Hi Awayoffski -  each to his own, I suppose.

 

And despite the EU still controlling my life (even down to how many breaths I'm allowed to take per minute), I don't personally hold with run flat tyres (& irrespective of the EU, we still have some freedom of choice) - & I hold to the dictum that if the Good Lord had wanted people to be fitted out with run flats, he wouldn't have first created tyres that were as round at the bottom as they were at the top!

 

I very much prefer having a "bog standard" spare wheel in the boot (where it's been from time immemorial) & not being told that a "run flat" is all things to all men, or indeed, that an inflator & a tin of gunk is an equally suitable replacement.   Mr Skoda (& other manufacturers) obviously agree, otherwise he wouldn't offer a S/S wheel & tyre for just £50 (if you order it as the same time as the car) or £150, if you order it later.

 

And yeah (I know that there's "warnings" out there - the first one (in the case of a blowout) is usually finding that one is driving along in the bottom of the ditch, rather than on the road, & for a puncture, there's this "slappy" noise assailing the ears - noticing that the warning light is on, tends to happen later. 

 

But we're all entitled to have our own opinions - in this instance, mine just happens to differ from yours.

 

Not me mentioning 'Run Flats',.

Anyone that has had them on a MINI / BMW will know just how 'Unsporty' they are.

 

The TPMS Legislation came about and the simple system VW Group use because people might have a deflated run flat and not even notice.

 

I carry 2 spares in areas where 1 or 2 wrecked tyres can be a major issue on a trip, or bank holiday or even just wildest far flung parts of Scotland like 30 miles up a glen.

Hi Michael

 

Well, we now have our new Citigo Colour in MY17 guise which means we now have all those goodies that Skoda should have fitted in the first place, parcel shelf strings, boot light and two window switches on the drivers door

 

The tyres fitted to the 15 inch wheels are Bridgestone Ecopia, I've not had Bridgestones for years, so will be interested to see how these fare. I checked our 14" spare wheel diameter from the SE against the new 15" wheels and they seem to be the same, so quite happy with that as a 'get you home' low speed spare, much better that the gunk kit that was originally in the boot. Back home and the rubber mats and boot mat from the SE are now fitted, fully cleaned of course.

 

As far as the radio etc is concerned, I've discovered I can play my iPod 3 ways! Through the USB connection, Bluetooth or aux in socket. To make life easier for SWMBO, I'm going to put all her music and other stuff for the grandkids on the SD card, it's much easier to use than the iPod and there won't be any trailing cables. One disappointment is that my Garmin sat nav won't fit in the supplied phone holder, so I now have a choice to make, do away with the phone holder and stick a nice round plastic disk in its place for the satnav to sit on like I did with my SE, or delete a load of stuff from my iPhone (kids games, photos etc) to make room for the Skoda navigation maps.

 

Another surprise is the gearbox, there must have been an update in the last 3 years as we now have to press the gear lever down when selecting reverse.

 

hope the above is of interest and I'm not rambling on too much

 

Steve

Sorry (very sorry) Awayoffski, it was in fact Citigouk - I got mixed up with (what's diplomatically referred to) as an "old age" moment, so put the confusion down to old age..

Dunt change my opinions about run flats though.  Unfortunately, the Boot on a Citigo is hard pressed to cope with even one S/S, least of all two, but as the car doesn't run on uni-directionals, it's all academic.  And with all due respect to VAG, a TPMS will never replace the (Mark 1) kick to the tyre before getting in.

 

And to Steve, 

VMT for taking the time & trouble to report on your new Colour Edition - may it give you much pleasure & many trouble-free miles of motoring - or as Esso used to say in their 1950's TV Commercials "Velly appy motelling".   Your comments about the changes are much appreciated - although on my 2015 model, I already do have 2 window switches on the drivers's door - the strings for the parcel shelf & the boot light are very welcome innovations, though.

 

But I do wish that you wouldn't confuse a geriatric old dropout, by airily referring to "USB's, Bluetooth or aux socket" you may just as well be speaking in "tongues".      I did, in a former life, actually possess an iPod (cost me a packet too), but I rarely used it, and in the end, I accepted defeat, & gave it to a deserving cause -  someone who did appreciate gizmo's like that. 

 

I get the impression though (at least I think that I do) that a bog standard Sat Nav won't fit in the new cradle as one would expect/hope?    I suppose that when I bool my car in at the end of the PCP, I'm going to have to leave the supplied Garmin in it?   Mind you, if it doesn't fit, then I won't have lost anything.    Presumably if I buy a SOTA Tom Tom or another Garmin, "someone" will also flog me the means of having it on display, or at the very least, explain how I should be able to display it?????       I don't mind admitting ignorance - I find that if one does, there's always someone falling over themselves to air their knowledge & come up with an answer.

 

You may have "possibly" convinced me that I should hang on to my 14" S/S, (as I hope that I won't need it anyway), just in case!      I "think" & it's only some 15 mins since I actually hopped out of the car, that I too have to press down when selecting reverse.     Amazing, innit, you do this time & time again, but if someone asks whether you have to - the immediate reaction is "Er, Pass!". 

 

I had a quick butchers about the Ecopias -  they seem to be OK(ish) & light years better than the Krappy ones that were fitted to mine, although perhaps not in the same league for grip in the dry (& even more importantly in UK) the wet, or more importantly to me, the "comfort" issue.  In most respects, the Nokian Weatherproofs, the Goodyear 4seasons & the Michelin Cross Climates seem to be the current state of the art - with the Michelins way out in front, albeit with a slight 1 db increase in noise levels, & a fairly hefty price penalty.     Although technology moves on at such a pace these days, that as soon as one tyre manufacturer draws ahead, the competitors bring out an updated version of their own product, and levels the playing field again.

 

But many thanks for Posting your impressions of your new Colour Edition, & jus' "keep on truckin".

 

Edited 31 May, 20179 yr by Michaelski

Thanks Michael, I must admit to being a bit of a technophile having been around PC's and their like until I retired 11 years ago, so since then have progressed through PC's to Mac's IPhone, Pods, and Pads but even the new radio in the Citigo has defeated me at the moment with its hands free option. However, I have just downloaded the updated manual from Skoda which appears to have more info than the printed one that came with the car. I was surprised that there is no longer a separate manual for the radio as it's contained in the main manual.

 

Diverting slightly off topic, I must admit to a yearning to return to driving a Superb when I was in the showroom this morning whilst waiting for the necessary paperwork to be completed.  I replaced mine 5 years ago with an S Max when I discovered that 2 baby seats in the back made it very uncomfortable for an adult in the middle. Maybe when the two smaller GK's start school next year I'll be able to 'regress' back to the Superb. Unless of course SWMBO declares we only need one car (Citigo)! - plus my Stag which I justify as an investment

13 hours ago, Michaelski said:

Sorry (very sorry) Awayoffski, it was in fact Citigouk  

 

And with all due respect to VAG, a TPMS will never replace the (Mark 1) kick to the tyre before getting in.

 

You may have "possibly" convinced me that I should hang on to my 14" S/S, (as I hope that I won't need it anyway), just in case! 

 

Indeed i only mentioned the runflats as its away German brands overcome the differing front and rear wheel/tyre sizes....... an thus removing the need for temporary or full spare wheel ... with the added bonus of the potential build cost reductions.

 

In respect of TPMS it is a good idea, the Mark 1 idea shouldn't ever be replaced  but if your on the move the system does have its benefits if the car is able to advise the exact tyre which has an issue... not just a dash warning which is generic to all tyres.

 

 

 

I've had my first ever experience on our BMW and although i was annoyed by the picking up of nail (tyre has 6mm remaining) the BMW was drive-able (home) and the run flat essentially did its job... but what BMW and others do not advise you is your nailed tyre is only good for the bin and replacement can take 24-48hours.... leaving you unlikely to use your car.

 

If you can hang onto you 14" Steel spare i would, we actually ordered our Citigo with the 14" spare and then went further to have set of winter tyres on 14" steels just in case.

 

My SEAT Alhambra came with no Spare Wheel or Jack or Puncture Repair Foam / inflator or any kit incase of punctures.

 

Instead it came with Continental ContiSeal tyres.

These are not run flats. they need the object that punctured the tyre removed, inflated again as soon as you can.

No use with a wrecked tyre obviously, but then anyone with 2 wrecked tyres is usually up a creak without 2 spare paddles.

 

So for winter trips a pair of Winter Tyres on Rims were purchased to go on and the wheels off were going to be a pair of spares to carry on trips along with a trolley jack, wheel wedges and tools. 

(Never bought Continental ContSeal Winters though.)

As this winter went they were not required to be put on the car.

 

Continental tyres :German Engineering....

 

 

Edited 1 June, 20179 yr by Awayoffski

Hi Citigouk,

Point taken, but just a some few years ago, I do well remember being stuck on a Spanish plane runway in the Canaries for something like 4-5 hours (I think that the elastic band to the port engine had broken) & having an intense chat (actually, an intense listening to) the guy in the next seat.      He wasn't actually the most riveting conversationalist, but by trade he was a tyre fitter, and he did know his subject  - so in my book, was obviously worth listening to. 

One of the points that he emphasised, was that neither he or any of his fellow workers (or indeed, anyone else that he knew who was in the business) would repair punctured tyres  that had been temporarily repaired with the tin of gunk - no matter how new the tyre, they were simply binned, and the poor owner told that it was irreparable.   According to this hombre, not only did it take a colossal period of time to get rid of the gunk, but there were also "health" issues involved.   So they took the "easy option" & simply binned the tyre, & gave the owner the option of either buying a new tyre, or going home on just 3 wheels.

The lesson obviously stuck with me, & although I do have an inflator & a tin of "goo" in the boot, I also have the S/S wheel as well.   When the car goes back, the tin of goo will go with it, & the spare will stay with me.    Being more "tyre aware! than ever I was, I would never now buy a car that had run-flat tyres: varying tyres sizes front & rear, or indeed without a spare wheel.   Technology may indeed have moved on, but my mind set is shrouded in antiquity.

 

And as far as the TPMS is concerned, I read somewhere that it's nothing all that technical, just that the rolling distance of each wheel is built into the gubbins, & if one wheel takes longer/shorter to turn full circle, then the system "assumes" that there must be a puncture, & flags up accordingly.     Hypothetically, one could deflate all 4 tyres, & then set the new rolling distance manually, & the TPMS would assume that all was in order.  So this particular system isn't all that sophisticated.    Equally, one could perhaps over-inflate just one tyre, & (assuming that the system hadn't been reset) the TPMS would leap into action.

So to me, it's just a tool (a possibly useful tool) but not the be-all-&-end-all.

 

I'm too old in the tooth to be swayed by car manufacturers' propaganda.  

Total Myth on how long to remove Tyre Weld that has been put into a tyre.  Plenty Tyres fitters just refuse to do it though.

 

Some gunks are messier than others, some are just a rubbery mess, some people put in loads, forget about it and end up with Golf Ball sized balls of rubber and remember when they get a off balance wobble or rumble.

Hi Steve,

 

"hands free radio"???  I can cope (just) with my current radio: whilst pushing a button is well within my limitations, & even adjusting the bass/treble is (although the sweat may stand out on my brow in the process) something that I can eventually get to grips with.  But in my book, "if you can't work it, then you don't need it" - it's served me all through my life.

 

And of course you must brainwash SWMBO into accepting that a Triumph??? Stag is more of an investment than merely a plaything (it's a man thing).  I always hankered after a Stag myself, but I could never run to buying one.   When I did have a few more shekels, Stags had been withdrawn & Deutschland Uber Alles ruled the car world - at least until the Japanese creed of "Bluy Blitish" made huge inroads, & attracted me.

 

After long (& hard) thinking, I've decided that for me, the City car route is the only route forward.   Very high 50's/very low 60's mpg in day-to-day running (with mid 70's on a less than a head-down, arse-up run): cheapest insurance: & (until Georgie Porgie's latest abysmal invasion of our wealth) no RFL: comfortable enough (define "enough") though more sound proofing would be welcome: being able to run at the legal speed limit (+50% more if needed) quite technologically-advanced engines (& they'll improve even more in the next 2-3 years) more than enough room for SWMBO & I (& on occasions, one, if not both, or our 6 feet+ sons - apart from having a small boot, I did read that there's as much passenger space in a Citigo as a Fabia?): total (I'm possibly pushing my luck somewhat here) reliability, etc etc etc.  

When I think back to my last car (a TOTR Wolwo) I shelled out £Thousands for some of things that came as standard on the Citigo - like heated seats, sat nav etc.      Nope, I'll happily accept the fact that I won't be able to scorch away from traffic lights, or won't be tempted to utilise the performance available from a faster car -means that I don't have to worry about mobile cash machines (aka Speed Partnership Speed traps) as much as I previously did.     Each to his own, & whilst it took me years to learn some common sense & moderation, with advancing years comes a modicum of more awareness.

 

 

 

Hi Awayoffski,

I can only repeat what the tyre-fitting hombre told me, although we both seem to be in agreement that whole shed loads of tyre fitters will not even try to repair a goo-filled tyre.    Even crossing their palms with silver (gold even) doesn't seem to tempt them.   So Nopeski, if I have a puncture, I'll whop on the spare, & if it all comes down to the bitter end, I'd sooner shell out for a "branny" than shoot in a load of gunge.   The EU notwithstanding, we still have some freedom of choice.

Over the years it has mostly been motor cyclists caught out  that have welcomed me shooting my load into their valves.

But there has been the odd car driver or caravanner.

 

Sometimes the devils spawn can save the day, or the weekend.

Hi Awayoffski,

 

It's OK (I suppose) for me to airily wipe my hands of all things "gooish", but in truth, I haven't had a puncture for as many years as I can remember (Gawd, there's me now tempting fate) but whilst I continue to have a Citigo, & whilst I continue to have a spare, that's "Bish, bash, bosh, job done" (as the woman in the Kellogg's Wheaty Bangs TV advert says.

 

No amount of brainwashing, propaganda, or even sound, sensible logic, is likely to convince a geriatric drop out of the advantages of having something that they're dead set against (ask the Old Memsahib)  - we (at least I) remain happy in our total rejection of anything that is alien to us. 

 

Thought for today - dropping down dead can be harmful to your health!

 

 

4 hours ago, Michaelski said:

Hi Citigouk,

And as far as the TPMS is concerned, I read somewhere that it's nothing all that technical, just that the rolling distance of each wheel is built into the gubbins, & if one wheel takes longer/shorter to turn full circle, then the system "assumes" that there must be a puncture, & flags up accordingly.     Hypothetically, one could deflate all 4 tyres, & then set the new rolling distance manually, & the TPMS would assume that all was in order.  So this particular system isn't all that sophisticated.    Equally, one could perhaps over-inflate just one tyre, & (assuming that the system hadn't been reset) the TPMS would leap into action.

So to me, it's just a tool (a possibly useful tool) but not the be-all-&-end-all. 

Thats not the case for BMW, they monitor the pressures and work on RAG status to each tyre. I have tried lowering the pressures and they both alerted on the display which i have shown you above and on the tyre monitoring screen.... example below is when i got a puncture on front tyre last year.

 

BTW with the type of performance the BMW enjoys i only replace tyres in two's

 

On 31/05/2017 at 17:43, SteveJP said:

Hi Michael

 

Well, we now have our new Citigo Colour in MY17 guise which means we now have all those goodies that Skoda should have fitted in the first place, parcel shelf strings, boot light and two window switches on the drivers door

 

The tyres fitted to the 15 inch wheels are Bridgestone Ecopia, I've not had Bridgestones for years, so will be interested to see how these fare. I checked our 14" spare wheel diameter from the SE against the new 15" wheels and they seem to be the same, so quite happy with that as a 'get you home' low speed spare, much better that the gunk kit that was originally in the boot. Back home and the rubber mats and boot mat from the SE are now fitted, fully cleaned of course.

 

As far as the radio etc is concerned, I've discovered I can play my iPod 3 ways! Through the USB connection, Bluetooth or aux in socket. To make life easier for SWMBO, I'm going to put all her music and other stuff for the grandkids on the SD card, it's much easier to use than the iPod and there won't be any trailing cables. One disappointment is that my Garmin sat nav won't fit in the supplied phone holder, so I now have a choice to make, do away with the phone holder and stick a nice round plastic disk in its place for the satnav to sit on like I did with my SE, or delete a load of stuff from my iPhone (kids games, photos etc) to make room for the Skoda navigation maps.

 

Another surprise is the gearbox, there must have been an update in the last 3 years as we now have to press the gear lever down when selecting reverse.

 

hope the above is of interest and I'm not rambling on too much

 

Steve

For the cradle where the phone would go, it's still the same size as the previous PID isn't it? It's just that there's no 'pins' to connect to the canbus? So in theory you should still be able to attach the old PID with the previous cradle from past Citigo's. 

 

It just means you'll be able to use the satnav (no other feature I'd assume) as I'm sure it has its own audio output on the PID unit. 

 

But to be honest it's probably not worth doing as you'll need to charge the PID yourself everyday for use in the car. 

 

Its an idea though. 

I know most people would consider the TPMS as a safeguard if they get a slow puncture and it's reassuring to know that if a tyre begins to deflate at speed you get some early warning which could be a life saver.

I had a different experience recently which was more than useful. I was setting off on a weeks break to Scotland and had the car well loaded. I had slightly inflated the tyres to beyond the norm but only a mile into the journey, as the tyres warmed, the TPMS warning sounded. Always carrying a compressor with me I was able to stop and inflate the tyres to a safe pressure before completing my trip which lasted around 1150 miles in total.  I'm well pleased with the system.

Hi Citigouk,

Now that's what I call an all-singing, all-dancing, happy-clappy TPMS.  

I'm most envious - I have to make do with the basic, unsophisticated, primitive, Mark 1, coal-driven Skoda model.     This would tell me that "somewhere" there is a possible pressure problem with a tyre (albeit, perm any one from four) - could be one that's under-inflated, or even one that's over-inflated. 

Whatever, I have to carry out a check, with an initial success rate of no more than 25%) although that then rises to 33%, & then 50% as further tyres are eliminated, until you eventually zero in to the correct tyre..

 

And whilst the Citigo has but a pale percentage of the performance of a Beamer, I too only replace my tyres in pairs - or even all 4 at a time, a few hundred quid is neither there nor there in the greater scheme of things.

 

But as far as the TPMS is concerned , it just proves the old saying - you gets wot you pay for, & you don't get wot you don't not pay for.

 

 

And to horkin,

Presumably??? you hadn't reset the TPMS when you (slightly) over inflated your tyres?   Or I am barking up the totally wrong arbre?

I normally over-inflate by a Pound or two, when doing a long(ish) journey, but I always reset the TPMS at the same time.   Rightly or wrongly, I assume that when you set the TPMS, it then only reacts to a difference in the rolling distance of the new setting?   Or is the damned thing so sensitive, that even the RR of an slightly over-inflated tyre registers? 

 

To Jonny118118 (really getting value for money here)

I'll have to pass on that - my info is that this new Cradle is light years different from the pre-MY2017 models, & I assume therefore that the Mark1 PID just doesn't fit the new cradle, not nohow.  But I stand to be corrected by those with better & more personal knowledge.        In my case I see from the PCP "instructions" that the car has to be returned as it was sold - which means that the PID, Sat Nav, Cradle (baby & all) will have to be returned with the car?   If incorrect, someone will tell me.   Having said that, if I'm wrong & I do go for another Citigo, I'd be quite happy to shell out the necessary Lsd (showing my age here) for a new PID.    Or would I be better (whichever car I next go for) to simply buy a TOTR Tom Tom/Garmin, with a state of the art cradle? 

 

On 01/06/2017 at 18:00, Citigouk said:

Thats not the case for BMW, they monitor the pressures and work on RAG status to each tyre. I have tried lowering the pressures and they both alerted on the display which i have shown you above and on the tyre monitoring screen.... example below is when i got a puncture on front tyre last year.

 

BTW with the type of performance the BMW enjoys i only replace tyres in two's

 

 

You need to get busy with the E-Sys coding cable and add individual tyre temperatures as well.  

Edited 2 June, 20179 yr by ronime

17 hours ago, Michaelski said:

 

I too only replace my tyres in pairs - or even all 4 at a time, a few hundred quid is neither there nor there in the greater scheme of things.

 

 

One thing my father taught me many a year ago about tyres... along with buy the best tyres your budget can afford... as they are the main contact with the road.... buying cheaper tyres is a false economy.

 

He also would say the same about oil in the engine that buy the best your budget can afford, don't buy low cost.

Good advice but no longer actually factual.

 

OEM tyres replaced like for like might cost more but better tyres can be had for less money.

Like VW Group recommended 'Castrol' or Quantum, 

better oils available at less money. 

 

Shell V-Power Nitro+ or Tesco Momentum 99 or Costco Super Unleaded 99, does paying 5 pence a litre to for the Shell V-Power Nitro+ buy a better fuel 

or just give more profit to the retailer or supplier or cover the advertising and sponsorship world wide?

Hi Citigo,

We didn't have the same Father (did we Brother?) but my father told me exactly the same thing - except in his case, he went further & told me that "somehow" I should put my hands on the necessary money to buy TOTR tyres - his precise words being "just remember, your life depends on just 4 bits of rubber about the size of my hand".      Mind you, in those days, Cross Ply tyres were the norm - and they were indeed stone-age technology.

And the same about oil!          I had a good friend who worked for a huge chemical Company, & to test their oil products, they ran a fleet of cars which were driven every single day of the week, & came in just once pm for the engines to be stripped down & the tolerances measured against the factory settings.  The engine oil was drained & refilled with new, once per week, and when the cars (& they were usually quality machines) had done 250k, they were offered to the workforce for "peanuts" - & there was always a long queue to buy them - he himself had bought 2, TOTR Mondeo's as I remember.

Anyway, the thinking then, was that one should change their oil as often as they could afford to - although technology has well moved on since those days - this was in the  mid 90's, but for the sake of a few quid, keeping the engine running on nice clean, golden lubricants can't be a bad thing.

& good Oil filters very important as well.

When i was an apprentice mechanic diesels were still getting oil changed at 3,000 mile intervals and petrol's at 6,000.

Before that then went to double the mileage on diesels.

Before that when still at school & on the pumps at the filling station i was selling Redex at 2 shots per gallon of petrol.

My word, Awayoffski, those were the days: changing the oil in Diesels at 3,000 (coz oil wasn't so good then, & neither were the original coal-fired Diesel engines, but Petrol engine were regarded as just that "bit" better, & you could get away with a 6,000 oil change).     Also one had to change the Plugs at 12k, & I well remember booling into a F/S & asking for 4 gallons (2/6 per gall in those days) & 8 "shots" (at one penny per shot) also in general, cars could only "do" 30,000 before one had to have the Head removed, and the valves "re-ground".   "Running in, please pass" was a oft-seen sticker in the back of cars - I doubt if you can actually buy one of those these days?     Takes me back a bit - to the bad old days.  Technology (thank the Good Lord) has progressed enormously.  In my formative years, it seemed to be only school teachers, college lecturers & farm hands who drove Diesels (virtually exclusively French variations), the remainder of the "steaming masses" drove petrols.

 

But is was indeed mandatory to have the Filter replaced when carrying out an oil change, otherwise it was rather like having a shower & then re-wearing the old "stinky" socks.

 

Apart from having a return to petrol at 12 1/2 p per gallon, I'm glad to see the back of those days.

I still have oil and filter changes on new cars after 1,000miles (like the good old days)....

On 2017-6-2 at 16:08, Michaelski said:

Hi Citigouk,

Now that's what I call an all-singing, all-dancing, happy-clappy TPMS.  

I'm most envious - I have to make do with the basic, unsophisticated, primitive, Mark 1, coal-driven Skoda model.     This would tell me that "somewhere" there is a possible pressure problem with a tyre (albeit, perm any one from four) - could be one that's under-inflated, or even one that's over-inflated. 

Whatever, I have to carry out a check, with an initial success rate of no more than 25%) although that then rises to 33%, & then 50% as further tyres are eliminated, until you eventually zero in to the correct tyre..

 

And whilst the Citigo has but a pale percentage of the performance of a Beamer, I too only replace my tyres in pairs - or even all 4 at a time, a few hundred quid is neither there nor there in the greater scheme of things.

 

But as far as the TPMS is concerned , it just proves the old saying - you gets wot you pay for, & you don't get wot you don't not pay for.

 

 

And to horkin,

Presumably??? you hadn't reset the TPMS when you (slightly) over inflated your tyres?   Or I am barking up the totally wrong arbre?

I normally over-inflate by a Pound or two, when doing a long(ish) journey, but I always reset the TPMS at the same time.   Rightly or wrongly, I assume that when you set the TPMS, it then only reacts to a difference in the rolling distance of the new setting?   Or is the damned thing so sensitive, that even the RR of an slightly over-inflated tyre registers? 

 

To Jonny118118 (really getting value for money here)

I'll have to pass on that - my info is that this new Cradle is light years different from the pre-MY2017 models, & I assume therefore that the Mark1 PID just doesn't fit the new cradle, not nohow.  But I stand to be corrected by those with better & more personal knowledge.        In my case I see from the PCP "instructions" that the car has to be returned as it was sold - which means that the PID, Sat Nav, Cradle (baby & all) will have to be returned with the car?   If incorrect, someone will tell me.   Having said that, if I'm wrong & I do go for another Citigo, I'd be quite happy to shell out the necessary Lsd (showing my age here) for a new PID.    Or would I be better (whichever car I next go for) to simply buy a TOTR Tom Tom/Garmin, with a state of the art cradle? 

 

 

On 2017-6-2 at 16:08, Michaelski said:

 

Hi Michael yes I had reset the TPMS. I just thought perhaps once I put the extra load in and ran for a while, the tyres warmed and settled and gave a different rolling circumference to the one when I set it which was prior to loading the vehicle. I could be wrong?