Is the 1.4 TSI 150 enough for the Kodiaq and family of 4? (no towing planned)

[Zapirian]

Just wondering if anyone has a Kodiaq with this engine and if they've found it powerful enough for the car?

Unfortunately my local dealer only has a 2.0 TDI 190 4x4 demonstrator so haven't been able to try that engine in the car myself.

[ColinD]

Do they have a 1.4tsi 150 in the superb or octavia? Both biggish by compare and the kodiaq isn't that much heavier, a superb estate might be better compare. Although the kodiaq is far more brick aero like than your golf or the superb would be...

 

But it should give you an 'idea' of how it drives, at least in a straight line. Some factors you'll have to take with a pinch of salt, like gearing, noise. Or think, my golf match weighs x kgs the kodiaq weighs y kgs, take the difference. If it's say 400kgs think how the golf is fully loaded, that might get you to the kodiaq empty.

 

I tested a 1.4tsi superb on launch and a 150TD, honestly, my money would be on the petrol one. Fully loaded it might chug a bit more, but that's 2 weeks of the year?

 

I also do less than 20k so fiscally, diesel did'nt warrant the costs. etc.

 

Anyhow that, different model, might be a line. Or contact Skoda, they can tell you where the stock is... 

 

In my future, the manufacturer will supply all combinations to dealers so they don't have to guess/gamble and you can go along, test at manf's cost, then buy online via manf in peace and quiet and pick up from dealer  Dealers don't like this concept... 

[Ootohere]

Always worth a contact with Skoda UK Customer Services to see if they are owners of a Demonstrator which is not a 190 ps one & less than 3 months / 3,000 miles at a Scottish Dealership or Dealership group because amazingly there often are and they are supposed to be available for potential customers not just some employees wee perk until later sold as a Ex Management Car.

 

If there is only 190ps 4x4 Kodiak at your local dealerships as a demonstrator and not one available in another flavour not far away and available for potential 

buyers i really will be surprised.

Edited 2 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[Zapirian]

Thanks @ColinD, I'll see if they have the same powerplant in a Superb at my local dealer to get an idea of how 150PS TSI manages with a bigger car. In most reviews they do say the 1.4 TSI 150 does well enough in the Kodiaq as long as you don't plan on towing.

But with this sort of purchase commitment you always want to have the best idea of what you are getting for your money. My annual mileage is currently less than 10k but with twins incoming might be doing more running about but most of that is likely to be in town and ~20 minute commutes to work and home. I originally had considered a Superb when planning for one child, but for two and a double buggy, and occasional use 6th and 7th seats the SUV seems the better choice to me.

 

[bigboss]

I've got the 1.4 TSI 150 and it's amazing. 5 of us adults regularly go on Saturdays to play cricket with 5 kits in the boot. It's got more than enough oomph, and I have overtaken slower cars quite easily.

[Zapirian]

7 minutes ago, bigboss said:

I've got the 1.4 TSI 150 and it's amazing. 5 of us adults regularly go on Saturdays to play cricket with 5 kits in the boot. It's got more than enough oomph, and I have overtaken slower cars quite easily.

Thanks, always nice to hear feedback on real life usage of that engine in the Kodiaq. I'll still try and find one or a Superb Estate to try it for myself but give me more confidence in placing an order for one eventually.

[Ootohere]

My Alhambra 150ps 2.0 TDI is much heavier than a 1.4TSI 150 ps Kodiak and 5 or 6 up with airport luggage for 5 can still get 10 miles to the litre of diesel & better than that in the 50 & 60 mph speed camera routes that are getting longer and longer, and it can travel Scotland and rest of UK roads well over the NSL if it needed to, & overtake cars safely that do not want to keep to NSL's.

Actually i prefer it to the more powerful 184 ps one i had on an extended test before ordering it, & which i have driven more recently.

150 ps is 150ps minimum be it in a Petrol or Diesel even if the torque is different, and as it is they can both do double the NSL's in the UK.

Edited 2 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[athon34]

Seater 5. MG 4x4

Kodiaq 150 TSI = torque  250 (1500-3500)  

Kodiaq 150 TDI = torque 340 (1750-3000)

Not very difficult to choose !

 

 

[Ootohere]

?

What do you do with all the surplus torques when for most journeys you might only need half of your 'horses'.

 

Diesel is king, except where maybe it is the spawn of the devil as the UK is trying to make it, and if your trips are not the kind that require a Heavy Oil burner.

 

There were threads on Briskoda discussing this when the video was first released, still in the early pages of the Kodiaq section.

 

Edited 2 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[bigboss]

2 hours ago, athon34 said:

Seater 5. MG 4x4

Kodiaq 150 TSI = torque  250 (1500-3500)  

Kodiaq 150 TDI = torque 340 (1750-3000)

Not very difficult to choose !

 

 

Good for trailers, but far from being the only sensible option. Petrol engines are far quieter and refined and not affected by the recent demonisation of Diesel.

[Mr Grump]

14 hours ago, Zapirian said:

I originally had considered a Superb when planning for one child, but for two and a double buggy, and occasional use 6th and 7th seats the SUV seems the better choice to me.

 

If 2 kids and a double buggy, a Superb would swallow that just as easily, if you needed the higher roofline then an estate would do it.

It comes down to if you are going to use the extra seats or prefer an SUV style.

Either way their must be a dealer nearby with a 1.4 you can try.

[Zapirian]

1 hour ago, Mr Grump said:

 

If 2 kids and a double buggy, a Superb would swallow that just as easily, if you needed the higher roofline then an estate would do it.

It comes down to if you are going to use the extra seats or prefer an SUV style.

Either way their must be a dealer nearby with a 1.4 you can try.

Mostly seems to be Aberdeen (where I am), Inverness or Dundee. I'll phone around and see if I can find one in Scotland to test drive.

[Ootohere]

Skoda Specialist Cars John Clark can not be trying very hard if they can not get you a car from Aberdeen, Dundee or Perth.

Maybe you will just have to use Arnold Clark, Park's, Ingram's, Henry's, West End or someone else to get a test drive.

[2ndyetiman]

Absolutely!

 My 1.4DSG 2WD goes like a train, the acceleration and torque is amazing for a 1398cc 1.5 ton brick. 

For this and all things KODIAQ have a look at the site dedicated solely to 'THE BEAR' .

kodiaqforums.co.uk 

For the Karoq

karoqforums.co.uk

[AndyH_NZ]

When my Kodiaq went back the the dealer recently they lent me a 1.4 Golf. I too had been sceptical of a 1.4 in a Kodiaq but it is a genuine gem of an engine. In a fwd Kodiaq I think it should be fine, not sure of the added weight of the 4x4 plus passengers (but it would help with the wheel spin though). If they ever mate the forthcoming 1.5 petrol with a hybrid then I could well be tempted out of my TDi.

[BoxerBoy]

On 2 August 2017 at 15:34, Zapirian said:

Thanks @ColinD, I'll see if they have the same powerplant in a Superb at my local dealer to get an idea of how 150PS TSI manages with a bigger car. In most reviews they do say the 1.4 TSI 150 does well enough in the Kodiaq as long as you don't plan on towing.

But with this sort of purchase commitment you always want to have the best idea of what you are getting for your money. My annual mileage is currently less than 10k but with twins incoming might be doing more running about but most of that is likely to be in town and ~20 minute commutes to work and home. I originally had considered a Superb when planning for one child, but for two and a double buggy, and occasional use 6th and 7th seats the SUV seems the better choice to me.

 

 

If you truly don't need the 7 seats I'd seriously consider the Superb estate. It is CAVERNOUS.

 

I ran one for 6 years and it carried a shed load of stuff. Just 5 seats though.

 

I moved to a Kodiak for a change. It's fun.

 

But I honestly can't say it has more room than the Superb. I just play with seats 6 and 7 for fun occasionally with the grandchildren, even when running with 5 folk as the kiddy car seats are so big I can spread them out.

 

The Superb loading sill is easier for humphing a lawn mower in and out. 1 of my regular chores.

 

The 1.4 TSI is great in a Golf or Octavia, but even then I've never filled one to the max. for a long trip.

 

But I still wouldn't give up my grunty big Diesel engine 

[glosrich]

Back in the old days....around 1994, VW group in Milton Keynes used to operate a demonstrator service via a firm called Keddys. 

 

A dealer could ring up and have a suitable demo car delivered for a day or 2, at a cost, for a customer to try.

 

Also make sure your other half is comfortable driving and parking it, they are big.

 

Mine likes the idea of SUVs like the Kodiaq, but wouldn't be able to park it. An Octavia or Superb estate might be a better compromise. Or a Zafira, they are half price at 6 months old, and actually not bad cars. The new ones shouldn't burst into flames either....

Edited 5 August, 2017 by glosrich

[Zapirian]

On 05/08/2017 at 13:34, glosrich said:

Back in the old days....around 1994, VW group in Milton Keynes used to operate a demonstrator service via a firm called Keddys. 

 

A dealer could ring up and have a suitable demo car delivered for a day or 2, at a cost, for a customer to try.

 

Also make sure your other half is comfortable driving and parking it, they are big.

 

Mine likes the idea of SUVs like the Kodiaq, but wouldn't be able to park it. An Octavia or Superb estate might be a better compromise. Or a Zafira, they are half price at 6 months old, and actually not bad cars. The new ones shouldn't burst into flames either....

 My other half doesn't currently drive but are looking at Park Assist as a must have. Also she has a disability meaning her left arm doesn't have full mobility and strength, so also need an automatic (also why we looked at Superb before we knew it was twins as it has electronic handbrake and octavia doesn't). But it is a valid concern you bring up

Edited 7 August, 2017 by Zapirian

[Ootohere]

The Steering can be set to have more assistance, as can the braking.

If the salesperson does not know about this get them to talk to the Dealerships Motability Trained Sales Person who should know.

This will need setting by a Technician. 

[Jacro]

If doing half decent miles get the diesel 150. If not go for petrol. Be minded also the diesel is a nicer quicker car, without need to rev hard, that can get relatively close to stated mpg without driving easy. The petrol unfortunately can't. As for the demise of diesel. Load of old tosh. 

[bigboss]

16 minutes ago, Jacro said:

If doing half decent miles get the diesel 150. If not go for petrol. Be minded also the diesel is a nicer quicker car, without need to rev hard, that can get relatively close to stated mpg without driving easy. The petrol unfortunately can't. As for the demise of diesel. Load of old tosh. 

In normal driving conditions, I am consistently getting 40.2 mpg with my 1.4 TSI 150 Petrol. Petrol is quicker from 0-62mph while Diesel is quicker when overtaking on a full load. Petrol is lot more quieter and refined than Diesel too.

Edited 7 August, 2017 by bigboss

[Jacro]

52 minutes ago, bigboss said:

In normal driving conditions, I am consistently getting 40.2 mpg with my 1.4 TSI 150 Petrol. Petrol is quicker from 0-62mph while Diesel is quicker when overtaking on a full load. Petrol is lot more quieter and refined than Diesel too.

Quiter yes. Refined no. I have access to both cars. In my driving style petrol 30 mpg diesel 40. Don't get me wrong petrol is a nice car but you do have to floor it to, and thus use more fuel, get going. 

[bigboss]

1 minute ago, Jacro said:

Quiter yes. Refined no. I have access to both cars. In my driving style petrol 30 mpg diesel 40. Don't get me wrong petrol is a nice car but you do have to floor it to, and thus use more fuel, get going. 

Depends on driving style. I've never felt Petrol to be sluggish, and has been responsive when needed. So never needed to floor the accelerator (not looking for sports car performance anyway). In my Kodiaq test drive experience, I found petrol to be a lot more refined than the Diesel version, although the Diesel is very refined in itself when compared to my outgoing Mercedes E220 CDI 2013.

[Ootohere]

Jacro,

we will never know the length of the journeys in the Diesel or Petrol engine cars unless you tell us, so how many miles usually on a drive and is this in or out of town?

& just you or with passengers / weight?

Does the TDI give 40mpg when being used on short commuting in town type journeys?

Edited 7 August, 2017 by Awayoffski

[bigboss]

My car's quoted combined mileage is 44mpg, and the actual mileage I'm getting is less than 10% less, 40.2 mpg. So if we consider the equivalent Diesel at 52mpg (quoted mileage 56mpg), the fuel cost difference is £300 per year for 10000 miles pa. The difference in cost between 1.4 150PS Petrol and 2.0 150PS Diesel is £1815, meaning it'll take 6 years for me to break even, had I chosen Diesel.

 

Also, a lot my driving is urban, which again swung the decision in favour of Petrol.

Edited 7 August, 2017 by bigboss