Rejected diesel back up for sale warning

[john999boy]

Just thinking that maybe this thread appears to have run its course unless people move back into 'Briskoda' mode. 

[Guest]

Totally agree john. 

[Auric Goldfinger]

19 hours ago, john999boy said:

Just thinking that maybe this thread appears to have run its course unless people move back into 'Briskoda' mode. 

 

Please don't close the thread Just yet John, I've ordered more pop corn, it's coming tomorrow, tons of the stuff.......................

 

 

Edited 15 September, 2018 by Auric Goldfinger

[rum4mo]

I don't like pop corn, Maltesers are okay for me, ta!

[silver1011]

On 12/09/2018 at 12:18, Estate Man said:

The point being that all information about the cars history is available to anyone that requires it.

 

This simply isn't the case, at least in my experience.

 

As alluded to earlier, Skoda UK's response and therefore that of most of their franchised dealer network is often 'sorry, no can do', even more so if the service history is from other retailers.

 

Those dealers that are a little more willing when a request is made for a car's 'history' will provide you with just that; service history i.e. oil changes.

 

I'm not sure what dealer's you're using, but it would seem to me that your close relationships with them and their staff is behind their greater willingness to provide the information that would help to identify a lemon.

 

I'd be highly surprised to hear of a dealer actively promoting, or not going out of their way to deny access to, information that would hinder a sale i.e. the repeated repairing of mechanical or electrical defects under warranty such as the car identified in this thread.

 

 

[rum4mo]

I think that the general plan was to damped down this thread, though what some people are saying in connection of this sort of thing rings true, so maybe someone who feels strongly should start another thread with absolutely no connection to this one's opening posting, and air their person experiences of buying a used car?

 

I have always, maybe wrongly, been of the opinion that traded in cars are moved around the country, ie into a "pool" for many reasons including losing/disconnecting from their history - ie into new territories well away from where they were traded in.

 

I have traded in a couple of good cars and they turned up again locally, bought a supposedly "surrendered" car from the supplying dealer and my own car was bought from its original supplying dealer, but I've traded in a few not brilliant cars and they were moved away from my area.

 

Now some of that could be due to supply and demand.

 

A house is typically the biggest item we ever buy, and that should come with all site/plot plans covering utilise connection routes, and should come with all alteration details including planning permissions and completion certificates and recertifying of any electrical and gas works, I'd also add in any initial rejection and snagging work and how that returned it to what it should have been - but that does not seem to be set in stone yet.

 

Likewise, as the second biggest for most, or the biggest item for some that we ever buy, and like a house do tend to have a life after we have owned them for a period, should also come with delivery, service, warranty repair, post warranty repair history, it just makes sense, and add to that any details of rejection and proof of rework being carried out to bring it back up to standard.

 

Maybe any lender should have an interest in this sort of thing, though I'd doubt if they can be bothered with any of this stuff.

Edited 17 September, 2018 by rum4mo

[Guest]

silver, I don't have any close relationship with any dealers. Yes, I know many ex-colleagues who are motor technicians, some of whom I trained years ago but they work at VW or other franchises. None of my dealings with either buying, selling, or rejecting any cars has been influenced by any relationship I have or do not have with any dealers. Indeed I threatened to sue my Skoda dealership because they were proving troublesome at one time during my rejection of my new car. I'm retired early and rarely go into a dealership these days except for service to my own cars. Or, if as I've been doing recently, to aid other Briskodians to help them with issues experienced at their local dealers...which in the main has been down to poor communitcation with the dealer. Not because the dealers is trying to rip them off or anything like that. The one most important thing anyone should do when dealing with your dealer is to be VERY CLEAR about what is wrong or needing to be done. Then listen carefully to what you are told. Many many people just don't do that and get surprised when things don't go the way they were wanting them to. 

 

I simply don't recognise the issue you are having with not being able to get a cars history, unless of course you are talking about an older car that had a handbook that needed to be stamped. If that is missing it MAY be more difficult if you cannot  get the commissioning dealer and the dealer who has been looking after that car to tell you about it. They certainly won't be able to give you printouts of the work carried out as it would mean printing out invoices relating to the last owner which is in breach of the data protection act. But they are allowed to tell you what jobs have been carried out, if they have that information on that older car.  Older cars do not have an online history available (mostly).  But relating to cars with the online history which is what we were talking about here, I, and no one that I know has ever had any issue at all getting their service history, which will include a detailed printout of the cars full history concerning jobs done. I have several on my desk now in front of me that were obtained by fellow Briskodians, easily by just phoning THEIR DEALER! NOT Skoda Uk who do not normally keep this information for public consumption. They may have some information about whether a car has had a new engine or whatever, but it's normally not something they give out. It's down to the supplying dealer to do that. He can find out for you quite easily with a phone call. If that doesn't happen you need to question them to find out why not. But it's alway the dealer you must speak to. Now some dealers may not be able to easily access the history of the vehicle if it has not been supplied and looked after by them but it should be availabe still and I've repeatedly obtained it on several vehicles just recently before I started work on them. It may require a bit of digging by the dealer to get it or you may have to take it upon yourself to do so but it's there as I've repeatedely found out. Many folks who claimed they could not get it seemed surprised when I just made a phone call and got the information sent to me. Why?

 

Anyhoo...I'm out of here now. Hope you are all enjoying your cars. 

 

Bye for now.

 

 

 

 

[silver1011]

Prospective purchaser: Can I please see the cars service history?

 

Dealer: It has full service history.

 

Prospective purchaser: Can you please share the detail.

 

Dealer:

 

- 01/01/01, 10,000 miles. Interim service.

- 01/01/02, 20,000 miles. Major service.

- 01/01/03, 30,000 miles. Interim service and brake fluid change.

 

Prospective purchaser: Has the car undergone any work outside of regular servicing?

 

Dealer: (at a moral crossroad) No, not that we're aware of. We've had another enquiry on this car this morning with a viewing booked for tomorrow, don't miss this  oppprtunity. 

[Ootohere]

Some are taking the pith here, see no evil, hear no evil, and say no evil.

Always buy those clothes peg or lucky white heather or your luck with the cars you buy might not be that great.

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/344641-query-6-speed-tiptronic-gearbox-on-petrol-16-16v-fabia

 

 

[Guest]

Well just to be clear Offski (my stalker apparently) in case youi haven't gleaned it from reading my post that you link pointlessly to, there was no fault with my gearbox. It was a temporary glitch caused by some crap from it's previoius life and again caused by the previous owners only doing 9800 miles in 3 years. OIl never ever got even warm so it emulsified, temporarily affecting a hydraulic valve. 

[Ootohere]

I was reading a post about a 1.6 petrol Tiptronic and was going to suggest as i did before that maybe you knew about them, being a tech, knowing techs then i thought 3 years ago he was asking here because somehow the tech friends with years of VW experience were obviously not to hand.

If that is stalking or trolling then sorry you think that.  Just wondered were all the stripping of DQ200's you have done came from since.

[Guest]

Main issue was unfamiliarity with the tiptronic characteristics Offski. No good asking my mates either as almost no one touches the VAG tiptronic boxes and haven't done so for sometime. As you can see, the guys on here were extremely helpful in confirming some info. Skoda dealerships don't normally undertake anything other than oil change services on torque converter boxes if required (they are sealed for life units but don't take any notice of that!). Stuff like changing out the electronic hydraulic valves (a £3k job) is considered too specialist by many Skoda dealerships and they simply don't have the tools or training. Unlike the dsg boxes tiptronic boxes are are in the minority these days. My own scan of the car showed no faults or slippage but I couldn't see the gearchange spacing information that was causing me concern. As for the dsg boxes, as you no doubt know from your scanning of my posts from yesteryear I work periodically at my nephew's dealership mentoring his trainees and in the process have worked on the dreaded Vrs replacing clutches, gearboxes and have stripped a couple in the last year or so. Very good boxes actually. Not being a VAG trained tech I got a VAG master tech to take me through the setup procedure in the flesh. Surprisingly easy as it turned out. Not an autobox tech myself actually. The dsg came in long after I left the business.