Hi,

 

I have made my decision for my next company leasing to be a Skoda Superb Combi L&K businessline with dsg transmission. The problem I'm having is I can't make a decision which would be nicer to drive the 1.8TSI 134kW with 250nm or the 2.0 Diesel 140kw with 400nm

 

I drive about 50.000km a year and I know the diesel would be more economical but that is not my consern as its a company car. I would really like the silent petrol engine but is the 250nm enough or is the diesel still the better pick from these options? I have test driven the diesel versions but I could not locate a dealer with the petrol engine to test so could you give me any help on this? Thanks!

Edited 30 October, 20178 yr by FixxaH

We don't have the 1.8TSI as an option in the UK but I have the 1.4TSI. That too has 'only' 250Nm of torque. Seems fine to me. I like the silent petrol engine.

Oh right, here in Finland we get the option also with 1.8TSI paired with a 7speed-dsg. Do you know if this is the same gear box as the 7-speed gearbox in the diesels or are they somehow different (better).

Edited 30 October, 20178 yr by FixxaH

I would be only guessing but with only 250NM of torque it's probably the same as in the 1.4TSI. When the diesels had 6 speed DSG the petrol 1.8TSI will have had a 7 speed.

 

This means it is the dry clutch DSG and not wet clutch and therefore the DQ200 gearbox. The DQ200 is limited to 300Nm I believe so not likely to be the newer  7 speed DSG.

Edited 30 October, 20178 yr by rtj70

Ok, I guess the better bet is the diesel in this case to get the newer transmission. Thanks for your help!

30 minutes ago, FixxaH said:

Ok, I guess the better bet is the diesel in this case to get the newer transmission. Thanks for your help!

 

If you are not able to go up to the 2l TSI, I would go for the Diesel. From what I have heard, the 1,8 TSI is a great engine, but because it's paired with the weak 7speed DSG in the Superb, its restricted to 250NM and feels under powered. 

I had a Mk2 Superb with the 1.8TSI DSG.  It was smooth, quiet and plenty quick enough.  I would have happily bought a 1.4 DSG in my Mk3 if they offered it in L&K trim.

 

Of course, if you're OK with the noise of a diesel it will be quicker and more economical though.

This is a tough one but I do like the part that the diesel is quicker but not the part that its noisier. The economical part does not play that big of a difference but of course its better when you don't need to stay at the pump so often.

 

My two last cars have been a diesel and I think I can manage but I must say petrol engines are a lot smoother!

20 minutes ago, FixxaH said:

diesel is quicker

what?!

even 1.4ACT will be more attractive than 2.0TDI tractor

 

But you can't get the L&K in the UK with the 1.4TSI engine. I'd have got that if it was available. But I spec'd up an SE L Executive with the options I wanted. Since it's a company car it kept BIK lower.

46 minutes ago, MartiniB said:

what?!

even 1.4ACT will be more attractive than 2.0TDI tractor

 

Im not from the UK and attractive means different than quick here

 

If you're considering a diesel, test drive it first. Me and many other people found out that it has a huge lag when accelerating with automatic transmission. At least with the 6-speed DSG. Maybe Skoda fixed it for the 7-speed DSG.

I would avoid 1.8 TSI with DSG - as someone mentioned they're pairing it with a weaker gearbox, so if petrol then either 1.4 or 2.0. I can recommend 2.0 TSI - it's amazing! 1.4 TSI seems to handle the car well enough though.

Does the 1.8 have the same dual injection system as the 2.0? These are meant to prevent carbon deposits in the intake (direct injection petrol engines suffer from these). My personal preference would be the 1.8 for noise levels and general “smoothness”, but horses for sourses

19 hours ago, FixxaH said:

This is a tough one but I do like the part that the diesel is quicker but not the part that its noisier. The economical part does not play that big of a difference but of course its better when you don't need to stay at the pump so often.

 

My two last cars have been a diesel and I think I can manage but I must say petrol engines are a lot smoother!

 

Easy decision then, just get the 280 TSI petrol and its job done 

Personally I think that VAG turbo charged petrol engines has somwhat diesel like feeling in low revs.

As long as you're not fully loaded the 1.4tsi is powerfull enough - the 1.8tsi is quite fun and the 2.0tsi is more than enough.

Only when carrying heavy load or hauling diesel is superior. I do like diesel but as I said even the 1.4tsi has more then enough grunt for everyday driving.

5 hours ago, Prykey said:

 

Easy decision then, just get the 280 TSI petrol and its job done 

I definitely would if our company policy would accept it. But now I got to get under the 140g co2 mark which means that 1.8TSi or 2.0TDi are the options. Im still not a fan of the 250nm and the weaker dsg in the petrol all though most of you guys keep saying the petrol is better. Im still on leaning towards the 400nm diesel as I somehow keep seeing it as the quicker engine. Im usually driving alone without a lot of cargo though. Its a shame I cant test drive the 1.8tsi on a superb anywhere, perhaps I should look for a octavia for a test drive with that engine..

 

Its a shame you cant get the 2.0TSi to the skoda like Audi has, that would fly under the co2 limit and its such a nice engine with the s-tronic 7speed. 

What country are you in then FixxaH? The Superb does come with the 220PS TSI engine plus DSG but the emissions will push it above your 140g/km limit on carbon dioxide emissions (it's 147g/km I think).

16 minutes ago, rtj70 said:

What country are you in then FixxaH? The Superb does come with the 220PS TSI engine plus DSG but the emissions will push it above your 140g/km limit on carbon dioxide emissions (it's 147g/km I think).

Im from Finland. Here Audi has a beatiful 2.0 tfsi 190hp 340nm petrol engine which is great but sadly skoda only offers the 220hp version or the 250nm versiom of the 1.8tfsi

I have a 190 diesel,i am more than happy. Mine has 4x4 and dsg,so no problem with wheelspin(like front wheel one) and it really drives nicely. It has a lot of torque,so accelerating in gear feels really good. Also,i personaly don't see a problem with noise,it is very hushed,not like petrol one but far from intrusive. I like overtaking with mine,torque makes it feel efortless,just one gear down (to get to about 2000rpm) and half a pedal down. In my opinion really suits the caracter of the car.

Thanks for the help guys, I will just go with the diesel. Im driving a volvo v60 with a d4 diesel engine now and I really cant see a huge problem with it so im pretty sure I wont find a problem with the VAG diesel either.

 

Now I have a next decision to make as the skoda configurator tells me I can choose the car with a normal interior (I think i will go with the beige leather seats with ventilation and massage function) or then the sportline seats. Which would you choose? The sportline seats are super comfortable and I took a drive with one for 270km:s straight and no problem but the interior looks nicer with the beige leather and with that you get the ventilation and massage function.

 

So any opinions, which is better?

10 hours ago, FixxaH said:

Massage

 

I've got this in my car and according to myself it's just a marketing thing that moves lumbar support up and down + in and out.

I find the l&k seats to be okay but not as comfortable as the Volvo seats. Haven't had a chance to test the ventilation yet.

13 hours ago, FixxaH said:

Thanks for the help guys, I will just go with the diesel. Im driving a volvo v60 with a d4 diesel engine now and I really cant see a huge problem with it so im pretty sure I wont find a problem with the VAG diesel either.

 

Now I have a next decision to make as the skoda configurator tells me I can choose the car with a normal interior (I think i will go with the beige leather seats with ventilation and massage function) or then the sportline seats. Which would you choose? The sportline seats are super comfortable and I took a drive with one for 270km:s straight and no problem but the interior looks nicer with the beige leather and with that you get the ventilation and massage function.

 

So any opinions, which is better?

I have the L&K and the ventilation is a must on the leather seats, but would probably go for the sportline if I were to order a new one today. 

The 110Kw (150 bhp) is also available in Finland with a 7 or 6 speed DSG (according to .fi website), many on here have said that it is more refined than the 140Kw, seems to have much better real world fuel consumption figures but the same torque as the 140Kw (read on here anyways). I have a 140Kw and its far from a tractor, not as quiet as the petrols but nothing too intrusive, road noise from the supplied tyres much more of an intrusive noise.

I drove 150 and 190,there is significant difference between the two. 190 just feels much more powerful when in revs,and always has a healty reserve. 150 is more than plenty for superb,honestly. The problem with 190 is that on low rpm it is unresponsive (bigger turbo),and dsg has a tendency to keep it in high gears so it is in very low rpm (1100) where there is no torque or power. Puting it in sport solves this problem (and car feels fastest when in manual mode).

Are you considering sportline? I understood that ypu were saying that you will go for l&k but with sportline seats,and i am not aware this is possible. 

I have a sportline and i personally think it is the most interesting spec for superb. Mine is all black (murdered style  ) and i love it. Those seats are far superior to those in l&k which are ordinary superb leather seats,but with nicer details. I find them a bit small (i am 192cm tall) and they offer much less suport compared to those "buckets" found in sportline. Also,sportline seats are beautyful to look at,everybody notices them (along with led ambiente lightning) . Also,alcantara is best thing as far as seat comfort goes. It is cool (even on a hot day),keeps you from sliding and looks damn good(with those diamont stich and shoulder boulsters). Only downside to alcantara is that it is more demanding to clean than leather.

Now I have made my decision and spoke with the dealer today. The car I'm going with is:

 

Skoda Superb Combi 190hp DSG L&K

- Seats changed to sportline (no extra cost)

- Black interior roof (a must with the sportline interior, 95eur)

- Progressive steering

- Black metal paint

- Heated front window and external heater with remote and phone access

 

I think thats about it, is there anything I'm totally missing here?

Edited 10 November, 20178 yr by FixxaH