2 hours ago, ahenners said:

 

That's exactly what I do, I log into an app after each fill up. It's always within 0.5mpg or less of the "Since refuel" figure

 

Please tell me that's diesel. Please.

20 minutes ago, Mallettsmallett said:

 

Please tell me that's diesel. Please.

 

Nope.. TSI DSG  I'd want to be tank averaging close to 50 if it was diesel!

Edited 25 March, 20179 yr by ahenners

Mine is mostly urban so I'm a fair bit less than that 

Hey guys and girls,

 

Thank you so much for your advice.

 

I've just gone and done it. I've put a deposit down and I'm now officially a Skoda Owner (and also poor). I went for a petrol VRS TSI estate, manual, in black.

 

Can't wait to collect it next week!

Edited 25 March, 20179 yr by CestrianGuy

If it's not the black pack, get the black grille surround. Takes ten mins to do and looks lovely.

42 minutes ago, CestrianGuy said:

Hey guys and girls,

 

Thank you so much for your advice.

 

I've just gone and done it. I've put a deposit down and I'm now officially a Skoda Owner (and also poor). I went for a petrol VRS TSI estate, manual, in black.

 

Can't wait to collect it next week!

 

Congrats! I'm sure you won't regret it! Black grille on black car looks awesome as above!

Ahenners mate, what app is that? Fuelly? 

8 minutes ago, CestrianGuy said:

Ahenners mate, what app is that? Fuelly? 

 

Fuellog pro, though it also has a free version. Android only though I think.

Thanks. Good job I have android :-)

Ahenners and other petrol vRS owners; are you using 95RON or 98/99RON petrol for that economy? I have recently been using 99RON from tesco or costco; it is around 4% more expensive but does seem to give me 3% or so better economy.....

9 hours ago, CestrianGuy said:

Ahenners and other petrol vRS owners; are you using 95RON or 98/99RON petrol for that economy? I have recently been using 99RON from tesco or costco; it is around 4% more expensive but does seem to give me 3% or so better economy.....

 

I can only get 95RON.

10 hours ago, CestrianGuy said:

Ahenners and other petrol vRS owners; are you using 95RON or 98/99RON petrol for that economy? I have recently been using 99RON from tesco or costco; it is around 4% more expensive but does seem to give me 3% or so better economy.....

 

Only ever put supermarket 95 Ron in it because I'm a tight wad. Usually Tesco because there's one by work, but sometimes Morrisons or Asda if I'm passing. I am tempted to treat it to a couple of tanks of Shell's good stuff for the supposed additives soon. 

 

By the way if you use the @  symbol followed by the username in a post you can effectively tag someone and they will get a notification they were mentioned in a post

 

 

^^^ Does the Tesco Filling station you go to not have Tesco Momentum 99 which is 99 octane minimum just as the Shell V-Power Nitro+ does and @ only 5 pence a litre more for Tesco 99 compared to 95 ron ?

As to the 'supposed additives', Greenergy puts detergents in just as Royal Dutch Shell does and maybe even the same ones, 

after all they share UK Importing Facilities that the co-own, and storage etc. 

http://greenergy.com/uk/independent 

Edited 26 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

29 minutes ago, Awayoffski said:

^^^ Does the Tesco Filling station you go to not have Tesco Momentum 99 which is 99 octane minimum just as the Shell V-Power Nitro+ does and @ only 5 pence a litre more for Tesco 99 compared to 95 ron ?

As to the 'supposed additives', Greenergy puts detergents in just as Royal Dutch Shell does and maybe even the same ones, 

after all they share UK Importing Facilities that the co-own, and storage etc. 

http://greenergy.com/uk/independent 

 

They do, and I have a Clubcard Credit Card so extra points I guess too! Always thought that V Power was supposed to be the best though for its additives and cleaning agents, though there isn't any physical proof about that... 

Advertising might have lead you to believe their 'Secret Additive packages / detergents' are needed or the best, 

so just try them and see, but they are nothing special and do you want detergents or just the Octane and performance or efficiency of the fuel you buy.

Tesco Momentum 99 might be as good or as i believe better as the 99 ron minimum is often as good as 100-102 ron you get on the continent 

or the Hiperflo 250 102ron i sometimes use @ double the price of pump fuel.

Edited 26 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

I found with my Hyundai that 99RON from tesco or costco generally almost paid for itself with increased mpg (about 2-3% increase in mpg, almost but not quite offsetting the increased per litre charge. That's because as Awayoffski says, the price differential for momentum vs regular at tesco is only 5p. Some stations charge a lot more for their super unleaded though, so they're not worth it.

I'm impressed that you could actually detect a 2 to 3% consumption difference in a Hyundai.

It is a fun topic and both sides are passionate about their viewpoint.

 

Personally I fall in the middle camp, if the car engine is designed to utilise the extra octane rating then there will be benefits (about the 1% per higher Octane rating you refer to). If the engine is not able to use the higher octane then it is generally a waste of money.

 

The lowest rating fuel here in Australia and the one that most non European cars are designed to utilise is 91 RON.

The manual for my 14 yo Toyota Echo (Yaris?) candidly says 91 Octane and anything else is a waste.

The Mazda 'skyactive' engines sold here have a slightly lower compression ratio compared to Europe to enable use of 91 Ron.

Interestingly their latest turbo 2.5L 'skyactive' engine used in the new CX9 can run anything from 91 to 98+ RON. I don't know about consumption but they do claim torque and power increases (17kw) for the higher rated fuel, but you would expect up to 7% better consumption.

The primary market for Mazda is the USA and they have equally low rated fuel as us.

 

I tried a few tanks of 98 RON on my 1.4tsi and could not detect any improvement whatsoever so I am happy with the performance and economy I get with the recommended 95 RON. I do avoid any partial Ethanol based fuel though, it might have the required RON but Ethanol has lower calorific value.

 

The latest fuel adverts here (BP I think) says that if you run two tanks of their best fuel in any car then you will get improved performance and economy and actually PROVE this by showing an animation of little pacman characters gobbling up all the dirt in your tank and fuel system.

I'm sure this appeals to some, but I prefer hard data.

 

At the end of the day it is what the consumer is happy with that counts, certainly no damage with running higher than recommended octanes and it would not surprise me if the vRS tsi is truly able to better utilise the higher rating than my car.

 

 

Edited 27 March, 20179 yr by Gerrycan

In the UK where VW Group might recommend 98 / Super it is not available as it is  for Mainland Europe so you would have to exceed that as 98 Ron is not sold in the UK anymore, or not do as they recommend.

 

Super Unleaded is 97 ron unless you buy 99 ron from the retailers that have it, 

ie Tesco, Shell, Costco or some other Retailer in Northern Ireland.

What VW state as the Minimum 95 is what is very common but Sainsburys has Super Unleaded 97 ron that costs no more than Shell, BP, ESSO, Gulf etc might take for 95 ron unleaded.

Just £2.50-£3 extra a tank lets you know yourself if worth buying.

'Winter Spec petrol should not be getting delivered now to UK filling stations', some might notice a difference good or bad with the Summer Spec fuel being used from April on.

http://volkswagen.co.uk/need-help/owners/Fuel 

 

BP Australia do different fuels around the world, as do Royal Dutch Shell.

But what ever any say about 'May do more', that could be true.

like NIKE said. JUST DO IT. or Do NOT, You are best placed to know if it is more efficient.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Octane_rating

 

Edited 27 March, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

On 25 March 2017 at 07:35, ahenners said:

Just thought I'd add a pic to confirm the mpg I posted on the first page. That's door to door from a cold start with a full tank. Cruise set to 70mph on motorway. Always calculate manually the mpg after each refuel and my trip computer is always on the money or within 0.5mpg.

 

Got to say I'm loving this car, it's the perfect all rounder and I'm glad I went Petrol DSG. The engine is a peach and the gearbox combination is great! You know what to do OP....

 

Ahenners mate, to get this kind of fuel efficiency how are you driving? I get you set cruise control at 70 mph on the motorway, but do you have to hypermile it all the time and spend 5 minutes to get to 70, or does this include some periods of enjoying the power, so to speak?

 

i'm loving the car so far (though the most I've got so far is 38mpg, more often in the range 34-37 and driving fairly conservatively). I'm hoping it's not quite run in yet at 6000miles.....

 

Cheers.

26 minutes ago, CestrianGuy said:

 

Ahenners mate, to get this kind of fuel efficiency how are you driving? I get you set cruise control at 70 mph on the motorway, but do you have to hypermile it all the time and spend 5 minutes to get to 70, or does this include some periods of enjoying the power, so to speak?

 

i'm loving the car so far (though the most I've got so far is 38mpg, more often in the range 34-37 and driving fairly conservatively). I'm hoping it's not quite run in yet at 6000miles.....

 

Cheers.

 

No hypermiling - it's far too much effort and I generally just want to get to work or get home. Enjoying the power is very subjective - there isn't usually a huge amount of scope to do this legally when commuting in peak traffic, and I do observe the speed limits. I do however use the power to get up to the speed limits quickly. DSG is set to eco mode, with some manual use around town - it sometimes irritates me when it holds onto gears longer than necessary, and has a tendency to do this more when cold.

 

I work and live about 5-10 mins either side of motorways, so whilst there is peak commuting traffic on the roads between home/motorway and work/motorway, these sections are quite small and do not make up the bulk of the journey. Start/Stop is used at traffic lights or queuing traffic. On slip roads I get up to 70mph quickly (i.e. on the slip road) mainly using the torque rather than redlining it. Beyond that there isn't really anything else to it. I'm sure if I sat at 56mph behind a lorry I could achieve closer to 50mpg for a relatively short trip (23 miles). I recently completed a 200 mile each way trip on 2 separate days last week. The journey there averaged an indicated 48.8mpg and 49.6mpg on the return. Again cruise set to 70mph with no particular effort focused on achieving a high mpg, and had I tried, I would have broken low to mid 50's I think. The difference between the indicated "Since refuel" mpg figure and the actual calculated figure for the tank after refuelling was 0.7mpg. So the trip computer was pretty accurate.

 

Maybe it will get better as it gets more miles on it. I bought mine used at 15k and it's now on 22k so I can't comment on the running in period. It does seem better at 22k than when I first got it, but perhaps I've subconsciously learnt how to achieve better mpg over those 7k.

Edited 5 April, 20179 yr by ahenners

Ok thanks that's quite encouraging then. By 'enjoying the power' I didn't so much mean redlining it all the time but rather the occasional quick burst of power to get up to speed on the slip road or to get into a space in a line of traffic or to see off a tailgater etc. So hopefully I should be able to do this and at least keep to my high 30s target once I've got used to it. 

 

I do love the car though, thanks for your encouragement to buy it I think I made the right choice!

 

 

mine has covered just a 1000 miles so far and my average is 30mpg, if I drive it sensibly I can squeeze 35mpg on motorway but then I might as well have a 1,4TSI!! I don't believe anyone can get over 40mpg unless the car really does bed in after a certain mileage?

3 hours ago, CestrianGuy said:

I do love the car though, thanks for your encouragement to buy it I think I made the right choice!

 

Of course you did. If you drive it gentle, TSI will reward you with decent consumption figures. It is enough to know that under your right foot there is a real beast.

 

I drive gently but not slow. My figures are 35-37 mpg per refueling. My previous car was Alfa Romeo 159 diesel, and driving same routes in the same manner didn't get more then 40mpg, so it is not such a huge difference (10y old diesel vs actual petrol engine). To be honest, I was expecting much bigger difference.

 

BTW, congratulations on your new car. Great choice, lovely to see not everybody is buying diesels these days.

Thought I'd update this thread and @nidza, @ahenners, you're totally right about the gentle thing. You can get decent economy out of this beast if you know how. 

 

I find I do drive slower than I used to now I have this car, and I really think it's just knowing that I have a nuke under my right foot makes me feel I don't need to race anymore. In fact, I find it far more relaxing just cruising round gently below the speed limit 98% of the time, just reserving warp speed 3 for teaching boy racers or tailgaters lessons when they try it on. I have embarrassed some peeps in very expensive german machinery before now. 

 

On a trip to work (24 miles, of which around 18 are motorway) if I stick to a reasonable speed and even allowing the odd burst of speed to see off tailgaters, I see up to 40mpg on the trip computer. If I drive like an old woman this goes up to about 43, and if I'm a bit frisky without going too mad, about 37. 

 

At the pumps, and allowing for a bit of round town driving at the weekend, my overall mpg is 37, though I have seen 41 on one week. I did hypermile one single trip (on a single carriageway A road at 50mph one night when there was nothing else around), just to see how much mpg I could theoretically get, and I managed 53mpg for that journey. Was boring though.

 

Overall, given the huge performance on tap for those odd occasions you need it and the huge practicality, this car is awesome. You just cant get this practicality, fun and economy in one car without spending a shed load more in any other brand. 

 

 

 

 

My VRS220 has done just over 10k and the overall mpg is showing as 39.7. Most of the week I tend to do local journeys which will have pulled consumption figures down. I bought the car for the acceleration and use it liberally when I get the chance. Even so, when I do get out on dual carriageways, I am always surprised by it's meagre (for the horsepower on tap) thirst. I regularly get 42-44 mpg on a 200 mile motorway trip; maintaining a steady speed is the significant factor no doubt.