Tried a search and haven't found anything about the wear rate on these two tyres compared to each other.

I'm either going to get one of these two or the Kumho Ecsta Supra 712's. Just want to know whether theres a lot of difference between the wear rate though.

I suppose the Toyo's being assymetric it would be better if I ever had a puncture?

Take a look at this site it reviews loads of tyres:

http://www.tyretest.com/pkw_sommerreifen/index.html

I had a look though and i rekon the best value is the Perelli P Zero Nero, found it on mytyres.com for

I rate Khumo's very highly

I have F'1s and rate them, my tyre guy puts them on the police suburus, and tells me not to use the toyo's 'cause they wear too quick

By all accounts the Toyo T1-R wears less quickly than the T1-S did. Mine have been on for 13,000 miles and still have about 5 mm on the fronts after one front-to-back swap. I'll be replacing them with more T1-Rs when the time comes.

By all accounts the Toyo T1-R wears less quickly than the T1-S did. Mine have been on for 13,000 miles and still have about 5 mm on the fronts after one front-to-back swap. I'll be replacing them with more T1-Rs when the time comes.

I've heard that the new ones are better than the old...... anyone had a set on the front without rotating and know how long they lasted? I got 17,000 miles out of the conti's......

My VRS came fitted new with Bridgestone Turanza ER 300's and after 6000 miles (3000 of those done with the OneClick ) they are barely worn at all.

With rotation they should hopefully go to 20k.

My VRS came fitted new with Bridgestone Turanza ER 300's and after 6000 miles (3000 of those done with the OneClick ) they are barely worn at all.

With rotation they should hopefully go to 20k.

Thats what mine came with - how do you find them? Just wondering how much worse they are than the F1's or T1-R's.

I've heard that the new ones are better than the old...... anyone had a set on the front without rotating and know how long they lasted? I got 17,000 miles out of the conti's......

I have now done nearly 21000 miles without rotating, fronts are around 3-4mm. Definately wearing better than the T1S, and massively better that the Conti's which are fitted as standard.

Edit : Thats on an Octy.