There's very very little heat inside a PCP, Nick.

As for FTTP, the kit for inside the house is £750 alone. Who do you suppose will pay for that? Then there's the ducting and sub duct for the fibre bundle. Then there's the blow for the fibre from the node to the end user. The time for one connection of FTTP is around 3 to 4 hours.

At our last meeting we were told all new sites with >35 premises will be FTTP. The builders will simply add this cost onto the sale price.

There's very very little heat inside a PCP, Nick.

As for FTTP, the kit for inside the house is £750 alone. Who do you suppose will pay for that? Then there's the ducting and sub duct for the fibre bundle. Then there's the blow for the fibre from the node to the end user. The time for one connection of FTTP is around 3 to 4 hours.

At our last meeting we were told all new sites with >35 premises will be FTTP. The builders will simply add this cost onto the sale price.

 

And the first personal computers cost thousands (in some cases more than TEN thousand), but increasing sales meant mass production and rival brands, so the prices plummeted; if it was mandated that all new builds had to have FTTP, the prices would soon start to drop; the BTOR engineers I have spoken agree, it is crazy to still be stringing new copper.

And the first personal computers cost thousands (in some cases more than TEN thousand), but increasing sales meant mass production and rival brands, so the prices plummeted; if it was mandated that all new builds had to have FTTP, the prices would soon start to drop; the BTOR engineers I have spoken agree, it is crazy to still be stringing new copper.

Legislation dictates IIRC.

Yep, policy care of  policy wonkers (Not quite the word I'd use).

 

And yet, they'd happily spend £billions on  a third runway at Heathrow where any returns will be more than offset by the congested London road transport logistics and a kittening extension to the HS rail (That requires thru passengers to the North to dismount at St Pancreas and walk 300 yards down the road to get on board the HS2 at Euston) - where else could the return leg of a  trip from Matalan at Hayes (5 miles distant from me South Harrow)  take nearly 2 hours in the evening rush -hour, 7 years ago !

 

Trouble is chairperson May, and her like, travel everywhere in ministerial motorcades with motorcycle outriders clearing the way ahead of them. They never experience the real traffic conditions. Their only experience is the academic content of the ministerial brief in the Transport Ministry red boxes, which is obviously highly conditioned at the moment by the views of the startled rabbit ex- head of the Audit commission, whoever he represents - surprising views, bearing in mind he's an economist.

 

Moving people isn't the issue for economic growth in  the wider  UK economy (Although it may be for the narrow interests of the city of London), moving goods is.This country will hit the buffers in terms of the limits to economic growth, far sooner, If we continue to give movement of people for work purposes, priority over goods. So get the commuters off  kittening the roads and trains and allow them to telecommute, at least for a proportion of the working week. This will free-up the logistics for economic purposes and give an instant boost to productivity, at which the UK is so bad.

 

You can only do that if you have a decent telecomms system.

 

 

Nick

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There's very very little heat inside a PCP, Nick.

As for FTTP, the kit for inside the house is £750 alone. Who do you suppose will pay for that? Then there's the ducting and sub duct for the fibre bundle. Then there's the blow for the fibre from the node to the end user. The time for one connection of FTTP is around 3 to 4 hours.

At our last meeting we were told all new sites with >35 premises will be FTTP. The builders will simply add this cost onto the sale price.

So country wide telecomms is less important than North-Sea energy  was in the 1970s - every street across the UK was dug-up and every house and commercial premises had to have their gas appliances replaced in whole or part.

 

Nick

Legislation dictates IIRC.

 

I know that, but governments rarely move unless they are kicked, and BT aint kicking; hence the UK slowly dropping down the league tables for network speeds; if they're not careful 5G will suddenly take off at reasonable data prices and BT will find themselves with a 0% market share one morning.

I am already talking to friends about ditching their 1.5Mbps BT line and going 3/4G; they would get a minimum of 10x faster than their landline speed, and save £5-12 per month in contract costs; since their main use is Skyping to family in india and Australia, they arent huge data bandwidth users.

I'd guess, judging from the web photos, that BT's CEO spends more time massaging his bottle of face moisturiser than on strategic telecomms issues

 

He's the establishment's boy, so as long as returns to shareholders are maximised, the plebes aspirations are circumscribed and limited by an under  developed economic infrastructure and the flow of brain-numbing bull**** TV is maintained undiminished, everybody (In the City and St James') are happy.

 

 

Nick

Ok, so I do get paid to sit around doing nothing all day..... (I made a couple of mugs of tea whilst reading all this).

 

I've caught up on the inane drivel from Nick on here, and just how far this strays off-topic.

 

Having read it all, I've come to the following conclusions:

1) Nick doesn't know when he's talking to a BT engineer on here, although someone who is an "ex-BT engineer" obviously is speaks the truth. (I'm not even going to grace the forum's story-teller with more than this much of a mention.)

2) This isn't actually a technical issue, nor a technical issue that anyone on here can help/deal with. So I'd question why it's in Tech Shed (along with it's equally inane spawn). (Maybe a there should be an "Old Man Shouting At Clouds" sub-section?)

3) The "data" collected by Nick's collection of free software will be taken as seriously by BT as anyone on here going into a Skoda dealership waving a printout of a VCDS scan. Along with "I wasn't there when it happened, 'onest guv, you *must* believe me" and "all the kit was switched off, 'onest guv, you *must* believe me"........BT have Nick's usage tracked....Nick doesn't.

4) OMG how much clutching at straws is there? Rare instances (and we should remember BT has millions of customers) are being touted as probable causes of an accounting issue? Wow.

5) Nick's love affair with BT is to such an extent that emails are signed "Nick XXXXXX" (Really Mr. Roberts? Kisses at the end of a complaint email? Well, it takes all sorts I suppose.)

6) Even if this goes "all the way to OFCOM" and finds in favour of BT, it still won't be resolved to Nick's satisfaction. (Given the amount of whineing Nick does - is there any point at which he'll be satisfied?) BT has a whole department for dealing with people "complaining" about their bills.

7) Other ISPs are available, but there is reluctance to make the change, despite this "unhappiness" with BT that goes back beyond 2010 - ample time to diligent research which provider would provide a more suitable Whingeing:Service ratio.

8) Less than 20m range on a wireless connection is about right, when the AP is inside a Faraday cage, and even worse when you're AP is inside a Faraday cage and you're sitting in another metal box. (This is actually the closest the thread got to a technical issue.)

9) I would find it exceptionally hard to believe that BT would allow any customer to go so far over limit, without having sent many informative e.mails beforehand, and given how much time Nick has on his hands, and spends messing about in the router's configuration, how the limit was approached and breached in such epic style, without Nick being aware of it.

10) Switching the router off every night for "power-saving", next we'll be told that the water and electricity are turned off when going down the shops.