14 minutes ago, Tezaman said:

. My friends  latest YETI 1.5l TSI Engine Failed , started to burn oil. 4.000 Euro to fix the engine...

 

 

Yeti does not come with a 1.5tsi engine

My bad 1.8L , 

Edited 13 December, 20187 yr by Tezaman

 

29 minutes ago, Offski said:

Vorsprung Durch Technik.  

The thing is that 4 years of reliability is about 4 years of 1.0TSI's.    VW reset the clock, they have fitted Gasoline Particulate Filters and new engine management to get through the WLTP with the emission figures they required and filled the engines with VW508/509 oil, so 0w 20 FS LL.  

It will all come out in the wash eventually, lets hope they advanced through technology. 

 

PS

Ford were doing so well with 1.0 Ecoboost,  sold like crazy for years, all was well until it went a bit Pete Tong....

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-46180703

http://bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45628325

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I dont understand , what are you trying to tell me ? 

i am a sucker that i chose the 1.0l ? and eventually my engine will fail? 

 

In the link you send me say that Others have reported their cars with 1.6-litre EcoBoost engines have burst into flames while they were driving.

So The same goes for 1.5L TSI , isnt it????

 

 

As i said if its writen , its gonna happen , wherever engine you have

Edited 13 December, 20187 yr by Tezaman

Tell me really, do you believe , that Skoda or VW or whatever will not do anything for thousands of buyers after say 10 years if something goes wrong? 

I dont think that car industry will not be sceptical with this stuff

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/lifestyle/cars/car-news/ford-ecoboost-failure-refund/

 

Eventually if something goes wrong , there will be recall campains  even if the warranty is over.  

 

None of the car makers wants a model to mass failed over time. this will be a dissaster for a variety of reasons

What i am saying is that 1.0TSI's do just fine, especially with a DSG.

Things seemed all good and then the WLTP approval was required and changes were required and in a year or 3 we will see if all is still well.

 

If there are snagging issues as long as VW Group own up, deal with them promptly then all will stay well.

If they go into denial as with some 1.5 TSI pre WLTP or even post WLTP if they have issues then that will not be so good.

 

PS

Were there Service Campaigns, Recall Actions or Recalls for 

Euro 5 1.2 TSI Timing Chain Issues,. 1.4 TSI Twincharger Oil Users, or 1.8 / 2.0 TSI engine failures?

Are they dealing with the 2009-2015 DQ200 DSG's failing out of Warranty? 

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/266114-18tsi-and-20tsi-engine-failing

http://briskoda.net/forums/topic/315115-service-campaign-dq200-dsg-oil-changeecu-update-fabia-in-uk/?page=8

 

 

Edited 13 December, 20187 yr by Offski

4 minutes ago, Offski said:

What i am saying is that 1.0TSI's do just fine, especially with a DSG.

Things seemed all good and then the WLTP approval was required and changes were required and in a year or 3 we will see if all is still well.

 

If there are snagging issues as long as VW Group own up, deal with them promptly then all will stay well.

If they go into denial as with some 1.5 TSI pre WLTP or even post WLTP if they have issues then that will not be so good.

 

PS

Were there Service Campaigns, Recall Actions or Recalls for 

Euro 5 1.2 TSI Timing Chain Issues,. 1.4 TSI Twincharger Oil Users, or 1.8 / 2.0 TSI engine failures?

Are they dealing with the 2009-2015 DQ200 DSG's failing out of Warranty? 

 

What can I say we are all victims. 

Excuse me for my tone

No,

just buyer beware and in Gods we trust and with VW Group if they tell you something and shake your hand then count your fingers and check your watch is still there.

39 minutes ago, Tezaman said:

Tell me really, do you believe , that Skoda or VW or whatever will not do anything for thousands of buyers after say 10 years if something goes wrong? 

I dont think that car industry will not be sceptical with this stuff

https://inews.co.uk/essentials/lifestyle/cars/car-news/ford-ecoboost-failure-refund/

 

Eventually if something goes wrong , there will be recall campains  even if the warranty is over.  

 

None of the car makers wants a model to mass failed over time. this will be a dissaster for a variety of reasons

 

A very naive view indeed, this is VAG we are talking about.

 

Manufacturers (Vauxhall, Ford) only move when faced with overwhelming publicity in national papers and the tv, and when cars literally burst into flames and then it takes dozens or hundreds of burnt out cars and possibly a fatality or two.

 

And then there's VAG........

 

Never count your chickens before they're hatched.....

 

Just when you thought it was safe to go back into the water....

 

We've never seen that problem before sir...

 

Its a characteristic .....

https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/vauxhall/zafira/93176/vauxhall-zafira-fires-over-31000-cars-from-original-recall-still-not-fixed

 

No compensation if your car caught fire and burnt out though, talk to your insurer sir...

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-45628325

 

https://www.driving.co.uk/news/bmw-risked-customers-lives-by-failing-to-recall-thousands-of-cars-inquest-told/

6 hours ago, Offski said:

What i am saying is that 1.0TSI's do just fine, especially with a DSG.

Things seemed all good and then the WLTP approval was required and changes were required and in a year or 3 we will see if all is still well.

 

 

This 'unknown' situation now developing is a worry...…..a recent test drive in a 5 month old 1.0 DSG Karoq was enough to convince me the small engine is sufficient for my needs but laying the money down on what might turn out to be a seriously hampered and or throttled WLTP power unit takes a leap of faith I'm not sure I have...……..

Edited 13 December, 20187 yr by Berisford

2 minutes ago, Berisford said:

 

This 'unknown' situation now developing is a worry...…..a recent test drive in a 5 month old 1.0 DSG Karoq was enough to convince me the small engine is sufficient for my needs but laying the money down on what might turn out to be a seriously hampered and or throttled WLTP power unit takes a leap of faith I'm not sure I have...……..

We've had ours 9 months and after two 1.2 DSG Yetis have no concerns. But there's usually only the two of us and our days of using up capital on cars are gone. I'd rather any issues become someone else's problem.

1 minute ago, Michael G said:

We've had ours 9 months and after two 1.2 DSG Yetis have no concerns. But there's usually only the two of us and our days of using up capital on cars are gone. I'd rather any issues become someone else's problem.

 

I'm sure I'd be more than happy with the 1.0 motor, it's the effect the WLTP revision might have had on the units being manufactured / made available to order from this week that worries me.....test driving a 1.0 today isn't necessarily the power unit that will be in the motor when eventually delivered, if you get my drift.

 

Have the 1.0 engines always had the particulate filter fitted or is that an addition as from now? 

15 minutes ago, Berisford said:

 

I'm sure I'd be more than happy with the 1.0 motor, it's the effect the WLTP revision might have had on the units being manufactured / made available to order from this week that worries me.....test driving a 1.0 today isn't necessarily the power unit that will be in the motor when eventually delivered, if you get my drift.

 

Have the 1.0 engines always had the particulate filter fitted or is that an addition as from now? 

Ah, OK, gotcha.

 

Pass.

 

It's stuff like this which just makes me want to rent cars in future.

From Semptember 2018 > Whats this WLTP revision all about? its a filter as i read, but what could be wrong about it

Edited 13 December, 20187 yr by Tezaman

It is a particulate filter similar to the diesel DPF it collects particles and periodically incinerates them.

Early reports suggest it may have a detrimental effect on consumption and driving characteristics.

We are really yet to get confirmation one way or the other, and effect on reliability is totally unknown.

Australian high sulpher fuels prevent the gasoline particle filter from being fitted to any petrol engine sold here.

Edited 14 December, 20187 yr by Gerrycan

13 hours ago, Berisford said:

 

I'm sure I'd be more than happy with the 1.0 motor, it's the effect the WLTP revision might have had on the units being manufactured / made available to order from this week that worries me.....test driving a 1.0 today isn't necessarily the power unit that will be in the motor when eventually delivered, if you get my drift.

 

Have the 1.0 engines always had the particulate filter fitted or is that an addition as from now? 

 

The filters were fitted from Aug (not sure of exact date), might have been slightly earlier as the revised Fabia gained GPFs and that was in the summer.

 

Not sure what the WLTP revision was, and I don’t think anyone has answered specifically, it may have been a remapping (but it might not).  Some people have claimed changes to pass WLTP, but this is garbage, there is no pass mark in the test, it just has to get a test result.

 

GPFs do not have an active regeneration process unlike DPFs, it is a gas superheater.  The new filter is tucked in behind the engine a few centimetres from the turbo, heats up very quickly and becomes effective seconds after starting from cold. At its core, exhaust is forced through the walls of channels blocked off at alternate ends. The trapped particulates are superheated, reduced to CO2 and, at the same time, the unwanted HC, NOx and CO are converted to small amounts of CO2, nitrogen and water.  The gases then pass to the normal three way catalytic converter in the exhaust.

 

 

 

Edited 14 December, 20187 yr by SurreyJohn

Not changes to get a 'pass' but the results from emissions and fuel consumption that the manufacturers which in the case is VW wanted for C02 g/km under testing when getting the WLTP Certification.

The 1.0TSI in the VW UP! GTI needed it's C02 g/km figure raised even with a GPF fitted.

 

They never just got away with fitting these filters and keeping the ps & Nm figures that went before, the engine management needed 'revised' to achieve the results VW wanted.

The highest 'performance' models had the wick turned down to then get the sort of emissions results that VW Group needed to have with the WLTP Certification.

Maybe less 'over fueling' (& over boost / kidology) just to get 'sporty sounding engines' & who can pee the highest figures under certain conditions & acceleration due to how they have software.

 

Just changing a GPF if needed at £35-£70 or even £105 will be no big deal if that is all that will be involved.

Not that VW Group are saying much about that, or if they are 'Fitted for life' and no need for them to stock any, and when they are required they will be on Back Order, unless actually sitting on the self at the parts department.

Like so many other 'no service schedule' fitted for life parts that tend to fail.

 

If testing and the WLTP was done using VW508 and using VW 504 might result in a 'slight deterioration in the emission values' does that mean clogged GPF's sooner?

 

A table comparing the WLTP figures for 1.0TSI 115 ps vehicles as models go up in weight might be handy.

VW UP GTI

Skoda Fabia FL

VW Polo

SEAT IBIZA

SEAT Arona

VW T-Roc

Skoda Scala

Skoda Karoq

SEAT Leon

SEAT Ateca

Skoda Octavia

VW Golf  

 

Audis. 1.0TFSI @ 116ps.  A1,A3, Q2....

Edited 14 December, 20187 yr by Offski

Thanks @SurreyJohn for the tech info.

As I said before we don't get gpf in Aus but it is hard to imagine the way I drive around town that it would get up to the required temperature without some sort of extra fuel burnt (like dpf)?

?

What type of filter and manufacturer by who have VW Group gone with?

 

 

 

 

4 hours ago, SurreyJohn said:

 

Some people have claimed changes to pass WLTP, but this is garbage, there is no pass mark in the test, it just has to get a test result.

 

 

VAG had problems with the upper limit for NOx emissions required by Euro 6d temp. So yes there is a pass mark.

Well, any WLTP re-mapping consequences aside, I've put the money down today on a 1.0 DSG SEL with a few extra toys. Should be here (fingers crossed) sometime in late March.

Didn’t think they did an SEL with the 1.0 engine - not according to “build your own” on Skoda website anyway.

 

9 hours ago, TheGardener said:

Didn’t think they did an SEL with the 1.0 engine - not according to “build your own” on Skoda website anyway.

 

 

It’s been off the ‘build your own’ page for a while now but a dealer called me Wednesday to say it was back on their Skoda ordering page.......of my extras the only ‘toy’ I wanted but couldn’t have was the ‘driver select’ memory gizmo......

Having recently test driven a brand new Karoq SEL1.5 TSI DSG in a slightly hilly area, I found the 1.5 significantly better than my Yeti 1.2TSI DSG. The Karoq was only showing 2000rpm going up hill where my Yeti 1.2 TSI DSG was showing 3000rpm and up. A much better result from my point of view where we find the Yeti embarrassingly under powered driving round our home area which is hilly. The Yeti sometimes has to go down to first gear (!) just with the two of us and we aren't big or heavy. At that point the revs are around 4500 and I don't want to go any higher than that. Fortunately those stretches are short so the Yeti finds 2nd gear and I'm OK about keeping it at 4000 for the rest of the hill. I don't like it because it sounds as if the engine is screaming. That might also be due to my hearing aids! Carrying friends with all our luggage in the Yeti is not a good experience.

 

Although only 45mins, the test drive showed me that the 1.5 TSI DSG is just fine. So I am buying that same Karoq.

It's what works for you. Our needs these days, after 2 1.2 DSG Yetis, another DSG 1.0 Karoq is fine. And this is in a hilly area. But our distance touring with cases etc are probably over.

 

Horses for courses.