Faults

[Garowe]

Picked up the car 2 days ago and I'm generally very pleased with it apart from a couple of things that make me question the quality of Skodas Quality Control. Firstly the Front Assist radar sensor isn't working. It intermittently displayed that the sensor was impeded and switched off on the drive back from picking the car up from Preston. Now it is permanently off. Also noticed very poorly fitted middle seat trim as it goes under the handle to fold them. See pics. Seen by local dealer who suspect they were cut too short and will have to replaced. Car booked in for 28th June. I'll update after. 

 

[romanv]

In one year, Skoda will become worse brand than Dacia. And I am going to be f**cked up for next 6 years, thanks to my (probably) wrong decision.

Edited 22 June, 2017 by romanv

[Mr Grump]

Yep, seems to be a few of us now with issues, QC has obviously slipped while they have been rushing the Kodiaq out.

At least it looks like they are ready to admit and rectify the issues, so don't give up yet romanv.

Edited 22 June, 2017 by Mr Grump

[romanv]

I am not. But I am praying for more delays.

[McGyles]

My first Škoda and i hope it won't be the last.....

[McGyles]

Check your seats first when the car is delivered!

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fekonomika.idnes.cz%2Fskoda-auto-kodiaq-vyroba-kvasiny-sedacka-ffb-%2Fekonomika.aspx%3Fc%3DA170603_192325_ekonomika_och&sandbox=1

[McGyles]

We are not alone!

 

Mercedes Benz launched it's GLC line in 2015 and this is what people who payed top dollar for their cars are experiencing - the wheels jump and clunck.

 

 

 

The official statement from MB was that this is NOT A SAFETY CONCERN and that owners should put on winter tyres, which doesn't fix the problem... And the problem is getting worse as miles add up.

 

 

"Your wheels are skipping, apart from that your vehicle is OK" LOL SERIOUSLY Like saying "Your car doesn't start and you get a check engine light, apart from that your vehicle is fine, try putting higher octane fuel in."

 

MB GLC class score on HonestJohn is still 5/5 while there are more complaints there than you can fit on the monitor.

 

https://www.honestjohn.co.uk/carbycar/mercedes-benz/glc-class-2015/?section=good

 

If you buy a more expensive car, that doesn't mean that you will be trouble free. Kodiaq problems are due to hype demand and lack of QC at production line and will be fixed under warranty, while GLC has design faults, which can't be fixed.

Edited 24 June, 2017 by McGyles

[andyvee]

On 2017-6-22 at 18:37, Garowe said:

Picked up the car 2 days ago and I'm generally very pleased with it apart from a couple of things that make me question the quality of Skodas Quality Control. Firstly the Front Assist radar sensor isn't working. It intermittently displayed that the sensor was impeded and switched off on the drive back from picking the car up from Preston. Now it is permanently off. Also noticed very poorly fitted middle seat trim as it goes under the handle to fold them. See pics. Seen by local dealer who suspect they were cut too short and will have to replaced. Car booked in for 28th June. I'll update after. 

 

Drive back from Preston? - Simpsons strike again with their appallingly low standards on the PDI - they should have picked up the radar issue at PDI, along with all the trim issues.

 

Check for transport blocks still being in the shocks as well - Simpsons have let at least one Kodiaq out of the door with them still in!

[McGyles]

Škoda in action - DAMAGE CONTROL.

 

1. Fix the faults

 

2. Show how super serial they are with a media-campaign

 

[Rooted]

The materials are not the issues, just the VW Group trying to screw down the income of the Contractors & Suppliers that make the seats, interiors etc and them revolting and saying enough.

Then the lack of quality control and the supervision, it was body preparation / paint / sealer etc like with the Yeti and others, 

interiors currently and who knows what next.

Is is Skoda at faulty or the VW Groups management?

 

VW trying to make up for fines and penalties around the world and in the US because they cheated to become the biggest in the world and then lost that and the drive to get there again and make profits means customers are the losers ultimately.

Edited 24 June, 2017 by Awayoffski

[McGyles]

Ofcourse materials are not at problem, my post was a sarcastic remark, how the managment of VW/Škoda thinks.

 

Problems with the seat suppliers -> no problem lets just put out a commercial how we are super serial about material testing to fix the issue.

 

It's the same as MB trying to obscure a major design fault in GLC with "you just need to drive with winter tyres, which you yourself must buy".

 

This is what happens when engineering positions are taken over by economists. You will see that in the next 30 years, BMW and MB will suffer the consequences of diverting their R&D into economy car teritory (A and B class and derivates, 1 and 2 series and derivates) and VW AG will slowly push Škoda in the place of their VW brand (keeping only Up!, Polo, Golf and concentrating on vans), while keeping Audi as their luxury brand - if they are smart.

 

QC with Kodiaq in these circumstances is not possible because they have already increased production quotes on the same line by 20-30%. You can't do that and mantain a sufficient QC. It's not the income the suppliers get screwed over, it's just the quantaty. The suppliers need to know in advance how much seats they will produce in the upcoming year, so that their capacities are filled and they are in the black, their only chance to manufacture more is to increase production capacity (build another factory and train more workers). This takes time and is a major and long term investment, they won't do that just for Kodiaq. Škoda will have to make an obligation, that it will buy increased quantaties for a longer period of time (about 5 years), which is a big commitment. 

 

In my opinion, Škoda shouldn't have increased production quotes at the expense of QC. If there is so much demand, expand the factory. Stop the Superb line for a year (until the factory annex is built) and start manufacturing Kodiaqs. They will need the additional space, when the Karoq gets availible for purchase. Or just kick out SEAT and let them manufacture Atteca in Spain. It's the Škoda managment (economists) wrong decision, because more they sell, bigger bonuses will be allocated to them by VW group managment. They don't see past their christmas bonus and what low quality cars will do to the Škoda image and the sales quotes for the years to come.

 

Problem with having economists on top is, they calculate their salaries very wisely before anthing else. Meaning a big increase in paycheck now is from an economical standpoint better than a decrease 5 years from now, when the sales quotes plumet or better yet get more money now, be promoted to the VW AG managment and let your successor at Škoda wory about fallout your greed has led to - decrease in Škoda sales.

[Rooted]

Lets see just how long before production of Kodiaq for North America and Canada start in VW owned facilities in the USA.

[McGyles]

Probably never because Škoda doesn't exist in North America. It's a too saturated market. Even BMW, Audi and MB had to lower their prices (and quality) for 15 years now to be able to compete (a BMW X5 costs 40 000 euros in USA while same setup here costs 80 000 euros, an audi Q7 50 000 euros while same specs here 90 000 euros, BMW M6 in Germany costs 140 000 euros while same spec car in USA costs 80 000 euros) and now with the diesel scandal, VW is slowly pulling out of US market (pushing Audi though) in favor of India, China and other asian countrys.

 

Škoda Kodiaq, new enlarged BMW X1, VW Atlas are all aiming at the chinese market.

 

Those speculations for putting Kodiaq for sale in US were made last year at launch which was before the popularity of the car here. In my opinion that was their safety net, if the car wouldn't get sold in Europe. If they do introduce it to NA, than it will be only one, the 2.0 TSI with 4x4 and DSG and it will have to cost no more than 20 000 euros fully speced to compete, because why would you buy a Škoda Kodiaq for 40 000 euros if you can get a BMW X5 for the same money.

Edited 25 June, 2017 by McGyles

[Rooted]

Do we actually know the popularity here if you mean Europe once the hype dies down, and do we know the price of Imported vehicles to the UK in 2019?

Skoda are very creative with produced and delivered to customer figures and only got to over a Million a year the other year, 

they need Global sales with the Kodiaq and the Karoq and any other models as they are introduced.

 

Not long until we find out if Skoda will have Dealership in North America & VW have a lot invested in plants that are not going to be building Diesel VW's and not that many EV's, 

and The Donald is not going to be letting the imports come in, not even from South America.

VW Group have been flying a kite for long enough having Skoda Superb around the places they get seen in the US.

http://autocar.co.uk/car-news/industry/skoda-us-launch-decision-set-autumn-2017 

 

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As it is if the US Authorities are going to be issuing more International Arrest Warrants there will be few VW Board or Senior Execs leaving the safety of Germany or possibly Europe.

Lets see just who does get arrested and if any are subject to extradition from Germany.  Doubt it, but their freedom to travel will be greatly curbed.

 

PS. 

VW ATLAS  AKA as  VW At-Last,

as in finally they got a 7 seater SUV, too late though as usual, caught out and needing to give longer Warranties.

Promise full EV's Promise the All NEW Electric Micro Bus, promise the earth as long as the scandal is not on first page of a google search.

Edited 25 June, 2017 by Awayoffski

[McGyles]

Bob Muller will find everything there is between Putin and the Annoying Orange, so there will be an impeachment by the end of the year (record time, make america great again!).

 

And if by some idiosyncrasy the Microwaved Burito does survive the impeachment, he will NEVER ban imports because than, Europe and China would ban US imports aswell. And because this would be a breach of certain international agreements, a unilateral decision by the USA would ba faced by lawsuits to adress the damage to the economy of blocked countrys and probably seizure of military equipment in the US run NATO bases situated in Europe.

 

" Do we actually know the popularity here if you mean Europe once the hype dies down, and do we know the price of Imported vehicles to the UK in 2019? "

 

In the EU, the popularity of Kodiaq is so high, that in almost all countrys the quotes for this year are filled and half of them for 2018. It's a Hyunda Santa-Fe class car with the pricetag of Tuscon, Kia Sorento class of the pricetag of Sportage, it actualy is very good placed car and currently best medium/large practical SUV to buy, unless you go for luxury brands like Audi Q5 or BMW X3.

In India there is a major bloom for Škoda and due to the indian factory, Škoda can ship their cars to countrys like Vietnam with ease and low costs. Those markets are only now starting to take shape and getting into them is cheap and easy and will secure a market share for years to come. Thats why the startification - the US is a market for luxury cars (BMW, MB, Audi, Porsche), while asian countrys are for economy cars (Ford, Škoda, VW, Opel).

 

If BREXIT does happen, you will see a price increase of all import goods from the EU by 15%-20% and luxury goods by 35%-40%. Compared to the unified market of the EU, the UK only presents a small fraction of market value.

And you need to consider that Tata is already considering moving Jaguar and Land Rover out of UK aswell as BMW owned Mini for EU markets to a EU country, to be able to maintain low prices of their vehicles in the EU market to compete with EU brands. Not to mention the desire of Scotland to stay in the EU and the turmoil in Ireland when the border posts between Ireland and North Ireland go up again. 

 

BTW, why did you people let yourself get dooped by Boris Trumpson and Nigel Childmolestorface? With leaving, you will still have to accept the EU regulations if you want to export to EU, many organisations that are connected to EU will have to leave to maintain their operation taking away revenue, prices on goods will go up, factories owned by foreigners (Indians, Germans) that export to EU will have to relocated to stay competitive in the EU market, etc..

 

With UK being a part of EU, you at least had a voice in legislative procedures that will affect you the same as if you stayed or left due to inability to make seperate trade agreements with specific EU member countrys.

[McGyles]

"I think you mean the SNP's desire to stay in the EU.

  Scotland and Residents and voters are not the SNP they are a political party and then there are others that might want to stay in the EU that voted such."

 

If you look at the referendum results, you will find that the majority of Scotland was for stay aswell as major english metropolitan areas such as London.

 

Italy broke? They been like that for 50 years. It's the lack of natural resources, for instance they buy 80% of their electricity from neighbours. When i was in UK in 2008 the pound was 40% higher than euro, now it's almost the same and after 2019 predictions are, that euro will be stronger.

 

This is not just talk, these are facts:

http://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=GBP&to=EUR

 

Will UK survive? Yes it will it's a powerful country. Will UK after Brexit be as powerful as before? Yes probably some day in 50 years, when it rejoins the EU or when EU falls apart. Lets not forget that Brexit hasn't come into affect yet, that will happen in 2019. For now all the economist projections were correct, well not if you consider Nigel-boy as a leading economist.

 

"Prestige British vehicles" don't make me laugh. You realy think the arabs care where Bentley is made. Most Audis are made in Mexico and USA and they are stil considered "German". It all depends on Thery May and her negotiating abilities to strike a good trade deal with EU, personaly i would rather place my money on Donny apologising to Obama.

 

Vehicles will still be made in UK just not for EU markets, if it will mean an import tax of 30%-40% and believe me the EU member nations are poised to make an example of the UK so expect harsh negotiations, because simply put, hardly anyone will buy a Jaguar F-type if it will have the price of an Audi Q7, or a Range Rover with the price tag of two Audi Q7's, it's market is limited as it is. At the end it all comes down to numbers.

 

Yes i agree the EU is far from perfect, it's a birocratical organisation that needs to become more transparent and efficient. Compared to what was before, there hasn't been this much peace and prosperity in Europe since the Roman Empire (original one not the Holy one).

 

But yes we strayed off topic here, It's a Škoda forum :P

 

 

 

 

[Mr Grump]

1 hour ago, McGyles said:

 It all depends on Thery May and her negotiating abilities to strike a good trade deal with EU, personaly i would rather place my money on Donny apologising to Obama.

 

If she has the danglies we can get an excellent deal with EU, because all she has to do is make a trade deal with China if EU doesn't play ball, EU don't want that  

 

Back OT, lets hope the factory gets a rocket up its chuff and ups the QC toot sweet, too many niggles seem to be occurring with the Kodiaq.

Edited 27 June, 2017 by Mr Grump

[McGyles]

17 hours ago, Awayoffski said:

As for me personally it makes no difference i will probably just be living next door to you in Keszthely Hungary.

 

I hope this is a joke because you should realy stay in UK or at least move to either France, Germany or Switzerland. I personaly am thinking of moving to Germany or Switzerland because the political situation in countrys like Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Serbia, Hungary, Romania, Bulgaria is very similar - remnants of the old red political guard hold power and act as the country is their own bank vault. Especialy in Balkan teritories the corruption is realy high. People that have worked for all their lives have their pensions at bare minimum that many don't have much left after paying for monthly expenses, majority of people work all days including Saturdays and Sundays for minimum wage, high paying jobs are rare and mostly reserved for "friends of the politicians" in state owned/controled corporations and banks, nepotism is at historic high not to mention our prime minister, who is a law profesor, just said on national television that a peoples referendum is "joke".

 

Problem is that after our independence there should have been a lustration policy and so now we face a polical crysis, where all the major political parties, even the so called "right", are run by former communists, majority of them opted against democratization in the 90' independence movement. There is no "rule of law", if an ordanary citizen steals a loaf of bread he is prosecuted at fullest extent while politicly connected individuals that have privatised state owned bussineses and ran them into the ground remain at large with still milions in their pockets, while thousands of workers have lost their income.

 

The privatising is a sensitive topic in former Yugoslav countrys and many communist ones, because you have to understand that before it was so called "družbena lastnina" (social/peoples property) and "samouprava" (self-goverment) of all the economic entitys.

It went like so: Everything was owned by the people, because the people didn't have property rights it was defacto owned by the state, which was run by a single party -> the communists. So doing the communist party was in fact a broad-term capitalist organisation. If you examine economic theory of expanded reproduction in a closed system, you will see that to actualy do that, you need to cut back elsewhere - so after WW2 and all up to the break-up there was a motto: "odrekamo se za bodoče rodove" or "we deny ourselves for the future generations". So all workers were at their jobs monday-friday, their salary was cut by about 10-20% each month and diverted into building infrastructure and some weekends there were so called "delavne brigade" or "work brigades" where many people would go together and help with manual labor on certain projects. Yugoslavia wasn't built by capital investments because there were none, it was built by the sweat and sacrifice of it's people. It's something that is hard to understand in the "western world". It's hard to draw a line between state-owned and people-owned property.

 

Than in the 90' all of this property was privatised and a new class was created in the former communist countrys. Here they are called "tajkuni" or "tycoons" in russian they are known as "olighars". It's a minority of people with connections to former establishments that have stolen the peoples property and now use it to keep themselves in power. Funny part is that's it was all legal, because they had legislative functions in the critical times and tailored them so, that made their theft legal. They continue their communist traditions of maintaining power, while embracing capitals traditions of exploiting the people.

 

People want change, but the major problem is, that their is no policital alternative. All the major parties are the same and the ego of their leaders has risen to the sky and there are now personality cults inside political parties. The indication of this is a low goverment support and declining election turnouts. in 90' the election turnout was 97% now it has fallen to bellow 50%. If you decide to run against them, you will be discredited like the tax service deciding to make an audit, finding you have "milions" of unpaid taxes, starting a criminal prosecution and after the elections when you lose nothing happens and there is no official apology from the tax service, you find out that the prosecutor never filled a motion just didn't deny it for a year, so your opponents have something against you. Or using the intelligence agencies to phone tap political adversaries or to follow them around. You and your entire family is marked for life, meaning problems in hospital admisions, schools, state maintained jobs (judicial, healthcare, teaching, civil service, etc.). Dirty tricks like that, involving state corruption to maintain their power. Because they know, that as soon as someone with a backbone and motivation to make things right comes along, they are all going to prison or worse, because I believe in suum cuique.

 

Stay clear of former communist countrys unless you personaly know someone at the top or feel satisfied of keeping your head down and bringing in minimal wage.

[Garowe]

I looked closely in my original post about faulty car seats and can't find any reference to Theresa May, Scottish independence, Brexit or the underlying battle between persisting communism in the old Soviet Pact countries and the New World Order.

Anyhoo my local dealer has seen the car today and stated that the seat material has been cut too short by the manufacturer.  New seat upholstery and a new radar sensor have been ordered under warranty but there is a shortage of both and no estimate of delivery. So the posts elsewhere about VW radar sensor problems and the shortage of middle seats seem spot on.

[andyvee]

It is the 3rd row of seats there is a shortage of, hence why the factory is quite happily churning out 5 seater SE's and not many 7 seater Editions ..............

 

Dealers have been stopped from ordering 7 seaters as demo/stock vehicles, probably explains why Simpsons had over a dozen 5 seater SE's (2017MY) available from stock .........

Edited 28 June, 2017 by andyvee

[andyvee]

17 minutes ago, Garowe said:

I looked closely in my original post about faulty car seats and can't find any reference to Theresa May, Scottish independence, Brexit or the underlying battle between persisting communism in the old Soviet Pact countries and the New World Order.

Anyhoo my local dealer has seen the car today and stated that the seat material has been cut too short by the manufacturer.  New seat upholstery and a new radar sensor have been ordered under warranty but there is a shortage of both and no estimate of delivery. So the posts elsewhere about VW radar sensor problems and the shortage of middle seats seem spot on.

at last, back on topic!

[romanv]

So what's the story about those seats? Epilogue?

[McGyles]

Sry about that...  got carried away....

 

[Macdemon]

On 6/22/2017 at 19:08, romanv said:

In one year, Skoda will become worse brand than Dacia. And I am going to be f**cked up for next 6 years, thanks to my (probably) wrong decision.

 

What makes you say that???  

[romanv]

Ah, just being angry... while waiting on my Kodiaq... still 

 

 

The problem is that because I don't have my car yet (and others are overtaking me), I am heavily watching forums and any mentioned fault has a really bad influence on me. Too many complaints! I bet that when I will receive my car, I will feel like being in heaven  And I hope all those faults won't happen on my bear.