15 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Must have scraped the barrel to find two good points 

 

12.5K for a 4 year old oil burner. Would have snapped their hands off! Way OTT or the car you are after is. . My little over  half as old  (desirable?) 2016 VRS 230 SE Estate with the same mileage has been valued at £13290! Was nearly £28K . Thats about £6.5k per year lost.

Yeh sure. Amazing all these Skoda owners withe in depth knowledge of BMW 's and that every one says they are CRAP, amazing, wonder why.

4 minutes ago, logiclee said:

Owned F20 that had quite a few issues from new.

 

Ended up with two different f30's to use for over a month.

 

The f30 having more legroom than an Octavia? No way. The longtinudinal layout means you share the footwell with the gearbox. One of the f30's was a manual, due to the cramped footwell the pedals are offset and that gave me back ache every time I drove it.

 

Build quality is nothing to write home about. Our f20 was in for replacement seats due to rust and this was an issue on the f30. As well as the easily scratchable silver trim, brittle lower plastics and the plastic seat backs. Oh and flaking exhaust tips and rattles.

 

The BMW does have nicer driving dynamics and the ZF gearbox is the best available but the N47 2.0Diesel sounds like it's from an old transit van.

1 series isn't what we were talking about? And the 3 series has far more leg room for the driver than an Octavia, I drive both.

1 minute ago, teescom09 said:

1 series isn't what we were talking about? And the 3 series has far more leg room for the driver than an Octavia, I drive both.

 

If you read my post I had f30's for over a month.

 

f30, clutch is offset to the right. There is no way I could own an f30 manual.

 

Octavia footwell much wider

 

 

1 minute ago, logiclee said:

 

If you read my post I had f30's for over a month.

 

f30, clutch is offset to the right. There is no way I could own an f30 manual.

 

Octavia footwell much wider

 

 

Must be the way you sit, I find the peddles of the VRS offset and a hell of lot closer to you as the picture you posted confirms!  Every tester, expert etc etc always without question rates the 3 series driving position and dynamics second to NONE in its class, let alone an Octavia  nowhere near it's class. Only time I have ever heard such comments, oh its people defending their Octavias ..... 

 

And just look at the difference in  those interiors, although poor spec BM ,speaks for itself, the Skoda is the best by far isn't it, isn't it?

@logiclee well documented that BMW manuals have offset pedals. I had a manual F20 120d and it did my head in. Just felt wonky being behind the wheel. 

 

Autos are much better, the pedals are still slightly offset but you just don’t notice as there’s more room to play with only having two to fill the gap! 

28 minutes ago, GoneToBeemer said:

@logiclee well documented that BMW manuals have offset pedals. I had a manual F20 120d and it did my head in. Just felt wonky being behind the wheel. 

 

Autos are much better, the pedals are still slightly offset but you just don’t notice as there’s more room to play with only having two to fill the gap! 

 

Yep agree our f20 was auto and so was one of the f30's we had.

 

An f30 auto I could easily live with but not the manual.  The transmission tunnel is that wide the clutch rest is where you would naturally expect the clutch to be. 

 

The steering wheel is central to the seat but the pedals are set to the right which means you sit twisted.

 

The one series manual is very bad. The clutch is nearly central to the steering wheel.

 

 

Lee

Edited 13 November, 20187 yr by logiclee

56 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Yeh sure. Amazing all these Skoda owners withe in depth knowledge of BMW 's and that every one says they are CRAP, amazing, wonder why.

No knowledge of BMW's me owned 2 with my own money for 3years 6months and 35,000 miles had to pay the exorbitant servicing costs (based on most BMW's being company run).Both were petrol manuals and agree about the offset pedals leading to backache particularly on longer journeys. They are basic compared to Skoda's and only recently have they had touchscreen infotainment.

Also well documented about vag offset pedals! Especially Audi. Now Ive had many of all discussed and you know what it makes not a jot of difference to me, as I don't feel they are offset, definitely not the BM but I drive a DCT and had E46 E39's etc. The F30 3 series is just a lovely driving position with exceptional seats and comfort to almost everyone else (unbiased)  you ask or read. My VRS seats have little support and after 38k are soggy. I cannot after all this time get totally comfortable, you just cannot get the right distance from the steering wheel to match the pedals and gear lever, always a compromise. If your a  short arse that will not be a problem, but it is to me and nearly as bad as the French cars I stupidly owned which also always  had this problem. 

 

This post is so funny and silly. I initially thought my VRS was the best value the universe had seen. Even comparing it in perceived quality as not a million miles away from my new at the time A6 Quattro. I learn't though after the miles clocked up that the actual quality is average at best, some poor.  The VAG sourced parts make an overall very good car, MBQ chassis, Engine, Gearbox, brakes, steering, fancy (brilliant) diff etc. The economy is very good, although short of Skodas claims by a considerable margin than my other makes.. But some of the trim, paint and materials used, which I suspect are sourced locally sourced, are about as bad as any car these days. But all cars are decent including Dacia. If you had any experience of 70's 80's cars you will be aware of poor quality. Became obvious to me the reason they are cheaper than the equivalent Golf or Audi, not just because of the badge. The interior of my VRS looks like it has done 80k in places. Carpets are poor quality, gear knob leather has worn through, some plastics are dreadful, seats have lost support, even the suspension has softened, was going to put 18" on because it was harsh , not now......    It's only done 38K! My previous Audi's and BM's and Fords and even Vauxhalls! were still like brand new at that mileage.

11 minutes ago, shyVRS245 said:

No knowledge of BMW's me owned 2 with my own money for 3years 6months and 35,000 miles had to pay the exorbitant servicing costs (based on most BMW's being company run).Both were petrol manuals and agree about the offset pedals leading to backache particularly on longer journeys. They are basic compared to Skoda's and only recently have they had touchscreen infotainment.

Again only on here, no road tester or owner has ever complained about this that I know of anyway. Servicing is probably cheaper than Skoda, you'd be going some to need more than two oil services in 3 years

Edited 13 November, 20187 yr by teescom09

1 minute ago, teescom09 said:

Also well documented about vag offset pedals! Especially Audi.

 

 

Audi A4 and above have longitudinal platforms that have gearbox intrusion into the footwell space exactly the same as BMW so you get smaller footwell's and offset pedals the same as BMW.

 

All current Skoda models have a transverse layout so no engine or gearbox intrusion into the passenger area.

1 minute ago, logiclee said:

 

 

Audi A4 and above have longitudinal platforms that have gearbox intrusion into the footwell space exactly the same as BMW so you get smaller footwell's and offset pedals the same as BMW.

 

All current Skoda models have a transverse layout so no engine or gearbox intrusion into the passenger area.

So what, who gives a toss about that ? The BMW is still far more comfortable and better driving position to almost everyone that doesn't have a Skoda it seems. So all of your motoring experts and press and so on are wrong for the last 40 years are they? 

6 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

no road tester or owner has ever complained about this 

 

Knock yourself out.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=hzbrW8uKG4nRwQLQip_IAQ&q=bmw+offset+pedals&oq=bmw+offset+pedals&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30k1l6j0i67k1.4502.6301.0.6728.7.7.0.0.0.0.108.629.6j1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.7.625...0i20i263k1.0.3oR-2vPKxq0

1 minute ago, logiclee said:

 

Knock yourself out.

 

https://www.google.co.uk/search?ei=hzbrW8uKG4nRwQLQip_IAQ&q=bmw+offset+pedals&oq=bmw+offset+pedals&gs_l=psy-ab.3..0j0i22i30k1l6j0i67k1.4502.6301.0.6728.7.7.0.0.0.0.108.629.6j1.7.0....0...1c.1.64.psy-ab..0.7.625...0i20i263k1.0.3oR-2vPKxq0

Almost Nothing there, apart from mostly 15 year old cars and again so what, millions of others don't have any issues whatsoever? The Octavia very shallow foot well is a far far bigger problem to me. I am 100& comfortable in a F30 never 100% in my VRS, ????

1 minute ago, teescom09 said:

So what, who gives a toss about that ? The BMW is still far more comfortable and better driving position to almost everyone that doesn't have a Skoda it seems. So all of your motoring experts and press and so on are wrong for the last 40 years are they? 

 

Forgive me for sounding like a wind up merchant, but trying to win an argument about Skodas vs another car manufacturer on a Skoda forum is a bit of a losing battle.

 

We'll all give you an honest view as we've got a lot of experience with cars, Skodas and many more.

Just now, tunedude said:

 

Forgive me for sounding like a wind up merchant, but trying to win an argument about Skodas vs another car manufacturer on a Skoda forum is a bit of a losing battle.

 

We'll all give you an honest view as we've got a lot of experience with cars, Skodas and many more.

Its fun though! 

 

Why would I want anyones view? I have a fricking VRS had it for 2.5 years !

4 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Almost Nothing there, apart from mostly 15 year old cars and again so what, millions of others don't have any issues whatsoever? The Octavia very shallow foot well is a far far bigger problem to me. I am 100& comfortable in a F30 never 100% in my VRS, ????

 

Good for you. 

 

For others, the opposite.

 

Manual f30's are an ergonomic disaster, ask any physio, your legs should be inline with your arms and body.

 

BTW we VT'd our £30k BMW due to poor build and shockingly bad dealer service. 

Edited 13 November, 20187 yr by logiclee

Just now, logiclee said:

 

Good for you. 

 

For others, the opposite.

 

Manual f30's are an ergonomic disaster, ask any physio, your legs should be inline with your arms and body.

You need to try harder, don't think BMW will be panicking at a handful of biased options on here.  Lets me understand this, the BMW 3 Series is basically crap is what you're saying. The pedals are unreachable unless you sit sideways 

Just now, teescom09 said:

You need to try harder, don't think BMW will be panicking at a handful of biased options on here.  Lets me understand this, the BMW 3 Series is basically crap is what you're saying. The pedals are unreachable unless you sit sideways 

 

I'm saying the pedals are offset which in a manual is an issue. I spent enough time on BMW forums in my three years of ownership to know that it is a problem for many whether you chose to ignore that is up to you. But this forum is not just about you is it, others can be informed to see if it is an issue for them. 

The photos in this thread above are clear enough for others to decide.

 

I did not say BMW's are crap. I spent a lot of money on a £30k premium product, the car and the ownership experience did not live up to my expectations. 

 

For example seats in a new car,

 

And the numerous other issues I had.

 

I've had many VAG cars and have had issue but have always been treated fairly and my issues were sorted. I always got the impression from BMW that I hadn't paid £100k so I didn't really matter.

 

 

Seeing as I have never even noticed this offset thing in a BM etc I thought I would go and check for myself. You know something the difference between the F30 and Octavia is tiny. Probably explains when I get from one to the other I  don't notice anything. The VRS wheel is in between the brake and clutch with the accelerator way off to the right, offset, the pedal you constantly have your foot on! The BMW the Brake is still slightly to the right of the centre of the wheel but if it had a clutch the wheel centre would be very slightly offset, but the clutch will still be slightly to the left. The accelerator the one that matters is about the same distance to the right. Very small difference, hence I had never even noticed.

 

On the space in the rear, well a shock  about that too, with my seat set for me and if anything the BMW seat is further back than the VRS the rear passenger knee room is very similar. And also that tiny boot!

11 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

I'm saying the pedals are offset which in a manual is an issue. I spent enough time on BMW forums in my three years of ownership to know that it is a problem for many whether you chose to ignore that is up to you. But this forum is not just about you is it, others can be informed to see if it is an issue for them. 

The photos in this thread above are clear enough for others to decide.

 

I did not say BMW's are crap. I spent a lot of money on a £30k premium product, the car and the ownership experience did not live up to my expectations. 

 

For example seats in a new car,

 

And the numerous other issues I had.

 

I've had many VAG cars and have had issue but have always been treated fairly and my issues were sorted. I always got the impression from BMW that I hadn't paid £100k so I didn't really matter.

 

 

Ah that explains it, your bitter, could have saved a lot of time. Iv'e been bitter with everyone one of them at some point, I wouldn't have anyone else to go to!!

10 minutes ago, logiclee said:

 

I'm saying the pedals are offset which in a manual is an issue. I spent enough time on BMW forums in my three years of ownership to know that it is a problem for many whether you chose to ignore that is up to you. But this forum is not just about you is it, others can be informed to see if it is an issue for them. 

The photos in this thread above are clear enough for others to decide.

 

I did not say BMW's are crap. I spent a lot of money on a £30k premium product, the car and the ownership experience did not live up to my expectations. 

 

For example seats in a new car,

 

And the numerous other issues I had.

 

I've had many VAG cars and have had issue but have always been treated fairly and my issues were sorted. I always got the impression from BMW that I hadn't paid £100k so I didn't really matter.

 

 

 

That looks like the behind of my dash board on the Octavia. No doubt had something to do with the electrical problems with fuse box and can bus behind it. I think the excessive condensation is what caused the rusting. Skoda weren’t helpful and now it’s someone else’s problem. 

3 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

Ah that explains it, your bitter, 

 

I'm certainly not bitter. My money is hard earned and when buying an expensive depreciating asset that sells itself on being premium I expect a certain level of service.

 

If the manufacturer falls short on the product and the service then they don't deserve that money again. It's as simple as that. 

 

One of my Skoda's has been less than perfect too but the dealership have bent over backwards to help. Yes I'll buy again from them.

 

 

And the pedals....  

3 minutes ago, teescom09 said:

And the pedals....  

 

 

If you follow the centre of your steering column down from the BMW badge that is nearly where the clutch pedal would be.

 

So bring your left leg over to the centre and operate a clutch.

 

And that is what causes issues for some on smaller longitudinal engined cars like the 1 series, 3 series and A4/A5 with manual boxes.

Very little difference at all. I notice my  right foot is way to the right on both. But worse my knees are wrapped around the steering wheel very uncomfortably on the Skoda due to the peddles being  too close to the wheel, that is uncomfortable and much more of an issue to me. Had same problem with nearly all French carrs.