As it's possible to 'download' songs via Spotify, I wondered if there was a program that converted them into a format that was readable by a device that isn't 'online'?

I pay £9.99 per month for Spotify. This allows download to Your Music on the iPod touch.

Playabe then via Bluetooth or jack plug in the car offline

The iPod Touch is still a 'connected' device though - I'm after using the downloaded songs on an mp3 player that has zero internet presence.

11 hours ago, john999boy said:

As it's possible to 'download' songs via Spotify, I wondered if there was a program that converted them into a format that was readable by a device that isn't 'online'?

 

I suspect KevBerlin's suggestion will be the only one that is legal.

 

There are a few other ways to get the music out but they would be in breach of terms and conditions.

Technically you would be committing piracy as Spotify own the licence to distribute the music - by paying the subscription, this allows you off line access, without the subscription it is basically a radio station you control.

Unfortunately the device I would have liked to have the downloaded music on pre dates any apps so Spotify wouldn't be able to be installed as the 'host' app. 

 

On a plus side though, this has just reminded me that I do indeed have a newer iPod touch (which I don't prefer) that could (maybe) allow Spotify to be installed upon.

 

TBC.....

It didn't and it isn't 

On 03/11/2017 at 17:43, BJM said:

It didn't and it isn't 

Hence the joke...

5 hours ago, Ttaskmaster said:

Hence the joke...

And how were we supposed to tell that it was a joke???

9 minutes ago, SWBoy said:

And how were we supposed to tell that it was a joke???

It you need to be told it's a joke, you probably wouldn't get it even if it was pointed out...

1 hour ago, Ttaskmaster said:

It you need to be told it's a joke, you probably wouldn't get it even if it was pointed out...

Believe it or not there are still people who claim that making copies for your own personal use is illegal, so it was impossible to tell if that's your view or not.

 

I very definitely know otherwise as my stepson is  Senior Marketing Manager for one of the major record labels...

2 hours ago, SWBoy said:

Believe it or not there are still people who claim that making copies for your own personal use is illegal, so it was impossible to tell if that's your view or not.

Really??!! OMG, what absolute dinosaurs. How could they possibly not know something as obvious as that... ? I wonder if they're still playing 78s...

Believe it or not, the law actually kept chopping and changing its mind over what was and was not illegal, to the point where many people didn't know what the deal was...

 

But in actual fact, my post knowingly referenced an archaic form of media and the law concerning it, in a post about modern digital media (itself an irony and thus the big clue that it's a joke) of Spotify, the Ts & Cs of which are on their website anyway:

"With Spotify Premium, you can download music so it’s available everywhere you go. You can listen without an internet connection and save your mobile data by downloading up to 3,333 songs per device, on a maximum of 3 different devices"....

Now that says 'premium', ie paid for - It's generally understood that you can make a single copy, for your own personal use only, of any CD that you already own, which paying for under a premium service would arguably constitute. You can also transfer a digital MP3 (or similar filetype) to a digital player for your own personal use, generally on the understanding that you have similarly paid for that digital file in the first place. You may not copy media owned by someone else, nor may you furnish someone else with an original or copy of that which you own, for their use - This is where the illegal part comes in and why downloading YouTube videos and peer-to-peer filesharing is generally not looked upon with loving eyes.

 

2 hours ago, SWBoy said:

I very definitely know otherwise as my stepson is  Senior Marketing Manager for one of the major record labels...

While they might know what is and isn't legal in terms of publishing words in newspapers, none of the guys in our marketing teams would know the first thing about the legality of our industry. That's what the Legal Department are for - They are teams of highly trained lawyers, solicitors, barristers and stuff, who are exceptionally good at asking the Engineering Department what the law actually says!!

In truth, the only sensible claim to authority on such a matter would be the actual written law.

Lol.

Whilst all very interesting, it doesn't actually solve my original dilemma.

 

 

 

13 hours ago, john999boy said:

Lol.

Whilst all very interesting, it doesn't actually solve my original dilemma.

 

 

 

In short - No. The files are Ogg Vorbis format, protected with DRM - ie encrypted - so that no other media scanner will recognize them as music files. You cannot play them with anything other than Spotify... At least not officially. 

Certainly there will be software that changes the format to MP3, but whether it breaks the encryption and whether that is in any way legal, I cannot say and I believe linking to them would violate Briskoda's terms of use.

 

What about Spotify offline? using Spotify offline

 

31 minutes ago, SWBoy said:

What about Spotify offline? using Spotify offline

 

 

Requires an internet connection for all devices listed as compatible, as well as playback through the Spotify app (which also requires being online and is thus limited to devices that can use the app)... and is a Premium service, so requires that you pay for it, as described above. Files will be encrypted and locked to Spotify app.

I have Spotify premium for £9.99 per month.

If I choose to download music onto my iPod touch it remains on the iPod.

I then can play the downloaded music offline on the iPod. Alternatively I can Bluetooth or jack plug this music into my car or onto my Bose Sound dock. 

I do not need to be online to play music from my iPod to the car or Bose.

 

Should I cancel my Spotify subscription, the same music is no longer playable offline (some kind of weird techie magic).

19 hours ago, kevberlin said:

I do not need to be online to play music from my iPod to the car or Bose.

 

Should I cancel my Spotify subscription, the same music is no longer playable offline (some kind of weird techie magic).

But you do need to be online and have a Spotify-compatible device, which the OP does not have.

 

If your music no longer plays offline, have you tried re-Syncing the iPod with Spotify?

4 hours ago, Ttaskmaster said:

But you do need to be online and have a Spotify-compatible device, which the OP does not have.

 

If your music no longer plays offline, have you tried re-Syncing the iPod with Spotify?

No. That is my point. I play already downloaded music from my iPod Touch in my car offline. 

Three weeks ago I travelled to Germany. I took the iPod Touch and played my music through the car speakers. It was all offline (no wi fi and no cellular connectivity). The purpose was to save me carrying loads of CDs.

44 minutes ago, kevberlin said:

No. That is my point. I play already downloaded music from my iPod Touch in my car offline. 

Three weeks ago I travelled to Germany. I took the iPod Touch and played my music through the car speakers. It was all offline (no wi fi and no cellular connectivity). The purpose was to save me carrying loads of CDs.

Ah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight......... yeah, sure, definitely, I get it now..... And all my points still stand!

In order to get that music in the first place, you still had to go online at some point in time with some kind of device to connect to Spotify and download that music. Where you put them once you then go offline is up to you, but again only Spotify compatible devices will play music downloaded from Spotify, without doing something illegal... and your iPod is likely a 5th generation iPod Touch or above, with iOS 9 or above and at least 100 MB free space, as described in their supported device list here: https://support.spotify.com/us/using_spotify/system_settings/spotify-system-requirements/

 

The OP's MP3 device cannot do this.

If your downloaded music no longer plays, then either you need to go back online with it and re-sync, or talk to Spotify about getting a refund.

Just now, Ttaskmaster said:

Ah, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight......... yeah, sure, definitely, I get it now..... And all my points still stand!

In order to get that music in the first place, you still had to go online at some point in time with some kind of device to connect to Spotify and download that music. Where you put them once you then go offline is up to you, but again only Spotify compatible devices will play music downloaded from Spotify, without doing something illegal... and your iPod is likely a 5th generation iPod Touch or above, with iOS 9 or above and at least 100 MB free space, as described in their supported device list here: https://support.spotify.com/us/using_spotify/system_settings/spotify-system-requirements/

 

The OP's MP3 device cannot do this.

If your downloaded music no longer plays, then either you need to go back online with it and re-sync, or talk to Spotify about getting a refund.

I think you got it sorted there old boy. I recall finding my iPod Touch as a supported device.

I thought I was going round the twist for a while.

Nice one.

Best wishes

TBH, I would do the very thing I cannot post about, precisely because it's all off-line once you load the device up.... but also because I'm still used to CDs.... and because I hate being tied to proprietary stuff.... but mostly because I *hate* Apple iProducts and their iGeneral iMentality!  :lol:

Most apps these days give you a limited time disconnected. Amazon Prime lets you download and for a period of time everything will work without talking back to base (think it's a week).

 

I don't use Spotify but I'd assume something similar.

 

If I buy digital music through Amazon it's mine, they will make it available DRM free and I can store and use it permanently on any device I want (there may be legal caveats I'm overlooking).

 

If you want to extract music from a stream, you can use something like a software sound card which will intercept the audio signal and let you 'tape' the music.

 

Bearing mind that recording a stream is recording a 'broadcast' and different rules apply for that than for recording music you already own on CD etc.

 

i.e. it's not legal to record a broadcast for retention.

2 hours ago, Aspman said:

Bearing mind that recording a stream is recording a 'broadcast' and different rules apply for that than for recording music you already own on CD etc.

i.e. it's not legal to record a broadcast for retention.

And as well all know, "Home Taping is......"

Edited 9 November, 20178 yr by Ttaskmaster