I have been driving diesel cars for well over 30 years back when most forecourts didn't have diesel pumps but have now ordered a Toledo 1.0 tsi. Last night I was struggling to sleep and suddenly my mind started playing me up on why did I order a petrol car.

Pulling out the choke, the distributor cap with cracks, the points, carburetors. Are petrol cars still as bad as they were 30+ years ago?

21 minutes ago, Fab Estate said:

I have been driving diesel cars for well over 30 years back when most forecourts didn't have diesel pumps but have now ordered a Toledo 1.0 tsi. Last night I was struggling to sleep and suddenly my mind started playing me up on why did I order a petrol car.

Pulling out the choke, the distributor cap with cracks, the points, carburetors. Are petrol cars still as bad as they were 30+ years ago?

 

No they are very similar to diesel these days with just the revs being about 30% higher, torquey, fuel efficient, no chokes, distributors etc.

 

Diesels advantages are limited to going a bit further on a tankful, sometimes a bit further between services and a bit better for towing but the gap of these areas has closed from say about a third to maybe as little as 10% or so.

 

I would expect you will be very please and find it relatively sparking compared to the 1.4 TDI.    

What does the petrol car have now instead of chokes, distributors etc?

Electronic fuel injection controls the fuelling depending on temperature, load, throttle position etc. No need for a choke as there is no carburettor. Hasn't been since early 1990s. For ignition,  Individual coil packs on each spark plug fired electronically from the ECU depending on conditions as stated above.

Far less to go wrong on a petrol these days than a diesel, especially those 3 pot TDI engines which are known for having a few issues IIRC.

Edited 26 July, 20178 yr by clarendon462

6 minutes ago, clarendon462 said:

Electronic fuel injection controls the fuelling depending on temperature, load, throttle position etc. No need for a choke as there is no carburettor. Hasn't been since early 1990s. For ignition,  Individual coil packs on each spark plug fired electronically from the ECU depending on conditions as stated above.

Far less to go wrong on a petrol these days than a diesel, especially those 3 pot TDI engines which are known for having a few issues IIRC.

It's very reassuring  what you say as these things were a nightmare to me many years ago.

29 minutes ago, lol-lol said:

 

No they are very similar to diesel these days with just the revs being about 30% higher, torquey, fuel efficient, no chokes, distributors etc.

 

Diesels advantages are limited to going a bit further on a tankful, sometimes a bit further between services and a bit better for towing but the gap of these areas has closed from say about a third to maybe as little as 10% or so.

 

I would expect you will be very please and find it relatively sparking compared to the 1.4 TDI.    

My 1.4Tdi has been very reliable and now has over 104,000 on the clock but lacks that get up and go but the deal on the Toledo couldn't be turned down and hopefully it will be as reliable as the Fabia.

4 minutes ago, Fab Estate said:

My 1.4Tdi has been very reliable and now has over 104,000 on the clock but lacks that get up and go but the deal on the Toledo couldn't be turned down and hopefully it will be as reliable as the Fabia.

 

I thought they did a 90 hp but I gather they only do the 110 hp version now.

 

With my 1.4 litre Fabia VRS I got a CSMA/Boundless warranty when the rather stingey Audi/SEAT/Skoda/VW warranty ran out as it always worried me that the turbo, or supercharger, would go and leave me massively out of pocket.

 

Renault and many other manufacturers give 100k-4 year warranties with the car and I would certainly go for additional warranty on a VW car after its warranty.

Think they want a few hundred extra for it but I unless one is doing 20k miles a year plus then just best to but when one needs it but read the fine print as to what and how much it covers.

 

  

 

104,000 miles is not really high for a car now, most petrols will go for 150,000 reliably. Don't think you'll be disappointed judging by the success of the 1.2 tsi can only imagine the new 1.0 units are an improvement. Think the smoother and quieter engine will make a massive difference to how it feels.

On 7/26/2017 at 20:13, lol-lol said:

 

I thought they did a 90 hp but I gather they only do the 110 hp version now.

 

With my 1.4 litre Fabia VRS I got a CSMA/Boundless warranty when the rather stingey Audi/SEAT/Skoda/VW warranty ran out as it always worried me that the turbo, or supercharger, would go and leave me massively out of pocket.

 

Renault and many other manufacturers give 100k-4 year warranties with the car and I would certainly go for additional warranty on a VW car after its warranty.

Think they want a few hundred extra for it but I unless one is doing 20k miles a year plus then just best to but when one needs it but read the fine print as to what and how much it covers.

 

  

 

I am thinking of going for the Seat 5 year extended warranty just for ease of mind. I do about 15,000 miles a year but if I pack in my job it would probably go down to about 7,000 miles at the very most.

The Toledo deal is indeed too good to miss. Even though the 1.0 is nowhere NVH wise compared with the old creamy smooth 1.2 I drive, and the 1.2 needed a turbo at 26000, I too have signed for a 1.0 TSI for very little cash (42% off RRP). It's faster, alleged to be more economic, and has lots more kit than the already loaded 2014 that I have now.

 

 

 

 

Edited 28 July, 20178 yr by camelspyyder

On 7/28/2017 at 17:53, camelspyyder said:

The Toledo deal is indeed too good to miss. Even though the 1.0 is nowhere NVH wise compared with the old creamy smooth 1.2 I drive, and the 1.2 needed a turbo at 26000, I too have signed for a 1.0 TSI for very little cash (42% off RRP). It's faster, alleged to be more economic, and has lots more kit than the already loaded 2014 that I have now.

 

When do you take delivery of your car?

 

 

 

Expected mid-September on a 67 reg.

If you want to access the performance hidden in a petrol engine you will have a major mental adjustment regarding the sort of engine speeds you are willing to use - at which point forget any thoughts about petrol economy being even close to that of diesel. Similarly you'll be getting used to using 1st gear a lot more often.

 

Plus side -  no DPF*, no regens, don't need to go near the stinking diesel pump.

 

*Yes I know PPF will soon be along to spoil things, and no, despite all the reassurances I do not have confidence that they will be trouble free.

Diesel is the past.

 

The EU are going to tax them off the roads in the next few years.

 

I sometimes miss the relaxed lack of gearchanges required in the 2.0TD I had before on my cross-country commute, but hey I do actually enjoy winding the little petrol turbo through the manual 6 speed on those same roads.