This looks like my next product to try. Just looking for your personal experiences with Essence. Do you put an LSP over this, if so do you go traditional with a wax or sealant or do you prefer a more durable finish such as CarPro CQUK?

All the best

Chubbs

Sorry David - never used it..... always looked a bit expensive for me.

 

Interested to see if we have any users of it in the forum....

Dont forget the discount code that Craig Hall kindly setup....

 

http://www.carpro.uk.com/

Discount Code: CS75 for 10% off all orders.

Dont forget the discount code that Craig Hall kindly setup....

http://www.carpro.uk.com/

Discount Code: CS75 for 10% off all orders.

Nice one Ste. Yeah a bit pricey but a time efficient product. Thanks for the code, very useful!!

Edited 21 October, 20169 yr by Chubbs

Nice one Ste. Yeah a bit pricey but a time efficient product. Thanks for the code, very useful!!

 

 

Could be time efficient...... if you lock in to the Carpro product range.

 

But doing a quick google.... there are warnings... ie > 3 hour wait before LSP application.

 

https://carpro.uk.com/products/essence500

 

"Can be topped with Reload or Hydro2 immediately, please allow at least 3 hours after buffing before coating with CQuartz or wax/traditional polymer sealants due to solvents."

Ahhh, I'd read an hour for cure time but I guess the longer the better. I also read it provides very different results with different pads and pain combos so would need to be careful....as always, least aggressive first!

Ahhh, I'd read an hour for cure time but I guess the longer the better. I also read it provides very different results with different pads and pain combos so would need to be careful....as always, least aggressive first!

 

 

Well - with that sort of extended cure time; i think it would struggle to fit in with anyones detailing regime.... never mind a business.

 

Just my thoughts of course...  Maybe if you have the vehicle for a 2 day detail - you would have that sort of time luxury....

Or full indoor heated facilities to maintain an elevated ambient temperature and help reduce the cure time.

I bought a bottle, used it twice and sold it on...

 

So in summary, not difficult to use, although still 'grabby' on a Porsche - also known as the 'sticky paint' phenomenon.

Obviously leaves lots of things behind on the surface including fillers so needs to be locked in with one of their coatings in an ideal world, I'm sure a wax would be fine if you want to go out and re-wax every few weeks.

 

It defeats the object of machine polishing for me - covering up defects as opposed to spending the same amount of time with machine in hand and actually removing them!

If I wanted to fill the surface I'd do it by hand in about 10mins with something like Super Resin or Poorboys Black Hole.

 

cheers

 

Chris

I bought a bottle, used it twice and sold it on...

So in summary, not difficult to use, although still 'grabby' on a Porsche - also known as the 'sticky paint' phenomenon.

Obviously leaves lots of things behind on the surface including fillers so needs to be locked in with one of their coatings in an ideal world, I'm sure a wax would be fine if you want to go out and re-wax every few weeks.

It defeats the object of machine polishing for me - covering up defects as opposed to spending the same amount of time with machine in hand and actually removing them!

If I wanted to fill the surface I'd do it by hand in about 10mins with something like Super Resin or Poorboys Black Hole.

cheers

Chris

Thanks Chris, know exactly where you're coming from. Just looking at alternatives to one step products like Scholl S20. I wouldn't want to substitute it for two step process using a defined compound and refine...

Cheers

David

No worries, and that's another product which I wasn't impressed by

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Thanks Chris, know exactly where you're coming from. Just looking at alternatives to one step products like Scholl S20. I wouldn't want to substitute it for two step process using a defined compound and refine...

Cheers

David

No worries, and that's another product which I wasn't impressed by

cheers

Chris

Thanks Chris,

It's a decent enough product but there must be better than S20. I had a faulty bottle which didn't help but that's why I'm on the hunt for something else, a great all rounder. Any suggestions for a one stepper....I know one steppers are not true detailers as such but do offer a compromise to plug the customer requirements.

Are we talking by hand? da? rotary? - by hand I think you can't go far wrong with the latest formula of AG Super Resin, by da - Rupes Keramik will give good results mated to the right pad (and of course car/paint dependent) - bonus being it's a true finish with no fillers or Koch Chemie m201 anti hologram by rotary.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Thanks Chris,

It's a decent enough product but there must be better than S20. I had a faulty bottle which didn't help but that's why I'm on the hunt for something else, a great all rounder. Any suggestions for a one stepper....I know one steppers are not true detailers as such but do offer a compromise to plug the customer requirements.

Are we talking by hand? da? rotary? - by hand I think you can't go far wrong with the latest formula of AG Super Resin, by da - Rupes Keramik will give good results mated to the right pad (and of course car/paint dependent) - bonus being it's a true finish with no fillers or Koch Chemie m201 anti hologram by rotary.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Chris, just seen the company name - didn't realise!  Been following you on Instagram, producing some fantastic work! I'm looking at DA application - don't have the Big Foot though, would this be a deal breaker for the Keramik Gloss?

 

All the best

 

David 

Thanks...small world!

 

Most of the time rupes yellow pad + keramik is my 'go to' when doing a test section on every detail I do...even one pad & 250ml of keramik is cheaper than a bottle of essence :think:  no reason to think that they won't work when attached to a different machine.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Chris, just seen the company name - didn't realise!  Been following you on Instagram, producing some fantastic work! I'm looking at DA application - don't have the Big Foot though, would this be a deal breaker for the Keramik Gloss?

 

All the best

 

David 

Thanks...small world!

 

Most of the time rupes yellow pad + keramik is my 'go to' when doing a test section on every detail I do...even one pad & 250ml of keramik is cheaper than a bottle of essence :think:  no reason to think that they won't work when attached to a different machine.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

You're welcome, small world indeed!  You're absolutely right on the price, something very important to consider, especially being a Yorkshire man! What LSPs do you tend to you use over the RUPES compounds or refiners? Certainly a better option I think and food for thought.......

 

Cheers

 

David

99% of my work ends with Gtechniq coatings, probably only 8-10 cars a year have wax or sealant applied. Every detail goes through a Panel wipe stage before LSP.

 

I use Finish Kare 1000P or Gyeon CanCoat - both excellent, 1KP offers great durability once you've applied 2 or 3 layers, Cancoat seems to go under the radar but is superb, especially as it takes less than 10mins to go round a normal sized car.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

You're welcome, small world indeed!  You're absolutely right on the price, something very important to consider, especially being a Yorkshire man! What LSPs do you tend to you use over the RUPES compounds or refiners? Certainly a better option I think and food for thought.......

 

Cheers

 

David

99% of my work ends with Gtechniq coatings, probably only 8-10 cars a year have wax or sealant applied. Every detail goes through a Panel wipe stage before LSP.

I use Finish Kare 1000P or Gyeon CanCoat - both excellent, 1KP offers great durability once you've applied 2 or 3 layers, Cancoat seems to go under the radar but is superb, especially as it takes less than 10mins to go round a normal sized car.

cheers

Chris

Thanks Chris

The ceramic coatings certainly seem to be the preferred option for commercial use. Why GTechniq? What kind of expected durability? I appreciate circumstances will differ from car to car....

Cheers

David

Wax/sealants are fine if you enjoy the process of actually waxing your car every few weeks.

The hardness & durability and ease of washing of coatings make it a no brainer for me...leaves you more time to spend doing other things!.

I've tried pretty much every coating and they're all better than waxing (obviously) but I prefer Gtechniq largely because application is a doddle and the products do exactly what they say on the tin so to speak...no fancy marketing or advertising rubbish - thus also have 100% confidence in them when applying to clients cars.

 

They can all be used as standalone - Serum, Serum Light, Exo or Aero Coat but the ideal combo for me is CSL + Exo - gives you the 9h hardness coating of the CSL base layer and the amazing water behaviour of Exo over the top.

With the above CSL/Exo combo you have 4/5yrs from the CSL and 12/18months from Exo - but as you've identified it is car usage/cleaning regime dependent.

 

As an aside you may read about a coating having failed earlier than anticipated - this is 99% of the time down to the coating becoming dirty - a wash and some SRP is perfect for cleansing the coating and normal service is resumed.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Thanks Chris

The ceramic coatings certainly seem to be the preferred option for commercial use. Why GTechniq? What kind of expected durability? I appreciate circumstances will differ from car to car....

Cheers

David

Wax/sealants are fine if you enjoy the process of actually waxing your car every few weeks.

The hardness & durability and ease of washing of coatings make it a no brainer for me...leaves you more time to spend doing other things!.

I've tried pretty much every coating and they're all better than waxing (obviously) but I prefer Gtechniq largely because application is a doddle and the products do exactly what they say on the tin so to speak...no fancy marketing or advertising rubbish - thus also have 100% confidence in them when applying to clients cars.

They can all be used as standalone - Serum, Serum Light, Exo or Aero Coat but the ideal combo for me is CSL + Exo - gives you the 9h hardness coating of the CSL base layer and the amazing water behaviour of Exo over the top.

With the above CSL/Exo combo you have 4/5yrs from the CSL and 12/18months from Exo - but as you've identified it is car usage/cleaning regime dependent.

As an aside you may read about a coating having failed earlier than anticipated - this is 99% of the time down to the coating becoming dirty - a wash and some SRP is perfect for cleansing the coating and normal service is resumed.

cheers

Chris

Top info Chris, many thanks. That's some accolade for the Gtechniq brand....but I'd agree, ease of use, application and that kind of durability are major selling points.

Do the cure times vary considerably between different brands or is there a general rule of thumb?

Have you tried the Modesta coatings? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these products.

Cheers

David

Edited 22 October, 20169 yr by Chubbs

They do vary but a good generic pointer is to apply indoors and leave overnight - this should cover the initial curing phase of most products.

I always advise clients not to wash the car for 7 days after collecting the car from me - again just a failsafe to ensure the coating(s) have fully cured without getting interrupted by chemicals, getting rained on of course isn't a problem.

 

I tried bc-05 when it first came out, a fair while ago admittedly but it was a little fussy in application if memory serves me right, certainly something I've not revisited. 

On a side note it's much like polishes or in fact most other products in that what works for one person may not work for another.

 

Just don't waste your time or money on one of the many coatings that hit the market every week claiming to reinvent the wheel!...you'll notice these come and go without you noticing.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Top info Chris, many thanks. That's some accolade for the Gtechniq brand....but I'd agree, ease of use, application and that kind of durability are major selling points.

Do the cure times vary considerably between different brands or is there a general rule of thumb?

Have you tried the Modesta coatings? I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on these products.

Cheers

David

They do vary but a good generic pointer is to apply indoors and leave overnight - this should cover the initial curing phase of most products.

I always advise clients not to wash the car for 7 days after collecting the car from me - again just a failsafe to ensure the coating(s) have fully cured without getting interrupted by chemicals, getting rained on of course isn't a problem.

 

I tried bc-05 when it first came out, a fair while ago admittedly but it was a little fussy in application if memory serves me right, certainly something I've not revisited. 

On a side note it's much like polishes or in fact most other products in that what works for one person may not work for another.

 

Just don't waste your time or money on one of the many coatings that hit the market every week claiming to reinvent the wheel!...you'll notice these come and go without you noticing.

 

cheers

 

Chris

 

Thanks again Chris

 

All very true, what works for one.....  I'm certainly looking into the ceramic coatings to provide an extra option for clients but still love using waxes and sealants. 

 

My understanding is there are four main producers of the ceramic coatings in Japan, so companies often rebrand one of the four supplied products, so I guess that fits in with what you say about new products coming and going. 

 

I'll try one and if I like it I'll probably stick with it.  I like to have my 'go to' products for each part of the detailing process, ones I know are cost and time effective but give great results time and time again.

 

Cheers

 

David

Hi, 

 

This looks like my next product to try. Just looking for your personal experiences with Essence. Do you put an LSP over this, if so do you go traditional with a wax or sealant or do you prefer a more durable finish such as CarPro CQUK?

All the best

Chubbs

Hi Chubbs,

 

New here but have been using Essence for a while now and the results are stunning.

 

here is my car after essence and 3 different ceramic Coatings.

 

 

Thanks

Hi,

Hi Chubbs,

New here but have been using Essence for a while now and the results are stunning.

here is my car after essence and 3 different ceramic Coatings.

Thanks

Welcome to Briskoda!

Car looks mint, can be difficult to get such a look from white. How do you usually apply Essence and what coatings did you use? Any preference on coatings and reason why?

All the best

David

The trick with essence is to not use it like a polish as such but like a glaze, I find a soft chemical guys hex logic pad after compounding and polishing is best then to let it settle for 3 hours or so ...the difference you get is massive from letting it settle.

Coatings wise me and a friend have tested many combos for a while and the 1st layer needs to be durable such as gtecniq csl

The second layer needs the gloss factor something like SiRamik sc15 or cquk, the last layer is you hydrophobic layer something like gtecniq exo or gyeon durabead. But essence plays abut part as it is a primer for the 1st coating to bond to

The trick with essence is to not use it like a polish as such but like a glaze, I find a soft chemical guys hex logic pad after compounding and polishing is best then to let it settle for 3 hours or so ...the difference you get is massive from letting it settle.

Coatings wise me and a friend have tested many combos for a while and the 1st layer needs to be durable such as gtecniq csl

The second layer needs the gloss factor something like SiRamik sc15 or cquk, the last layer is you hydrophobic layer something like gtecniq exo or gyeon durabead. But essence plays abut part as it is a primer for the 1st coating to bond to

Thanks, interesting use of coatings!