier than Pirelli and Pirelli noisy compared to other brands such as Dunlop. However, it is because the car is so quiet on the move that I can quibble about tyre noise!!

Bet you love the 280 then ;-)

Sorely tempted with a 280 when we replace our Mk2 (our annual mileage is about to plummet to only a few thousand miles a year), but how's the refinement of the 280 vs the 220, do you know?

Sorely tempted with a 280 when we replace our Mk2 (our annual mileage is about to plummet to only a few thousand miles a year), but how's the refinement of the 280 vs the 220, do you know?

 

Not driven a 220 but refinement in what way ? They are pretty much the same engine. I had a 1.8tsi Scout before the Superb and I thought that was refined. Superb is in another league.

I was kind of thinking of:

 

Smoothness of pickup

noise (pleasant, intrusive, etc)

vibration (does the engine shake the car at all)

 

I've currently the 1.8TSI and it's an engine that's well matched to the car - I like the idea of the 280, but am a bit wary in case it's rather intrusive, especially at motorway speeds. I imagine it isn't, but just like to check.

I was kind of thinking of:

 

Smoothness of pickup

noise (pleasant, intrusive, etc)

vibration (does the engine shake the car at all)

 

I've currently the 1.8TSI and it's an engine that's well matched to the car - I like the idea of the 280, but am a bit wary in case it's rather intrusive, especially at motorway speeds. I imagine it isn't, but just like to check.

Managed a test drive in a 220 DSG and whisper quiet, zero vibration,

regarding pick up, can throw you back in your seat if you bury your right foot, but not jerky if that is the question

Sadly not quite right time for new car for me as I loved it

In the 220 more than few seconds of heavy right foot and you need to ease off if you don't want to blast through speed limit

Haven't tried the 280, but more likely to have transmission noise and unless you need the 4 wheel drive, not sure it is worth it. Think most of the extra power is at quite high revs and you have to be accelerating very hard to use it.

As for the diesel, at idle it is a noisy vibrating horror, enough said

 

As for the diesel, at idle it is a noisy vibrating horror, enough said

Thank you for that, My 190 diesel is is very quiet when I stop as it very rarely Idles, it cuts out as designed, when I pull away it is no longer at idle it is accelerating to 62 mph in a whole .5 of a second behind your 220 petrol whilst giving on paper about 20mpg more. This Diesel engine is a bloody good one. No it is not as quite as a petrol engine but It is when the radio is on and your driving normally, to each there own you like petrol, I like Diesel both can move us down the road at speeds well in excess of what is required or indeed legal here in the UK or sensible even on an Autobahn.

What is it about diesel drivers being infatuated with fuel consumption......personally, i couldnt care less about MPG!!

It’s all relative,

 

when I was doing 80 miles per week I too couldn’t care less the MPG, now that has risen to 80 miles per day the cost of fuel is by far the biggest expenditure per year, so yes it does matter.

 

Granted my fuel costs may be no more than someone who buys a 280.... but then I do twice the mileage.

Oops, sorry for my earlier rant.....better keep my mouth shut! ....I suppose if I was doing serious mileage I would be looking at the MPG. Personally I don't do much mileage (I have a 13 year old Beetle from new and its done 55k!!) and even less now I have retired, Earlier comment withdrawn and I will go and sit in the corner and hang my head in shame.

I was kind of thinking of:

 

Smoothness of pickup

noise (pleasant, intrusive, etc)

vibration (does the engine shake the car at all)

 

I've currently the 1.8TSI and it's an engine that's well matched to the car - I like the idea of the 280, but am a bit wary in case it's rather intrusive, especially at motorway speeds. I imagine it isn't, but just like to check.

imagine a 1.8 TSI with another 120 brake... That's pretty much it :-)

Oops, sorry for my earlier rant.....better keep my mouth shut! ....I suppose if I was doing serious mileage I would be looking at the MPG. Personally I don't do much mileage (I have a 13 year old Beetle from new and its done 55k!!) and even less now I have retired, Earlier comment withdrawn and I will go and sit in the corner and hang my head in shame.

 

No apology needed as I say it’s all relative to your personal circumstances.

 

18 months ago I seriously considered buying a 420 BHP AM V8V because of the limited mileage I was doing, 6 months later and I changed jobs... imagine running that for 500+ miles per week 

No apology needed as I say it’s all relative to your personal circumstances.

 

18 months ago I seriously considered buying a 420 BHP AM V8V because of the limited mileage I was doing, 6 months later and I changed jobs... imagine running that for 500+ miles per week 

quite feasible provided you had a trailer with an oil well on it!! ha ha

I (obviously, seeing as I own one) feel the opposite. It's a large comfy cruiser and as such a wafty, silent petrol engine with tons of torque for relaxed driving - and decent HP when you need/want it - is exactly suited to its character. I found the 150 noisy, unrefined, gruff, underpowered and flat/boring in comparison and felt it didn't suit the car at all. I guess that's why they sell both - so everyone is happy. :beer:

The 150 feels about right to me - the important thing being the midrange torque which at 250lbft is quite a lot and roughly the same as the 280ps engine from 1800-3000rpm. Also you only get your full 280ps over 5,600rpm. Given that the dsg shuffles up at 2200 rpm (ish) in normal driving, it just didn't make sense to me. My superb is an econobox loadlugger, more power wouldn't suit the wafty chassis and monumentally crap tyres. Money saved on petrol gets spent on my nismo instead

I (obviously, seeing as I own one) feel the opposite. It's a large comfy cruiser and as such a wafty, silent petrol engine with tons of torque for relaxed driving - and decent HP when you need/want it - is exactly suited to its character. I found the 150 noisy, unrefined, gruff, underpowered and flat/boring in comparison and felt it didn't suit the car at all. I guess that's why they sell both - so everyone is happy. :beer: